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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    *Possible spoiler alert*

    This weekend my DH and I went to see the movie Immortals. If you've seen it, you'll know it's an EXTREMELY gorey movie, it's rated R. If not you can watch this video and get an idea of what kind of gore there is (*warning* this is very gorey) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdXRbR6AtJg&feature=related

    A couple and their son, who was no older than 6, came into the theatre. At first I kind of thought it was not so smart, but as the movie went on, and the more gorey it became, I sat there more horrified that this poor kid was watching what I was watching. I felt like I needed to go and cover his eyes.

    There was one sex scene. A very mild sex scene. You saw the woman drop her robes and saw her bare butt, and then you saw him on top of her, but that was kind of it. The parents made him cover his eyes for this part. However, the rest of the gore, violence, destruction and murder, that was all ok.

    The sex scene was the most calm, loving, consensual part of the whole movie. It is the ONLY part, I would let my kids see. Why is loving sex bad, but violence and killing and murder ok?? Am I missing something here?

    At the end of the movie, the kid didn't even seem phased by what he'd seen. Obviously, it's not the first time he's been subjected to such a movie.

    I enjoyed the movie, but I'm also an adult who knows it's fake, murder is bad, violence is bad, etc. That little 6 (or less) year old boy has not yet learned to distinguish between those things...

     

     
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    SleepingWithNuns    November 11, 2011  

    @.twist.: This drives me nuts with parents! I went and saw that movie for my birthday and they CUT THE TONGUE out of someone. Ummm...not something I would ever ever bring a child to see. 

    I have an aunt who lets her kids watch all of the LOTR movies (which are pretty violent if you are 10-14) and other PG-13 movies that are IMHO very violent for someone their age. He already is a hooligan who struggled when he was younger with lashing out at other family members by biting them, throwing heavy things at their head, harrassing them, etc. Then one day my aunt walks in the room to my brother playing a video game (I think it was 007) and since my cousin was watching my brother play it and beating people up in it (can't remember if there were guns in it) she went downstairs and in front of all of the extended family made a scene, started screaming how dare my dad not moniter what my 18 year old brother was playing, etc. I wanted to be like...how are the movies you let your child watch any different?!

     
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    sarahbabs    September 8, 2012   NYC, wedding in the Hudson Valley

    I completely agree with you.  When I see kids in violent movies like that, I am always appalled. I've seen kids with their parents watching slasher/scary movies, and it just makes NO sense to me.  One of my ex boyfriends like to joke that I was "sheltered" because I didn't grow up watching Nightmare on Elm Street, etc., but frankly, I'll be that.  And my kids will too. 

     
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    MissBoPeep       New England

    Yikes.  I wasn't allowed to watch rated R movies until I was 14/15, and then I was only allowed to watch them if my mom watched it first and said it was ok.  I have a 6 year old nephew and I can't imagine letting him watch something like that.  Even movies like Hocus Pocus or the Nightmare Before Christmas are too scary for him!

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    While that is not the choice I would make for my kids (9 and 4), I try not to judge the decisions other parents make. Who knows what converstion they had before and after the movie about it being fake.

     
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    Gemstone    July 2011   Cincinnati

    My jaw drops sometimes when I see little kids in R-rated movies. I'll never forget all the little kids who were in the theater with us during "Funny People." Awkward!

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    Seriously! and our society keeps saying "why are our kids so violent?? Why are they killing each other??" I think I've figured it out!

     @MissBoPeep: We have a Nightmare Before Christmas poster in the kids room, when DH's 3 year old started saying it was scary, we took it down, if a POSTER can scare a 3 year old, then I can't imagine what those kind of movies do to kids.

    @sarahbabs: I was a "sheltered" child as well, and honestly, it was the best thing my parents did for me! I now watch gorey movies when I want, but now it's my choice to make. I'm sure if I asked that kid what movie he'd want to watch, he'd pick something from Disney!

     @SleepingWithNuns: No kidding! You should have asked your aunt where she was when her son started watching the video game and why she didn't say "ok honey, stay out of that room!" or something similar.

    I seriously thought I was going crazy! I was so disgusted that this kid was sitting next to me. ugh!

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @MrsMeNow:  While I try not to judge other parents either, I have to question their before movie conversation about how letting any kid into an R rated movie is ok. As for observing them after the movie, well... they didn't really seem phased by it. and If I didn't know what I was getting into, the first sign of violence, I would have  been walking out of the theatre. They would NOT have stayed for the whole thing if they thought it was bad for their kid.

