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    emilybrooke    6-26-09   Boston, MA

    Please don't share more than you want to or feel comfortable with but...

    Lately I've been really curious about why people get divorced, what issues led to divorce, etc.  I've also been very curious about the marriages that work, what tricks they have or advice they have on a working marriage.

    My parents are divorced, my fiance's parents are still happily married.  I know why my parents ended and I've talked with his parents about theirs not only working but working well.

    To those of you that are divorced (if you feel comfortable...) what happened with your marriage?  To those of you that are happily married...how do you make it work?

     

    Again, if your uncomfortable posting on this please don't but I'm just curious...very very curious.

     

    Thanks!

     

     

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    rosychicklet    September 27, 2008   Boston, MA

    EmilyBrooke- I just got married, so I can't really answer your question, but you might want to post this query on the "encore" board that just started.

    It's for women planning second weddings (for one or both partners).  They may be best to answer your questions, because they've been through a divorce and are using what they learned when choosing another partner.

     
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    mrbee    March 5, 2005   New York City, New York

    Sure, we can move this into the Encore boards. :-)

     
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    Well speaking for my FI and his ex, everything changed when his ex gave birth to their daughter.  She ignored him, and put herself completely into her daughter.  She even kicked him out of the bedroom so the baby could sleep in the bed with her!  He just felt like when the baby came into the marriage, she kicked him out.

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    My xh's company merged with another company and they moved operations to a large city.  We went from being a very very happy young couple and successful to being in our early 30's living with more money than we knew what to do with.  He changed simple as that.  We had NO problems until he became super successful because he suddenly believed he had no boundaries and was superman.  And that would include cheating as his superpower .

    He was unfaithful to me and to our son.  I consider it a FAMILY betrayal.  I won't go into detail b/c it would probably freak alot of you out the depth of some of the lies.  But I spoke with both our minister back home, a counselor he visited (and lied to) and it was the unanimous decision that I should divorce him.  When we divorced, he remarried the day after and became a father again 3 months later.  History is yet repeating itself now in his life and she's enduring even more than I did.  Oh well, you reap what you sow ya know?

    I was a good and faithful wife, good friend to him, we had a great romance, we were physically comptabile, took trips often, and wanted more kids.  When I found out, I was devastated.  He lived a double life it turns out.

     
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    Sparkles    ~*A June 2009 Bride*~   Ca

    oh my gosh. that is horrible. I am so sorry to hear that bellanga.

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    It's in the past now.  But why I am happily starting over.  Why I am celebrating this renewal and beginning so much!

    I thought I'd have been married forever.  But there was a different plan for my life.  A deeper love, and maturity to go along with it.  And there's alot of irony.  For example, I moved and built my dream home with my x.  Left it, utterly crushed with my child, and in finanical ruin (he lied about money).  I learned really quicky that money is NOT gonna make you happy since I had very little and re-entered my profession after having been a stay at home mom.   

    Four and a half years later, after I never thought I'd fall in love again..I meet my guy.  We're laughing and talking and he asks where I live (we are in large metro area).  I tell him.  I ask where he lives, and he says same general area I once lived in where the dream house was.  We talk some more and he asks where did I live in that area?  Well he lives in the SAME subdivision.  Same one.  So I firmly believe if you're a good person, love others, put others before yourself, ONLY GOOD things will come in time.  My family, friends and of course guy, know this IS NOT coincidence we met.

    All that I lost, I gained back again and more.  But I kept the faith. 

    I think what matters most is you treat others, including your spouse how you wish to be treated.  That's the secret to friendship, family and marriage.  Silly yet simple but the best advice I could give.  For if you do that, even in the face of the worst possible things happening around you, you will remain positive and the love will be returned..maybe not how you want it to, but it will happen. 

     
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    Liz.smith    May 23, 2009   TN

    I'm definitely not divorced, but my parents are. They say they got divorced basically because, to quote my mom, they were "young and stupid." They married when my mom was 21, he was 23, I was born a year and a day later. When it got tough, instead of sticking it out and working through it, they gave up. My mom has said many times that she believes they could have been very happy together if they'd just had the maturity to work through the problems. So sometimes the best tip for saving your marriage is to just not give up!

