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@seriouslyjoking: If she is paying, she gets more say. :( Although she probably doesn't have an idea of how much weddings can cost these days. Perhaps you can let her know what some big items cost? Then maybe she will back down. :S
@creativeplannertobee: Totally agreed. But all the say? Here's a small sampling of the say she's already gotten:
As I said in the original post, I'm trying to compromise and include her on as much as possible. But there's literally no room for additional guests -- and she won't budge an inch.
(I should also note that it was originally my plan to pay for most of the wedding, but she won't allow it.)
UPDATE: No, she knows the numbers. She's barely able to pay for what we have planned now, won't let me pay for it, and still has this plan to invite more people without apparent regard for the additional cost.
If she's paying, she has a large say in things. Sorry! This happened to my best friend years ago and I remember it being so frusterating for her and her DH. Maybe you can pay for it, if you can. Otherwise, you might have to change venues to accommodate more people.
Is it that she is going over your 85 or that you are not getting to invite who you want because she took up the 85? Can you do a spreadsheet for her to show her the cost so that she will be able to see that you can't afford it?
Just cross your fingers and hope and pray that the extended family members and her old high school friends are not able to attend. My mom called me today to add someone else to the guest list. I just told her okay and when I got off the phone I said a prayer that they wouldn't show. The issue with my wedding is space.
I don't agree with the if the parent is paying they have more say because it suppose to be a gift. To me it's just like because you are paying for college do you get to decide what college I attend and what I major in? I guess it boils down to them just being excited and proud.
Hope everything works out.
@seriouslyjoking Just read your last post, before mine. She totally sounds like my friend's mom. That sucks. Focus on your marriage and not the wedding. It helped out my friend through her wedding planning.
@mrsjjohnson2b: Right now only 30% or 40% of the guest list would be people I'd invite. The other 60% to 70% are people she wants.
And she wants to add another 30 people on top of that who would be 100% people she wants.
The college analogy is really good, though -- maybe I can bring that up to her :)
I don't really have any constructive suggestions, but just wanted to say I feel your pain, I'm in a similar boat.
I really like the suggestions others made abt showing her how much each thing cost. There are so many tiny things you would never account for in your budget till you actually have to pay for it. Eg. Cake topper, table numbers, guest book, etc etc.
Do a search for married bees' budget breakdowns, many of them post very comprehensive lists.
She won't let you pay for your wedding? So she's forcing you to have a wedding and pay for it? Is she holding your bank account hostage until the wedding is over?
Girl, grow a pair and pay for this and do it yourself. Tell her that you guys are not seeing eye to eye so you're going to decline her generous offer and pay and plan yourself. If she'd like to be included, she's welcome to do so but on your terms. What is she going to do, plan a wedding without you and just expect you to arrive?
Your other choice is to let her be crazy about this and just do what she wants while you let her plan the wedding and you just show up. If she wants to set herself up for financial ruin on a wedding that her daughter will hate, that is her business.
@zomgwut: I got go with this. I know it can't be easy trying to please your Mom but at some point the line in the sand has to be drawn.
@zomgwut: Nicely said.
OP: I really think you need to either tell your mom you will elope with out her if she doesn't back off (and do it) or wait until you can pay for your own wedding. If you aren't happy with the wedding she is throwing you then host your own wedding when you are able.
Sounds like she wants to have a party of her own. I think if she is paying she can have some say but not all. It is still your wedding. Just make sure you have who you and your FI want there too (like your friends). Don't cut out people who are important to you to make room for her friends. I would make lists of people who you really want there, maybe want there, and those that you don't feel need to be there. Maybe after giving her the list you can work something out. I had some guest list issues with FMIL. FI told her she has already had a wedding and this one is ours.
aaaaaah your post scares me!!! This is what I fear is going to happen to me and I am only at the save the dates part!!! When she gave me her list..... I said I thought we agreed to not invite these people... she said.... it will be out of town none of them will actually come.... WHAT IF THAT IS NOT TRUE? i sent out the save the dates without them (today) I am going to discuss with my dad what his thoughts are because they are paying for the wedding but.... we agreed to a specific amount for budget. My parents are not rich, but have been saving for this and I dont want them to go over budget. I am affraid my dad will just give in.... )
For you I would seriously just re-itterate the venue max. I cant believe she wants to send out her own invitations!
What I told my mom in regards to the friends from high school and 3rd cousins i have not seen in years.. is that my Fiance and I have come to a decision we dont want to be introduce to anyone at our wedding, unless it is a guest of one of our friends. We should both know everyone, since we have been together almost 6 1.2 years when we get married, if both of us have not seen.met them in that period of time they dont need to be at the wedding. this might help?
Sorry, OP, but I'm going to have to agree w/zomgwut. You said she's paying for most of the wedding. And it doesn't sound like she's being rational about this. Anyone who's tried to negotiate with an irrational person knows you can't. And because she's paying, she's got the power to make decisions. So either let her invite everyone she wants, or back out and do your wedding on your own.
It sounds like a hard situation OP. This is what I would do: you only get one wedding, so have it how you and your FI want it. Don't let her pay for it-- only have a wedding you can afford. If you reduce the guest list to people you want and only have an ice cream...the cost could definitely be doable with creative budgeting, DIY, and friendors! You want to look back and remember it as the day of YOUR dreams, not her dreams. Good luck!!
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To make a long story short: My fiance and I have selected an inexpensive, outdoor wedding venue which we really like. Its maximum seating capacity is 170, which means each family gets to fill 85 seats. This is already larger than what we'd prefer, which would be around 100 guests total.
I'm an only child, and my mom has gotten it in her head that we must invite allllllllll of our very large extended family, including -- I kid you not -- third cousins, relatives I literally haven't seen since I was 13, and a few distant family members I really dislike. In addition, she wants to invite high school friends of hers I haven't seen since I was a toddler. (I'm 23 now, and have been financially independent and moved out for over two years.)
My mom is paying for most of the wedding, and I have already made a number of compromises on both this and other issues. She will make no compromises, and even went through a brief phase of -- whenever we disagreed -- telling me out of nowhere that she thought the dress I'd picked out was ugly.
But back to the matter at hand: We're on a tight budget, but she's horrible with money and doesn't seem to understand 1. that we can't afford more than 170 guests and 2. that the venue can't seat more than that.
In fact, in her quest to ensure she gets to invite whomever she pleases, she has actually suggested that if all else fails, she will send out her own rogue invitations, hire a second caterer herself, and rent a tent + additional seating, which she will put up herself on the lawn of the venue for the extra people. As outrageous as that sounds, I honestly wouldn't put it past her to do it.
Needless to say, the whole rogue invitation plan isn't going to fly, and this ongoing guest list fight can't continue. I'm brand new here, but I'm really hoping you all have some suggestions for how to move past this successfully. I've already tried the A-list, B-list, C-list thing, which only resulted in her saying that I don't care about my family and dramatically suggesting that I just elope. Thanks in advance for your help :)