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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    So I started a job about 3 months ago and was really excited to start. Since that time, I've tried to learn about this place as I'm supposed to do their marketing; however, the woman who "trained" me hates all my ideas. She goes to our boss and bad mouths everything I do to him and, when I help her, she never mentions that. She talks to people like I can't hear her and then is nice as can be to my face. I just don't know what to do.

    What's even worse is she thinks she knows grammar better than I do. I have an English degree (no, I don't care about grammar and spelling as much on the internet, so pardon any mess ups. I reread everything that I write professionally.) and she's getting an Associates in Computer Graphics (I went to night school too, but there's no way I'd question a 4 year degree holding English major with comments like "a sentence can only have 23 words and a paragraph can only have 4 sentences.) She thinks my correct grammar is "too formal" because I refuse to use "you" and start EVERY sentence with "we."

    To top it all off, she's supposed to report to me, but she makes sure I know nothing about dinners, seminars, or proposals until she assigns them to me. I'm completely at a loss. She makes sure that I appear as her underling to everyone.

    Anyone have some ideas on how to help me?

     
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    SoonToBeMrs.Kiss    June 11, 2011   Central Pennsylvania

    Why don't you talk to your boss about it, and see what he says?

     
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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    Our boss thinks she's the best thing since sliced bread. However, all the other high ups know she's awful, but refuse to fire her.

     
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    MissHelen    November 20, 2010   California

    Oy. That sucks.

    First, start documenting EVERYTHING. Next, check to see if your employee manual (if you have one) has a protocol for things like this (i.e: if you have an issue with someone, talk to them directly before going further). Next, talk to HR about this, or talk to her supervisor. She's creating a hostile work environment and it needs to stop.

     
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    I'd start clearly assigning her tasks IN FRONT OF your boss and blind carbon copy him and his boss on your emails.  Very effective.

     
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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    I talked to HR and was told everyone knows. How crazy is that? I wouldn't care as much if my husband wasn't laid off two weeks before our wedding.

     
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    MarzipanMrs.    June 2009   New Jersey

    Yeah, maybe talk to your boss and start out by saying that you are concerned that you are not finding out about the dinners, seminars, etc. in a timely manner and see if that opens up the conversation with your boss. It is tough though.  You risk coming off badly if you go in there and start off by complaining.  How long has this woman been with the company? Does it seem like she is well liked? Maybe everyone thinks she is a pain.  If you are her superior I think three mos. is enough time for you to be able to raise a concern to your boss if you feel like she is hindering your ability to do your job.

    EDIT: okay, just saw that your boss likes her.  I second what PPs said. DOcument everything and BCC the boss.  If problems continue I would still suggest having a conversation with your boss though.

     
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    @TheFutureMcBride:  Yikes, do your best to get along, I guess :/

     
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    stephinPA    October 29, 2010   Reading, PA

    I cannot agree with @MissHelen more!  DOCUMENT every little tidbit.  I had an incident at a former employer and documented every incident with a date and a time.  I'm very glad I did because that got person canned. 

     
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    liltwinstar    October 9, 2010   Northern CA

    Heh - I'd bring a style guide to work and when she says nonsense like "a sentence can only have 23 words" pick it up and start thumbing through it and then say something like "Huh - this MLA/Chicago/AP guide says nothing about sentence length." I feel your pain on that, though - I was told that I couldn't say "XYZ company's policy is blah blah blah" because "a company can't own something." Really? So....who owns the building we're standing in, then? (Fellow English major here).

    She reports to you and she's behaving like this?? So where do these proposals, dinners, etc come from? Maybe find that out and then direct those people to send their communications to you.

    Also, if you hear her talking about you, walk over and say "did I hear my name?" That way she'll know that you know she's talking about you.

    I'm sorry though, sounds like an awful situation.

     
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    Edina    June 2010  

    Make sure most (if not all) communication with her is in an email. My husband worked with a whack job and it came in so handy that he forced written communication on the guy (who has since been fired).

    I would just directly CC your boss instead of bcc on things you think he should be aware of. It will come across as more of a "keeping you in the loop/FYI" than "look at what this woman is doing to me!" Especially since he's a guy...unfortunately he most likely won't be impressed by what could be dismissed as chick in-fighting.

     

     
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    SouthernTulip    October 23, 2010   Georgia

    I agree with what other pp have said - all email communication if possible or when you do have a verbal conversation send her an email cc or bcc your boss and be like to follow up on our verbal conversation...or to sum up our conversation...type thing. 

    As a previous posted stated I'm a little confused if she's supposed to be reporting to you, then why are things sent to her and not you?  Is there perhaps a communication break down between her and others in the office who think she's your boss?

    Good Luck!

     
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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    @stephinPA: There's another woman who's done that for 3 years and it's done nothing.

    @Edina: It's all dismissed at chick fighting. It's so ridiculous!