     

     
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    SleepingWithNuns    November 11, 2011  

    @.twist.:yeah, my aunt's form of parenting is yelling at them from across the room or asking her husband to take care of them. I was "sheltered" too and while I wouldn't be as sheltered as I am (not allowed to watch Doug or Rugrats even) I want to keep some innocence for my children. 

     
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    jocember    August 17, 2013   Syracuse, NY

    This is something that bothers me to the EXTREME. I'm sorry, but if a child is under 13 I don't think they should be allowed in an R-rated move (or even PG-13) period. Even with a parent. If you want to watch that stuff with them at home, fine, but it's just disturbing and disruptive for other movie-goers.

    We went to see Scream 4 when it came out, which is obviously extremely violent, and a woman walks in with a stroller AND a 4-year-old. The infant screamed and cried for half the film, and the little boy kept asking loud questions and laughing like a maniac every time someone was murdered (which disturbed me the most). Oy.

    My friend who used to work at a theater said she routinely saw people bringing young children into movies like Saw and other torture porn films like it was nothing.

    Honestly, I don't care if you talk to your child about it being fake or not. The point is, there are certain violent films that go above and beyond and stick with me as an adult with a fully developed brain. To expose your young children to that I just find absolutely irresponsible. I'm not for completely sheltering kids, but bringing them to a graphic film isn't really, IMO, the best way to open a dialogue.

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    @.twist.: Like I said, not a decision I would have made (my kids don't even watch Sponge Bob because I think the sexual references are inappropriate), but as long as their kid wasn't obviously hurt or tramatised, I try not to judge.

     
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    cbee    July 26, 2010  

    I agree.  Kids and R rated movies don't mix.  Kind of sad :(

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @MrsMeNow: Unphased because he's been desensitized.

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    @.twist.: Unfortunately true :( Now if he were crying and obviously upset I would go to a worker at the movie theater and have them be asked to leave. Until movie theaters make it so no one under a certain age can see it even with their parents, you will always have those that make questionable choices.

     
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    Mrs. Spring    May 10, 2009   California

    @MrsMeNow:  I kinda agree.  I got grounded for a month for watching an R-rated movie at 15 (!) but my husband's father started taking him to R-rated movies at like 7.  Obviously, we both turned out ok.  I think it's hard to judge on a single incident like this, though.  You can't know happened before/after the movie that encouraged the parents to make the choice they did.

    We plan on censoring what our children see/hear.  Even now, we change the radio station when an inappropriate song comes on and we don't really have the tv on when she's awake.  There's a lot of stuff that's even marketed to kids that I think is too much, so we probably lean towards the stricter side, in my house.

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    Yea... I guess my question kind of got missed in my original post...

    Sure, I can't know what made them decide to bring they maybe 6 year old son to see that movie.

    However, why is the barely sex scene bad, and the violence ok. If you're going to let him watch that kind of film, shouldn't the whole thing be fair game?

     
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    eeniebeans    October 9, 2010   Baltimore

    It is inappropriate to bring a child that young to an R rated movie.

    However, I did want to add, that as a parent of an 8 year old, there have been several instances where in our own home we watched PG-13 movies with her.  In your own home you can stop the movie and explain what is going on or if necessary skip a scene.  Examples of this might be Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade or Jurassic Park.

    Also, just wanted to point out that prior to 1984 there was no PG-13 rating- it was PG or R.  Thats a lot of material in between!

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @eeniebeans: I agree. In your own home it's a little different. In a movie theatre, you have zero control of the setting, you have no idea what's going to happen next and you can't stop it (Unless you walk out). I feel like the rating are there for a purpose (although sometimes, I think they're off a little but whatever) and people should at least abide by them somewhat...

    I also want to add, that a childs brain under the age of 6 is developing, they are not really capable of comprehending the realtiy vs. fiction in a lot of things. I think exposing them to that kind of violence and gore is taking away from their development and confusing them.

     
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    Gemstone    July 2011   Cincinnati

    Have any of you ever seen/used this site?

    www.kids-in-mind.com

    It rates sexual content, violence/gore, and profanity on a scale of 1-10 and then gives (descriptive, not explicit) examples of the kind of material in each category.

    I still use it sometimes to gauge a movie that my husband wants me to see with him. :) Seeing too much blood on-screen makes me queasy.

