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Lmao! Sock puppets! I'd never heard of that before, so your thread title cracked me up.
No problems, that's really fair, and I'm so glad we have the option of going anon :) Thanks!
... wait, the real name for it is sock puppet? Ha ha ha ha! Why on earth would someone fight with his or herself? That seems... odd.
The sockpuppet thing made me giggle - I can't imagine going through all of the trouble of doing something like that just to make people think someone agrees with me!
I think when he says retire, he means to just not keep using it. Don't log in again or something like that.
Do people sockpuppet often here? I had no idea...
@km - I can totally see someone doing that though, especially on some of the more controversial posts that have been put up anonymously - there've been a few that have turned into a witch hunt. if the OP is worried about anyone finding out it's them, they might post an opposing opinion... or even argue with themselves.
strange, but then, people tend to act weirder/more extreme under the cloak of internet anonymity than most of us would in real life!
I was hoping (and I figured it wasn't) that someone might have used their other account to discuss sock puppets. The idea cracked me up. :)
@KMSull: Mostly people create sockpuppets to agree with themself, but sometimes a sockpuppet is used to garner pity or empathy, as the sockpuppet attacks the "master" then everyone comes to the defense of that person. Sometimes that happens in a thread where the OP doesn't like the responses they're getting.
@caszos: "Retire the account" meaning simply not using it anymore, unless you have another personal issue come up. To resume using your primary account.
@LaborofLove: You would be surprised how often we see aliases here! Although mostly it happens a lot with vendors spamming the boards...
I totally agree, if someone wants to bring up a topic they are sensitive about but really want advice yet couldn't manage to post under their recognized main account I see nothing wrong with it. But I think people opening second accounts to act like bizaros is crazy! I had never heard of that but now I can totally understand that probably happens more than a regular hive member realizes.
Laides (and the few gents) let's all just play nice :)
Hehe the sockpuppets make me giggle! I never knew that was the term!
I completely agree with Mr. Bee's rules about when to use the dummy accounts and when not to. I have never seen an issue about relationships turn into witch hunts like some of the other ones have.
THANK YOU MR BEE! UHG, i was so frusturated when i saw a recent thread and saw a user make a second account to agree with herself. its enraging and decepting!
Wow. I had no idea about the sock puppet issue. And you've actually caught ppl doing that? How lame it that? I did however know about the secret identities for discussion of personal issues. Thanx for the info. ;-)
Sockpuppet- never knew that term before. You learn something every day.
I'm not internet saavy enough to create a 2nd account!! I don't even know how I created this one!
I haven't done it myself personally (if there is an issue serious enough to want to shield my identity so much, it's probably better not to post it on the internet!!) but can understand why hive members would. More and more lately it's impossible to have a dissenting opinion without having to just ignore the thread or go to bat for what you think. I was just reading about Miss Paisley's recent hard times in her relationship on the blog, and while I can understand and empathize where she was coming from, I was disappointed to see a few commenters told to be more sensitive to her feelings, when really I thought they were. Just in their own way. Everybody has that friend that just says what she's thinking and isn't it REFRESHING sometimes? While I may not agree that she should pack things up b/c he wants her to clean more, I can understand that from the posters point of view, they would have come to a different conclusion. Putting personal stuff on the web like this takes courage, but also courage to accept that not everyone will agree with you, and it's their right to feel that way. If the posts are just a narrative, they wouldn't have comments.
I do agree though that if you want a second alias to just back yourself up on a post, that's pretty lame. I think in general on topics so personal like weddings and babies, dissenting opinions cause people to get very defensive. It's people disagreeing with things you find so important. But if we can't take a step back and have a dialogue, then there are bigger problems than sock puppets!
Sorry for the rant - I really like the community but it's been a lot more... i don't know, sensitive lately?
I agree with Melissabegins. Within the past week or so, I've started ignoring entire threads that I would have otherwise felt I should comment on. It's sad, really, but I guess it is what it is.