     
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    JamaicaBride    May 14, 2011   Charlotte, NC

    I would also like to add that another way to make sure that you know about meetings and the like would be to send an e-mail to your group/company re-introducing yourself, explaining what your job role is, and who your direct reports are (therefore making it be known that this woman reports to you), asking that you be notified directly of any meetings, dinners, etc. so that you can better plan the workload of yourself and your direct reports.

    Also, request that your team member share her calendar with you so that you will know how her time is being used.

    Dinners, seminars, and proposals should be coming directly to you. There is no reason that she should be assigning you work. If the e-mail and the calendar sharing don't fix the problem, you may need to schedule a "come to Jesus" meeting with this employee to let her know her behavior is unacceptable. Unfortunately, I have found that it's sometimes harder to work with women than men. I have found that the direct approach usually works though.

     
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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    @JamaicaBride: I've tried nicely asking her to include me on all emails to clients or anything concerning marketing. Her response: to go crying (actual tears running down her 50 something year old cheeks) to our boss and then I was told I still "needed to learn a lot, so everything should go through her."

    Maybe I should just find a new job as I've tried basically all the suggestions or someone else has.

     
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    nyebride    nyebride  

    You've been given some great suggestions so far.  I'm sorry you have to deal with this.  The worker I speak of in my post earlier today was just ridiculous and even though I was technically his supervisor I could not do anything because my boss wouldn't let me let him go; I had no hire-fire power so getting him to do his job was a never ending task.  I got fed up after he sent a nasty email and I told her that I could no longer be his supervisor and now she is over him.  I don't know if that would be an option for you or not.

     

     
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    Oh the other thing my boss did when I got here was get access to all of my files and email.  I didn't really care for that but whatevs.

     
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    Edina    June 2010  

    @TheFutureMcBride: Yeah it sucks how it's dismissed doesn't it? That's happened to me too. It sounds like you are doing all the right things but it doesn't make it any less infuriating!

     
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    JamaicaBride    May 14, 2011   Charlotte, NC

    @TheFutureMcBride: I hate to say it...but I am going to have to agree. I am curious about why they hired you instead of promoting her and backfilling her position. Emotional blackmail obviously carries more weight than professionalism around there.

    Side note: I wouldn't have asked her. I would have compiled a list of clients and sent out an e-mail explaining what my title was and that I would be responsible for marketing, etc. and for them to contact me if they have questions, need info, etc. I would include her on the e-mail and put a little blurb in about how appreciative you are of your co-worker for helping you transition into your role (even if you didn't feel that way) and how she will be assisting you while you become acclimated to your new role. I think if you just take control of the situation and lay it out as a done deal, there isn't much she could do after the fact. Yeah she could cry to your boss, but if the clients are already informed of the change...there isn't much even he can do after the fact.

     
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    Edina    June 2010  

    @JamaicaBride: Good point. I actually assumed something like this had been done. If the clients know who to contact then a lot of the problems will start to go away.

     
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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    @JamaicaBride: That's a great idea. My question is I work at a company where we work with local, state, and federal governments on term contracts. When they want something, they email or call us, but when they don't need us, a lot of them don't want to be bothered. Also, the receptionist and she are friends, so I can't convince the receptionist to give me calls.

     
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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    I totally agree with JamaicaBride. If your boss doesn't have faith in you to do your job and won't back you up then unless you can somehow rein in this woman on your own, you might want to go work somewhere else.

    The negotiating should actually be with your boss, not this woman. You should express all of your concerns about how much authority she has and how it's affecting YOUR performance and ask your boss specifically what YOU should be in charge of. If he's willing to back you up on anything at all, then send the email to this employee and copy your boss with instruction on how she should report things to you. Document everything. Good luck!

     
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    JamaicaBride    May 14, 2011   Charlotte, NC

    @TheFutureMcBride: I would still send out the e-mail just as an FYI. It's possible that the clients don't know about you, or at least don't understand that you are actually the one in charge and not the other woman. It's also a great opportunity to give the clients YOUR contact info so that they CAN get in touch with you. There is no telling what this woman has communicated to the clients. As for the receptionist, if the clients start asking for you by name, I don't think she would be willing to risk her job by not forwarding you the calls.

    Once you have done all you can and nothing changes, then definitely consider a new position elsewhere.

     
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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    @moderndaisy: The boss tried for a day to get involved with what goes on in marketing, but he stopped caring.

    @JamaicaBride: I'm going to get a list together and talk to the managers handling each client. Maybe I can get in on the next meeting.

     
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    JamaicaBride    May 14, 2011   Charlotte, NC

    @TheFutureMcBride: I am sending positive vibes your way!! Keep us updated and good luck!!

     
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    TheFutureMcBride    August 2010   Virginia

    @JamaicaBride: I need it. I've never felt physically ill just thinking about work and never believed it could happen, but I do now. I just don't understand why women must treat each other so poorly.

     

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