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @Gemstone: That is a great website!

     
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    Mrs. Spring    May 10, 2009   California

    @.twist.:  Oh, I see.  Your original question was something like, "Why cover your child's eyes during a very mild (and loving) sex scene but allow them to watch very gorey violence?"

    I think, in general, sex is a more uncomfortable subject than violence.  Personally, I'll take a sex scene over gore any day; even as an adult, I cover my eyes during really gorey parts of movies, lol. 

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @Mrs. Spring: Pretty much. Out of the whole movie, the sex scene would have been the only thing I showed my kids, and it's the only thing they made him not see. It's just kind of funny.

     
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    AB Bride    June 25, 2011   Canada

    Here, anyone under the age of 18 can't see an R rated movie, but very few movies are actually rated R.  The ratings are G, PG, 14A, 18A and R.  Immortals, for example was 18A and not R. I wish young kids were also banned from 18A movies.

    In general, I find movie ratings to be a little odd.  I had trouble getting into 14A movies as a teen sometimes (what teenager has ID with their age until they have their drivers license, I didn't usually carry my learners with me and I didn't get it when I was 14).  When I was 16-17, I could see 18A movies depending on which friends I went with.

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @AB Bride: I forget about the 18A vs. R thing. So here, that movie was rated 18A. Which, I agree, I feel like 18A should have the same restrictions as R. I guess the kid wouldn't have been allowed in if they lived in the states?

     
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    Gemstone    July 2011   Cincinnati

    @.twist.:  For rated-R movies, kids are allowed in if they're accompanied by a parent or legal guardian. They're not allowed into NC-17 (No Children Under 17 Admitted), but you hardly ever see a movie get that rating.

     
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    AB Bride    June 25, 2011   Canada

    @.twist.:  I am fine with there being different admission criteria for 18A and R movies, but in some provinces you have to be a minimum age (14ish) to see an 18A movie with an adult.  I am fine with that, it's the 10 and under kids that bother me at an 18A movie.

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @AB Bride: Agreed. I wonder what it is for alberta, I'll have to look it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if these parents snuck the kid in.

     
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    Moja Milosc    September 24, 2011  

    I think R rated movies can be too much for most young kids and can desensitize them to violence and sex, which is a problem. But I don't think seeing one or two R rated movies can change the course of a kid's life or anything. We were never allowed to watch R rated movies but I know I saw a couple at friends' houses and it didn't affect me. Movies are a lot more gory and violent now than they were when I was a kid though.

     

     
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    AB Bride    June 25, 2011   Canada

    @.twist.:  Oops, I forgot you were the OP!  Here, the 6 year old would have been allowed into the Immortals, as long as he was with someone who was at least 18.  They don't even need to be his parents.  Alberta has no age restriction for 18A movies as long as a minor is with an adult.

    Here if you have a problem getting into a movie, just grab a random 18+ couple who was in line for the movie, get them to say that you're with them and as long as it isn't R you're in.

     
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    Dandelion D    April 13, 2013   Virginia

    @MrsMeNow: A mom after my own heart! We also don't let our child watch Spongebob for that exact reason.

    I don't understand why parents expose their children to stuff like that on purpose. Why can't we just let our kids be kids and enjoy the innocence they have? Why rob them of that?

    I never really thought about it before having my own child but now I am so aware of what he sees and hears from movies, shows, music, and even what comes out of my own mouth.

     
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    Miss Apricot    May 30, 2009   Minnesota

    @.twist.: I guess the kid wouldn't have been allowed in if they lived in the states?


    Unfortunately, yes, he would have.  My mom does daycare, and it's shocking to me how many "inappropriate" movies these kids have seen.  Movies I would never let my kids see at their age.  One of the little girls is also obsessed with Twilight, (and the family plans to name their new baby "Isobella"), and about 90% of her clothing consists of Twilight and "I Love Vampires" shirts.  I'm one of those who feel Bella is a terrible role model for women, but that's a different thread.  LOL.  One family in particular, the kids have seen many/most of the movies my husband and I see, (and I would rather see shoot-em-ups than chick flicks, if that gives you any indication).  

     
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    amnystik    April 9, 2011   Texas

    @.twist.: This always REALLY bothers me! DS doesn't even see PG-13 movies... but does see SOME superhero movies. DS is 7 so most all his viewing is HEAVILY screened and some PG movies are even out b/c of the inuendos.