I have also never heard of the term "sockpuppet" before. The thought also never crossed my mind that anyone would actually go so far as to create a secondary account in order to agree with themselves. I mean, if you have to create a whole other identity just to have 'someone' agree with you, then perhaps your argument isn't that solid to begin with or perhaps it's a subject you shouldn't be posting about?
This whole concept is quite shocking to me.... we learn something new everyday, I suppose. Sockpuppet. Hmm.
We very rarely ever got sockpuppets! And when we do, we shut them down right away. :-)
I'll edit the post to make that more clear... was just pointing out the exception to the "Secondary Accounts are OK if you need to post an anonymous question" rule.
Sockpuppets! It sounds like something cute. LOL!!!
Aren't you amazed by the things that actually have defined terms anymore? Sockpuppet is great, very descriptive, and I had no idea there was actually a TERM for people doing that, LOL!
heh...sock puppets!
At another forum I used to frequent, it was pretty common for people to create "alt" accounts. It was usually an account related to a specific thing- like shoes or whatever and that was all you'd post about on that account. However, it gave rise to a lot of shinanigans and spam, so I don't recommend it!
I had no idea it was called a "sockpuppet". I play an online game where there is a "sockpuppet" the guy argues with himself all the time. It's funny only about 2% of the time. I'm glad WB doesn't put up with it.
I can't believe they're called sock puppets! lol. Thank you, Mr. Bee! = D
Haha I am with everyone else on the "sock puppet" term...funny that they have a name! I totally got the mental picture of someone with socks on their hands and arguing with themselves
I have been meaning to ask this: Would there be any way to click a button or something so that if you wanted to post anonymously, you could do so without creating an extra account?
Maybe there could be two options, "Submit" and "Submit anonymously." I don't know...?
@Mitla - There's no easy way to do that now... but it could be custom programmed for you. :-)
Please post an idea here if you're interested!
@mrbee thanks for posting this!
and I love the term...sockpuppeting! :)
When I first read the definition above I thought it was a sort of like the online version of a 3way call: "So what do you guys REALLY think of twalila, isn't she such a bitch?Don't you think her dress is FUGLY??"
Ahh middle school... =)
Just wanted to chime in and say I agree with MelissaBegins and MonkeyGirl. I've been commenting less and less lately because I feel like most threads are just looking for blind agreement and not actual opinions or discussion (I'm not referencing Miss Paisley's post, BTW)
That said, I'm fine with alternate accounts to post personal issues although I don't do it myself. And I have noticed a little "sockpuppet" (hehe) action lately so hopefully that stops.
I've noticed the same thing as @hotchildinthecity, @MelissaBegins, and @MonkeyGirl. Many of the more controversial threads seem to have one accepted train of thought, and posters disagreeing with the OP are called out for being hurtful.
I know that we as a community are proud of being sensitive and accepting of all opinions, unlike some other big wedding forums. But I think there is such a thing as being overly sensitive. I, for one, find debate and frank discussion refreshing. And I do miss knowing that I will get honest opinions rather than blind agreement when I post.
I don't know how to post a second account. LOL. I am not internet savvy :( Sad face. Although I don't have anything worth posting on a second account.
I do agree that people who have a different opinion should not be attacked and that it is good to see different ideas (though I don't think that telling someone her dress is completely hideous will do anything).
Hahahahahaha DDW that is awesome! I was almost imaginging people fighting with their own hands in claw shapes as sock puppets too!
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We've gotten some questions about whether or not it's ok to create a "secondary account" to post a private question.
This has come up more often recently, as hive members wrestle with personal issues like:
This is all ok. We're honored every time someone trusts Weddingbee enough to seek counsel on some of their most difficult, private decisions.
But we do have a request: please retire a secondary account after you're done with your private question. Most of all, please don't use secondary accounts for shenanigans: namely, sockpuppetry:
A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an online community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks with or about himself or herself, pretending to be a different person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
A few quick examples:
Anyway, you get the idea - hopefully obvious stuff here (EDIT: and very rarely ever an issue on Weddingbee!). But thought we should post it and make it a policy!