    My parents would also want me to add that the reason their new marriages have been so successful is because of their relationship's with God. I'm an atheist, so I don't feel the same, but I know their number one piece of advice would be to go to church together, pray together, etc.

    MY advice, as an engaged-person, is to read "The Five Love Languages" by Gary Chapman. I cannot tell you enough how much that book changed the way I look at love and relationships. It even helped my relationship with my mom! If I ruled the world everyone would read it!

    Thanks for starting this thread, I'm interested to see what's said!

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    I believe in the principles of Dr. Willard and Steve Harley.  In fact their advice paved the way for my friends, the encore couple, to get remarried! 

    The book "His Needs Her Needs" really needs to be in every house with married people.  Amazing truths and ways to remain connected always.  T's getting ready to read it with me.  I have practically memorized it. 

     
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    maryjane    September 9, 2009   Grand Forks, ND

    Both the marriage and the divorce happened for me because I didn't at all understand what marriage really meant. I wanted to be married young, so I married a really nice guy who I'd dated for a long while, and who asked me to marry him. I didn't think about compatibility or communication or forever, I just wanted a wedding and I wanted to be married. I didn't consider the ramafications of just how long "forever" is!! There were no lies, no deception. The divorce happened because we did not work at the marriage. We pretty much lived together, pretty much like roommates do. We went to college, we went to work. We didn't share interests (or interests in each other's interests), we didn't communicate all that well aside from sarcasm and "What do you want for dinner" types of things. it was a very passive relationship. I never wanted to be divorced, ever. But when it came down to it, working to save the marriage didn't matter nearly as much to us as going our own separate ways and finding what we really wanted out of life. Neither of us being religious, we didn't see a reason to be 'trapped' for 60 years, kept from finding true love and happiness, due to a big mistake we made when we were 22.

    In a nut shell, it sounds like we just got tired of each other and 'broke up'. Most people would consider this an unacceptable reason to divorce. 

    I am now one of those people. I wasn't then, and I am still quite glad that we're not together anymore, but I definitely now understand that a real, forever marriage takes lots of very hard work, constant communication, compromise, and honesty to make it work. It's not always easy - sometimes it sucks. But barring abuse, cheating and other "real problems", you are in it for life. You're bound together. So (from my point of view) you better be damned sure that man is the one you want, even when he belches or forgets your birthday or leaves your car's gas tank near 'E'.. or whatever it is that your specific partner does that drives you nuts. You better be prepared to work out your problems. You better be sure that (unlike me the first time around), the MARRIAGE, to THIS MAN, is what you want.. not just the wedding, or the idea of being married.

    Even though my divorce was very "easy" technically (no children/no property/no assets), and we are still friendly to each other... It was the hardest thing I've ever done. It weighed on me like nothing else. It still does, sometimes.  I don't blame my ex any more than I blame myself for what happened between us. But I never want to go through that again, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone (even in the best of circumstances). The man and I have an agreement that we will try any means necessary to work out our problems, keeping in mind the value of a solid, long-lasting marriage and its necessary ups and downs. The future is bright. :)

     

     

     
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    HistoryBride    6/27/09   Plymouth, MI

    Bump!  I'm really interested to see what people have to say about this one.

    The two most important things that I have learned from those around me: Communication and Determination.

     For my FI and I, the best thing we ever did was figure out how to tell each other everything, even the things we didn't want to.  Occasionally we have to remind each other that we've made that pact, but it's so much more direct and effective.

    As for determination, we had our very first taste of this the other day, it was both scary and enlightening.  We were both very depressed, and upset over a variety of small things.  We both lied down and had the same thought "We could just call it off ... it'd be so much easier.  We wouldn't have to fix this."  I snapped out of it a little sooner, and though I was still upset, I knew I had to put my feelings aside and fix things.  As soon as I took that first hard step, things almost immedidately fell back into place.  But things might take more work next time, and now I at least feel like I have an idea of what I'm in for.

    What else have you ladies learned?

     
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    tmarie    April 7, 2009   SFValley, So. Cal.