    DH and I are pretty heavy screeners of what we watch too though and most new rated R movies we forego just b/c we're pretty big on "what goes in has atleast some effect of what comes out" so yea.

    One of the most startling things for me now though is the previews to movies no longer have to match with the rating of the movie itself. So we can't even take DS to see a PG movie and sit through the previews b/c they can and DO show previews for rated R movies.

    I figure our kids have enough to deal with in the world their growing up in & am a firm believer in it takes a village to raise a child so I see all children as incapable of defending themselves so we ALL should step in to do so.... why can't their innocence can't be respected and PROTECTED?! grrrr lol

     
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    Miss Apricot    May 30, 2009   Minnesota

    @amnystik: One of the most startling things for me now though is the previews to movies no longer have to match with the rating of the movie itself. So we can't even take DS to see a PG movie and sit through the previews b/c they can and DO show previews for rated R movies.


    Really????  Granted, I haven't seen too many "kids" movies lately, (though I don't have a problem with it...I've seen a LOT of Disney-type movies in the theater), but I haven't seen any that didn't match the general "theme" and rating of the movie we were seeing.

     
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    amnystik    April 9, 2011   Texas

    @Miss Apricot: It's a recent change... only in the last few months. DS has movie date nights with my mom pretty often so she noticed it first... Last movie we all went and saw together showed to preview for Contagion on it! It was really disturbing knowing that it was a theater full of kids exposed to that.... DS was in the hall with my mom getting snacks and waiting till it was okay to come back in. =/

     
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    Miss Apricot    May 30, 2009   Minnesota

    @amnystik: It's a recent change... only in the last few months. DS has movie date nights with my mom pretty often so she noticed it first... Last movie we all went and saw together showed to preview for Contagion on it!


    Yeah, none of the movie releases in the last couple months appealed to me enough to see in the theater.  I want to see "Puss in Boots" for example, but it looks more like a rental to me.  MIGHT go see "We Bought a Zoo" but leaning towards that being a rental, too.

    I agree that that's way inappropriate!  I hope you complained to a manager.  If nobody complains, they will just keep doing it.  

     
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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    @Gemstone: One of my friends had parents who wouldn't let us see movies unless they looked them up there first!

     
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    amnystik    April 9, 2011   Texas

    @Miss Apricot: Actually I didn't, didn't even think to actually b/c it was announced (my mom read the article) and has to do with changes the MPAA made in their policies.

    Is it the theaters themselves that decide on what previews are shown? I have no clue.... if so then I'll DEFINITELY tell other parents here so we can say something! I thought that trailers come ON the movie reels and since the MPAA has okayed it there isn't a whole lot we can do. Either way it just goes to show how so much of our society today doesn't care about our children's innocence or our choices as parents in WHAT we allow and don't. =/

    Here's the article my mom had seen on it.

     
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    Miss Apricot    May 30, 2009   Minnesota

    @amnystik: Is it the theaters themselves that decide on what previews are shown? I have no clue.... if so then I'll DEFINITELY tell other parents here so we can say something!

    I don't think they choose the previews, but I was thinking more along the lines of, if customers are complaining to them they will either pass on the complaint, (because they don't want to lose money), or tell you you can contact such-and-such a place to have your complaint do the most good.  

    I know working retail, a lot of customers would complain about us bugging them to open charge cards, (which I HATED doing!).  Complaining to the cashiers does no good; we can't do a darn thing about it.  But if you complain to CORPORATE, maybe something will get done.  So, hopefully complaining to the theater manager would at least get you pointed in the right direction.  Going to go read the article you posted, now.

     
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    .twist.    October 7, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    @amnystik: I agree, DH's eldest watches SOME superhero movies. He's 7 as well. His mom lets him watch way more that we don't necessarily agree with, but nothing we can do about it.

    I just think kids need to be kids for as long as possible.

    I always thought I'd be a super chill parent and let my kids do as they please, but the older I get the more I want to let them just be kids forever! hahaha...

     
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    irin997    June 18, 2011   Maryland

    My DD is 10 and she has yet to see a PG-13 movie that I know of.  I do restrict some of the PG she sees as well.  For example, she wanted to see Marley & Me when it came out a few years ago but I had read about the minor sex scene and didn't think it was appropriate for a 7 year old (plus losing a dog is hard; I bawled through the book and the movie).  

     

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