NWR: Who is right?

posted 3 years ago in Career
  • poll: Who is right?
    Me : (44 votes)
    76 %
    My husband : (14 votes)
    24 %
  • Post # 3
    6977 posts
    Busy Beekeeper
    • Wedding: August 2012

    I agree with you –  people doing the same job should be paid close to the same amount (obviously considering seniority and such). I would be seriously pissed if I found out my coworker was making a ton more than me!

    Post # 4
    1360 posts
    Bumble bee

    That’s not fair. I would say less than I really wanted to make, for fear of coming off being just in it for the money. 

    Or someone could come from another country where wages are much lower, and thereby expect less. That doesn’t mean they deserve less! Agreed with you and PP; people with the same job should be paid comparatively. 

    Post # 5
    10384 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2010

    Even doing it the other way, there is often pay disparity, which also breeds resentment. Salaries are a shady business with very little transparency no matter how you slice it!

    Post # 6
    54 posts
    Worker bee
    • Wedding: April 2012

    As a former HR/Recruiter, I agree with your husband.

    A candidate gives a minimum range and an offer is made based on that range, the candidates skill set, education, and work history, and marketability. It has nothing to do with what his co-workers currently make.

    Post # 7
    381 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    I won’t say who is right, I would like to say though, that this strategy would generally put women at a disadvantage. Study after study shows that in salary/payraise negotiations, women are FAR less aggressive than almost all men, and are willing to ask for much less than most men are. There are many cultural reasons for this, women are societally told not to aggressively pursue but to BE pursued. 

    I’m not sure that that means you are right, per se, just a feminist perspective in all of this…

    It does seem to me, however, to give more money to the person who does their job better, not the person who just asked for more money. 

    Post # 8
    4138 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    I think that’s a dick move, no offense. People deserve to be paid fairly. I was a counter manager in a cosmetics line when I was in school. A co worker that managed the line next to my counter and I got to talking. They poached me from another store and promised me a raise. They didn’t give it to me. We were complaining about the pay… it came out that I was making almost $2 an hour more than this girl. She had been there for years, she had been trained professionally etc. I was new to the company, there for a month. She was livid. I don’t blame her. 

    Equal pay for equal work. 

    Post # 9
    2878 posts
    Sugar bee

    Equal pay for equal work. People tend to lower their demands in fear of not getting the job, they don’t want to sound greedy in the job interview. The process, IMO, is unfair. 

    Post # 10
    6928 posts
    Busy Beekeeper
    • Wedding: March 2012

    I agree with you.

    I remember reading that women are far more likely to ask less than men would, and by your husband’s strategy, they would earn less for the same job. I’m not saying this is always the case, just that I recall reading a few things about why women make less.

    This is one of the times I’m SO glad I work in the school system. Salary schedules are the bomb. You’ve been here 10 years and have a Masters? Here’s what you make. Wanna make more? Coach or sponsor something.

    Post # 11
    9137 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 2013 - St. Augustine Beach, FL

    @maureen0907:  Part of the reason I got a job was because I pitched the cheapest salary. They saved $20,000 by hiring me over the other candidates.

    Post # 12
    11626 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

    In my company, there is a minimum base salary for new employees.  Those who care to, or even think to, can negotiate more money while those who just want the job happily accept the base salary.  So, I suppose I side with your husband.  

    I do hiring, but I don’t do any salary negotiations – I refer potential employees to HR to hammer out that stuff. 

    Post # 13
    449 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    I think both are kind of silly. People doing the same job may not get the same pay. It’s the way it is. If you have more experience/education you will probably get a higher rate of pay. Look up any job that gives a posted salary range it will say ” salary: $x-$y DOE”.

    Post # 14
    1007 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    I think asking employees what they want gives the hiring manager a fair idea of what they think they’re worth.  And it makes sense to save the company money where possible- this is business after all.  But I do think it’s a dick move- in this market people don’t want to price themselves out of a position, and accepting one low salary (from your husband) can affect all future prospects.  I think he should determine a range for the position beforehand, compared to what other employees at the company with comparable experience are making, and then restrict himself to that range when offering regardless of what the prospective employee suggests.  

    Edit- bear in mind that everyone or nearly everyone answering here is female if you’re planning to show this to him to prove that you’re right.  Everyone knows that women are less likely to negotiate and we’re all more likely to be sensitive to the issue.  We should all take a lesson from this- know what you’re worth going in, and have an idea of the absolute minimum you need to make the position worthwhile. Unless you’re unemployed and desperate, accepting a salary below that minimum (or proposing it) undermines your worth.  

    Post # 16
    3032 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    I agree with your husband.  When that question gets asked, it’s essentially asking “what do you think you are worth?”  It’s a business and if a company can pay people less that an employee believes they are worth, then they will.  When I interview I always have a number in mind, and it’s a bit on the higher side by a 3-5k; shows I know what the average salary is in that field/area and also that I think I am a cut above them.  

    @giru618:  My dad who’s a business man use to tell me about how this is one of the reasons (not saying there aren’t a ton more) women are paid less- because they don’t negotiate wages and we are raised to be kind and grateful (aka meek) so HR says they will hire you at 5k less than the average in the field/area and a women is more likely to say yes and thank you, where as a man will respond with “I think my years of experience/training/education/knowledge of X makes me worth 5k more.”

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