    Wow, what a thread. A confession bees, I am a 2 time loser at Marriage. Yet, I’m trying it again, which seems crazy even to me sometimes, but my Fiancé is so amazing and set so many of my fears right that I just can’t see being unsuccessful this time around. If he wasn’t the guy he is, there is no way I could imagine doing this again

    I married my HS sweetheart at 18 had 2 beautiful kids by 21. I went back to school at 23 a time where I knew that the things we wanted for our lives were already different. As I suspected the more I grew individually the farther apart we were. He is still a great guy, a wonderful father and a friend to me, but we know we made the right decisions to divorce after 8 years. I actually got a Christmas card this year thanking me for being the best mom and ex-wife a guy could ask for. We never lost respect for each other, just everything else!

    Then came husband 2, I was taken for a ride by a scam artist interested in being taken care of more so than he loved me. I was naïve, caught up and blinded by love, but it took me less than a year to figure it out. He was in love with the idea of me and the life that I have created, but I can truly say that he could never have done the despicable things he did, had he ever loved me.

    I would have done anything to make that marriage work, I did love him and I did not want to be divorced twice, but it’s just not something you can do by yourself it turns out. So many give up so easily, I didn’t want to be one of those.I was devastated and had lots of trust issues to work through, intense counseling while trying to save a dead marriage and then after, to lessen the scars. I read lots of books and also 2<sup>nd</sup> the 5 love languages, and will add to it “Getting the love you want” by Hendrix and “I’m right, your wrong, now what?”

    So there are going to be a million different reasons why I’m sure, but can I just say you are so very smart to ponder this before you tie the knot. It’s perfectly ok to think about the things you will not accept prior to your marriage. Yes Bee’s, there are even marriage deal breakers. A good thread if you ask me, I’ll start!

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    maryjane    September 9, 2009   Grand Forks, ND

    @historybride... YES - we do that. Sometimes we'll just say "I have no easy way to say this, so I hope you excuse my crude unrefined thought..." or that type of thing. that way the other person is braced for what could otherwise be a stinging comment, and the issue can be elaborated on and dealt with, instead of one of us just getting all huffy and defensive because a comment didn't sit right.

     
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    emilybrooke    6-26-09   Boston, MA

    Wow ladies, I'm so glad so many of you have commented on this.  I'm so sorry for the upsets you all have had in your lives but I'm so happy you have all found your way through them and on to better things and I'm sure wonderful happy marriages.

     

    I have never once doubted that my fi was the man for me. I knew right away and it seems he did as well.  The thing that scares me is us growing apart or one of us changing so dramatically and horrificly ( I think I just made up a word or I just can't spell!) as it sounds so many of you know about.  I think these are natural fears/curiosities that most new couples face (or at least I hope so!) and I'm one to look much to deep into everything so I thought I'd turn to you lovely ladies!

    I need a new book now so I will definitely look into your suggestions. 

    I'd like to think that we are already using many of your suggestions, we talk about everything (though I usually talk it to death....) and although I'm sure there are a ton of couples out there that have had even more issues and problems to work through than us we have still been through our fair share where we have come out even better than before.  I have learned to swallow my pride and apologize (this is a new trick for me!!!!) and he has learned patience he never knew he had.

    Its just nice to know that these things that we already do and so many more that I haven't listed here is what strong marriages are based on.

     

    Thanks again to all of you for posting and to all of you that may continue to post.  I will be checking back often!!!

     
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    maryjane    September 9, 2009   Grand Forks, ND

    I think that a lot of grandparents who've been married like 50 or 60 years will tell you that it's not all sunshine and roses, but if you stick together and work it out, you'll be rewarded with a great marriage and a great lifetime of memories.

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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    My grandparents will be married seventy..yea 70 years this summer.  Their secret?  It's a joint effort.  It is a team thing.  And communication and treating others as you would treat yourself.

     
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    loveletter    10.28.2006   Ohio

    I haven't been married very long, so I don't have a lot of words of wisdom, but my husband and I both come from families with long-lasting marriages.  My parents have been married 30 years, his have been married 27.  What I hear most from them, and from other "marriage role-models" of mine is that they all went into it believing that divorce was never an option for them.  Whatever came their way, they were sticking through it together.  I also have seen a sacrificial kind of love demonstrated where they always put the other person first. 

    Recently, but I came across these two guys who went together on a project of interviewing couples all across the United States who have been married for 50+ years.  It's called Project Everlasting, and they made a documentary about it, and also wrote a book.  I've been thinking it would be neat to check it out... has anyone else seen it?  http://www.projecteverlasting.com/ .  I am curious to hear what other people think if they have seen it.  I think it would be inspiring to hear the stories of all these adorable old couples. :)

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    lreighard1    8/22/09   Washington, DC

    This was a great thread -- thank you all so much for your honesty.  I've wondered the same things emilybrooke.  You bees are so awesome <3

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    malheurrose    06/26/09   Ontario Oregon

    Short answer? The ex is gay.

    Of course it's infinitly more complicated than that. We married young; I said yes because that's what I thought I was supposed to do, he asked because he hoped that would "fix" his "problem".

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    Well I come from a long line of married people who never divorced.  I was the only one.  I was a little embarassed when I had to let the whole family know.  But once they found out the reason why, they were so supportive of me.

    Like the earlier poster said, my family just didnt' think divorce was an option available.  Except in my case and with mine, they couldn't wait for the divorce to go through.  I got the family mulligan on that.

    My guy and I also do not believe divorce is an option, even though we're both divorced.  This is gonna be it.  Lifers.  He and I both had difficult situations to get thru before, and we're so happy and blessed now!

     
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    dorsay    August 2009  

    I found the link from cheese but I really like simplemarriage.net . all the advice on this board has been great Overall marriage advice :  wedding advice Icon Biggrin

     
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    maureen9004    August 2008  

    I'm not divorced... yet :)

     I'm kidding sort of. 

    My advice is if you don't like your in-laws (i.e. you have real issues with them) think again about walking down the aisle.   I love my husband- and I can't imagine marrying anyone else, but after the wedding I ran his credit report and found that his parents stole his identity and charge 22,000 to credit cards in his name.  The only way for him to get rid of this debt, is to turn them in- and he wont (I totally understand this).

       It's put me in a hard place.  I've never liked his family- they are old money, and in the past ten years have gone bankrupt.  When we first met they made me feel like I wasn't good enough for their son, and passively did everything they could to cause problems (my husband is a great guy, but he's very naive for 28). 

       I'm currently not speaking to my in-laws, while my husband visits them weekly.  He understands how I feel, and he is torn about how to feel himself- but I push him to remain close to them.  If nothing else, they love him and I know that. 

      Reading my old posts about my MIL driving me nuts and manipulating our wedding- I should have seen the signs.  Right now, we're trying to make this work.  But I sometimes wonder what's going to happen to us and how long we can do this for. 

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    Wow Maureen that's horrible what they did to their own son.  Nothing but hugs to you both.  And courage wished to him to stand up to his manipulative parents.

    You two can get thru this.

     
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    cheese    May 2009   Knoxville

    I was immature, and I had all of these (wrong) ideas about how marriage should be.  So when things weren't wonderful, I blamed him and believed he was just the wrong guy rather than figuring out that I had some growing up to do.

     
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    thefuturemrsjohnson    April 3, 2010   Whittier, California

    I was 19 when I got married to the ex.  I knew him for a total of six months before we said "I DO".  I didn't know who he was or even who I was.  So we got married and I got pregnant.  Turns out he didn't want kids.  We tried to make it work for a few years after my daughter was born but I knew when I found out I was pregnant that it was over and just cound't face my family as a failure so I "tried". 

    I know that it was a huge mistake, but it was made and it's done.  I can't regret it or wish it didn't happen because my daughter is amazing and I learned a great deal about me and who I am.

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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    Well congrats and welcome to Encore future Mrs. J!  I am a single mom too (divorced) and it's so wonderful we're believing in love and family.  This is a wonderful time and nothing but hugs..welcome!

     
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    seranyti    3/27/2010   Missouri

    First of all I just found this site, and have been reading through the posts.  This is the first thing I have seen for encore brides, so i thnak all of you for your insight. I don't feel so alone and out of place. 

    Second, The best marriage advice I can give you, is live with him first. I know it goes against so many religous ideas and traditions.  I know statistically couple who live together have a higher rate of divorce yada yada yada.  And the whole taboo living together thing.. but hear me out.

    When i was 18 my sister set me up with her friend's son. He came from a good family. We hit it off great. We talked everynight on the phone. We talked about everything. I was away at my first year of college and he lived in my "hometown" and went to college there. So every weekend i would come home and we would spend time together. Everything was great.  I decided to switch colleges to be closer to him and so on.  Well I ended up pregnant. So we got married a little sooner than planed. I had doubts at the time because I was begining to see tiny clues, as to his true nature. 

    Shortly after we got married  I began catching him in lies. For one he took out a credit card in his name and maxed it out without telling me. He used to card for cash advances ( ouch) for subway and games (double ouch) He maxed it.. $500 in a week.  You also have to relize he had never had a job unitl this point, and come to find out he couldn't hold one at all. in the next year he went through 13 jobs. most not lasting a month, some only a few days. He took money out of the checking account and lied about it. He din't have a drivers license (never had one), and took my car one weekend while i was gone, getting a ticket. all for a cheeseburger.

    But i was still willing to try to work things out.  There was the way he began talking to me. He would yell at me.. wouldn't help with the baby at all.  I had to get a babysitter when i was at work, eventhough most of the time he didn't have a job.

    But still i wanted to work things out.

    Finally.. the last straw was I began finding things.. porn things, pretty sick and twisted things. He had a porn addiction.. and the stuff he was into was stuff i didn't even know existed. I found it hidden behind books on my bookshelves, i found it hidden files on my computer. This was his obessesion. 13+ hours a day. usually while i was asleep or at work, we were no longer intimate and hadn't been in awhile. The stuff i found.. was needless to say very very illegal  and i felt more alone than i had ever felt.

    So one night I was at my sister's house and it all came out... the fear the tears etc. And i never went back. We divorced after being married a year. And now I will never marry A man I haven't lived with. My current FI and i have been together for  3 years, and we currently live together.

     
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    anniebear    August 15, 2010   Toronto, ON

    I'm not divorced, I'm not even married yet, but I do know a handful of couples that were close to us who have divorced. Most of these relationships weren't good from the start, and they just jumped into marriage for the wrong reasons.

    My fiance's sister got married last July 2008 only because all of her friends were getting married, so she decided to jump on the "wedding train." Prior to their joke of a wedding, they were already having issues of abuse. Well, not surprisingly they got separated in October of 2008 and were divorced by December 2008. Very sad.

    A close friend of ours also got married just because the woman got pregnant. Her parents forced him to marry her and he yielded. Their relationship was on and off for five  years and they saw other people. Naturally, when they got married there was a lot of resentment and he blamed her every day for trapping him into the marriage. They divorced after two years, and their poor two-year old daughter is now suffering the loss of her father. He had to move out four hours away just to get away from his ex wife.

    Another friend of ours got married just because she felt she was getting old, and they were already living together and been together for 10 years, so she thought she might just get it over and done with, seal the deal, so to speak. Well, that marriage has now resulted in separation due to some serious cheating.

    I guess when one enters a marriage for the wrong reasons then there can be nothing to expect but wrong consequences. Relationships are never 100% flawless and perfect all the time. There will be ups and downs, best times and worst times. I guess that is why we vow to "love and to honor through god times and bad." But if the foundation of the relationship is weak to begin with, then it won't withstand the storm. That's just what I learned from my parents who have been strongly and happily married for thirty five years.

    Good luck in your marriage emilybrooke! All the best to you!

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    I am NOT getting married at 39 because I feel I am getting old.  I feel in fact younger and more vibrant now than I did at 29 because i'm with the right person now and my stress level is waaay lower.  

    Even before, I did not enter marriage for the wrong reasons.  I don't think my xh did either.  We weren't young (27 and 28).  Dated for a few years and were both planners.  Had a good relationship.  Everything was really great...until he became wealthy.
    That was the change that brought him to change.

    Not me. 

    Sometimes as scary as it may seem, people DO change over time and maybe some dormant long lost fantasy they had in their head pops out and they choose to forego reason, morality and sanity and go and follow that inane fantasy.  That's what my xh did and it's been his undoing.  Even in his affair marriage.  He married one of the women he was cheating with.  Same story except they never enjoyed peace and harmony and fidelity and stability as he and I did for years before he changed.

    I used to joke around years ago (way to deal with the pain) to my friends and we all called him "Darth" because like annakin skywalker once was good, he changed suddenly to the guy Darth and took a walk on the dark side.

    I still hope that he straightens himself out.  Not for me but for my son and for his daughter who will be five this month.  We've incidentally been divorced now for five years..get it now?

    I think the best PARENTAL marriage advice came from my father.  In high school he sat my sister and I down on the couch and laid out a few rules he'd suddenly decided on.  She and I were both dating then, and he wanted to make his life plan for us perfectly clear.  My beloved father passed away 10 years ago this summer, and he would be so happy I kept to his plan regardless of circumstances.  Sadly on his death bed, he told me he didn't like my xh and wished I'd go on without him. 

    Here are my dad's ideas for a well balanced and happy life:

    1) Only get married when you can support yourself and somebody else.  You never kmow if one of you will get disabled.  And that means carry proper insurance for the both of you as well.

    2)I won't give either of you girls (my sister and I) a dime towards your weddings unless you both finish college.  A college degree is like another form of insurance.

    3)I have two daughters.  Knowing the way the world is today (this was in the early 1990s when he said this), something sad will happen to possibly one of you with the divorce rate as it is.  Be prepared.  Do as I said and you'll weather any storm and be prepared to not only support yourself but a child possibly too if bad things happen."

    My dad wanted us to both be completely self sufficient financially before marrying.  He even wanted us to live at home as long as we could to save up $$.  My sister DID end up marrying but was a senior in college and had six months to go before her degree but she kept her word to him and graduated of course.  She put my bro in law thru medical school and now 17 years later they're happy as clams and doing fine financially with a loving family and great marriage.

    Me?  I happened to be the one for whom my dad's ominous prophecy fell upon.  I was the one who divorced.  But I did as he said, had a good degree and a marketable job and solid profession and have had to struggle after divorce, but landed on my feet able to always have a nice home and vehicle and be able to take care of myself and my child.  WITHOUT a man around.  I do get child support but it's not that much as a result of further lies from my x.  We will not ever delve into that sucking black hole.

    But I think my dad's rules are good rules for life and love.  Life is an unknown.  You're only responsible for yourself.  You cannot make anybody else do anything, even if it is the logical, sane, or loving decision to make.  Everyone has free will.  But never let a day pass that you do not tell your hubby, kids, or family and friends that you love them. 

     

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    tmarie    April 7, 2009   SFValley, So. Cal.

    Ah Bellenga, the wisdom that comes with being in our later 30's!! If we weren't both getting married...I'd say Marry Me! lol, kidding. Cheers to our fabulous FH's and our next go around!

    Kisses

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    anniebear    August 15, 2010   Toronto, ON

    Hi Bellenga,

     First of all, 39 is NOT old!! 30 is the new 20's. You are still so young. My cousin is 46, still single and still dating around. She has the beauty and vibrance of a 22 year old. Age should never stop us.

    Also, I did not imply that the  only couples who divorce are the ones who entered their marriages for the wrong reasons. I was merely sharing my own knowledge based on the couples that I knew. My conclusion was that divorce is more likely to occur between couples who enter their marriages for the wrong reasons. In each of the cases that I witnessed, the couples got married for the wrong reasons. However, you're right, love can still fade away even though the couple entered the marriage while genuinely in love at the time. It's a part of life. People change, especially if they experience drastic alterations in their lives.

    I am getting married in October 2010 and I am deeply in love with my fiance who has been my high school sweetheart since we were in our early teens. We are a good team, we are each other's biggests supporters and best friends. However, even this does not guarantee that we will spend an entire lifetime of bliss and togetherness. People still grow apart, as you've mentioned. I'm just putting my faith in God that my marriage will be like my parents who have been happily married for thirty five years. It's a freefall, almost. You just never know what the future holds. What's most important is how one conducts him or herself during times of trial.

    Best of luck in your upcoming marriage :)

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    @Tmarie,  I love ya too!  We'd probably have a gorgeous wedding with our style ideas lol!  Ditto to cheers to all our fabulous (and understanding) FI"s!  Mine's had to put up with me being on call all weekend and cancelling on him last night for our "family" dinner. 

    @Anniebear-I never thought that,  just that there are other issues that I think and have seen that imho, were reasons most  couples who have divorced I've known, divorced for.  Wishing you lots of love and a lifetime of happiness!  I sure wish I FELT today like I was in my 20's..I've been on call all weekend and just got back in about 30 min ago from the hospital..this is one tired girl!  So glad you're here btw..

    ~J.

     
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    liztwinz    10/17/2009   SW Georgia

    Here is a simple rule: Three things you should hold in marriage...your tongue, your temper, and each other. I would personally add to that, choose your battles. Your marriage is supposed to be the safe place for each of you-not a constant source of henpecking, nagging, complaining or fussing-that goes for both sides! Your home is your refuge-keep it that way.

    That being said-the reason that my first marriage did not survive is pure and simple: INFIDELITY. He was a cheater. I don't mind sharing that because NEVER in a million years did I think it could happen to me and when it did, everyone was shocked bc of all the people in all the lands who were in love, we were going to make it. That sounds terribly conceited, but it's true. We were together for 6 years before we got married (boyfriend/girlfriend, promised and then engaged) and then married for almost TEN years. After dealing with some fertility issues, we were thrilled to be pregnant with TWINS! Yes indeed! When the babies were 15 months old, he woke up one morning and said that he didn't want to be married anymore and he left. Just like that. I only thought it happened in magazines, but it happens in real life, to me-Sunday School teacher, Special Ed teacher, active in the community, volunteer, home alot, thought I was best friends with my husband. NOPE! Turns out, all that time, THE ENTIRE TIME, he was cheating. NEVER stopped dating.

    Am I angry? I was. Not anymore. I have been divorced for four years this coming summer. Being married to him seems like a lifetime ago. Not bitter, not hateful, there is just nothing there. I moved on. My heart did heal and time did help me to move forward. I met a wonderful man-he is the yin to my yang-we work. We are determined to make this work. Of course, it helps significantly that we both agreed that dating other people was out of the question when we got serious and that dating others would not be a part of our marital relationship. Not to make light of a difficult subject-but I've been there. I also learned that you can't control someone else's actions and if your partner, the person you have taken a vow with in front of God and your friends and family-if that person chooses to dishonor that vow, you will be okay. You can move on. Your heart will heal. You will find love again. And you know what? It IS better the second time around!

     
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    sea otter    08/1/09   San Jose, CA

    What a great thread!  When I got divorced, I went through some major counseling with a preist at my church (who, by the way, is doing my wedding in a few months) and he told me to go talk to some friends of mine who I think have happy marriages.  I talked to one of my closest friends, and she said, "things get tough, really tough, but D and I never speak the word divorce out loud.  Its not an option.  I have flet like leaving, and I am sure he has, but we never say it.  When you say it out loud, it becomes an option"  My Fi and I have made a promise to each other that it will not be a word spoken in our home.  We are together, through thick and thin, god, and bad, EVERYTHING.  We agree to get help if we need it, but we are together forever! 

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    I just want to give out hive hugs right now to all encore brides who made it through such difficult days in their lives.  That experience has made me love stronger, stand up 100 percent for what I believe in, and the best mom I could ever be. 

    I think that despite what my x did, I have become more than before.  I learned that I didn't have to be with anybody to be happy.  I learned that money doesn't make you happy.  And the greatest gift I've ever been given is when my little boy looks up at me and says he loves me. 

    ((((((Encores brides n the Hive))))))

    @Liz--was the same for us..nobody thought we'd ever divorce.  Thought we had it all.  And I was the last to know that he had a double life.  If you get a chance, show us your adorable twins!  And kudos for being brave enough to inspire others here with words of hope and strength.

    In fact, I think there is NOTHING but strength and love on the Encore board.  I am SO happy there is a special place for such special brides, grooms, some also special moms and dads too here. 

    Thanks Mr. and Mrs. Bee for creating this little cozy hub for us.  It's just different being an encore bride or groom and there's not any support out there for us really.  Before I was hostess here and before there was ever an encore board, I remember when my guy and I decided we'd get married.  It was last summer.  We decided we loved each other and that was when we began laying down somewhat of a timeline.  Now it's sorta broad (later in 2009) but we're definitely marrying.  Just waiting on the ring.  I remember wanting to find out what other women and men in OUR situation did when they faced remarriage.  There was NO resource whatsoever out there.

    There was not alot of information.  And the silly information I read suggested I wear a short, white suit and quietly sneak off to the courthouse or wear a dress that even my grandma would turn her nose up at!  So I began scouring around for help.  And I found this great place. 

    I think the cardinal rule of love and relationships is simple.  Treat others as you would treat yourself.  And follow the love chapter in the Bible.  It doesn't matter your religious beliefs, that is pure wisdom and life lessons.   

     
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    Querida       Sugar Land, TX

    I just read this entire post and it moved me so much!

    It's true - it is different for the encore's and even though some of us have differences in our situations, there is a common ground that is so nice to feel.

    I married young (I was 18), but it was for the right reasons.  At the time, the X was sweet and loving and all that.  He took great care of me - but then his mom got cancer.  Since she was the family "glue" it slowly went downhill.  The X-FIL went back to drugs, they lost their company, etc. etc.  TONS of stress.

    The X-MIL died 2 years later,  13 days after our first baby was born.  (God Bless her, she was a beautiful person)  It was a time full of family drama and stress - not the ideal environment to bring a baby home to!  Suffice it to say the X couldn't deal with it.  He started hanging out with the guys more (which I encouraged) to blow off steam.  That gradually turned into 5 nights a week at the clubs - me at home.  He even left the hospital the night our second child was born to "go out and celebrate"  SRSLY??  I raised his sister for 3 years (she was 10 years younger and had been with the drug-addicted dad) Even his sis at 15 could see.  It eventually spiraled out of control and I had tried EVERYTHING:  Counseling (alone - he wouldn't go) books, prayer, Etc. After nearly 8 yrs of being married I asked for a divorce.  It was a long drawn out, nasty process full of him stalking and breaking into my house, BUT...

    At the end of the day, I have a good job, a house, 2 healthy, happy, and well adjusted kids, and I'VE MADE IT!!!  I am a completely transformed person now.  I will never be THAT girl again - and walking all over me is not an option.  I wouldn't change any of it.  The person i am today was shaped by that shell of a person I was then.  Had I not battled all of that, my Deal-Breaker list would have been much shorter and I would have been settling for men that I thought were "good enough".  SO glad I was picky and I waited!!!  The X, on the other hand, remarried a person who encourages the behavior I divorced him over and is "reaping what he sowed" as Bellenga said.  Such is life, I guess.  Overall marriage advice :  wedding advice Icon Biggrin

    Every single one of you ladies is an inspiration and I am so thankful for this place in the hive...

    XOXOX

     
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    MsAnnaLytical    March 13, 2010   Orlando, FL--finally with my FI!

    This is such an inspirational post. Thanks so much, emilybrooke, for starting this thread! All of the strong women on here give me hope that if something horrible were to happen- not that I think in any way shape or form that my FI would cheat or anything to that extent- that I would have the strength and resolve to get past it and find love again. You ladies are SO strong, and I give you all the support and praise in the world for going through all of that heartache and coming out the other side.

    Me and my FI have also made the pact that we will never threaten to leave each other as well. We have friends who constantly make threats like that and it's seriously weakened their relationship. We talk through everything, share everything, and make every effort to strengthen and solidify our relationship because we don't want to make the same mistakes our friends have made. We're trying to be that couple that doesn't have to make the same mistakes and learn from them...we want to learn NOW and forego all of that.

    Thanks for the book recommendations, and for the positive (and negative) experiences with counseling...it's always been something me and my FI have turned our noses up at, but I may talk to him about it and see if he'd be interested in doing a "double check" so to speak. Thanks so much, girls!

     
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    sally0919    09/19/2009   Herndon VA

    This is "somewhat" related to this topic...

    Have you heard anyone say "I wanna be married next year" or "I wanna be married when I'm 30" and he/she isn't even in a serious relationship? Kinda like in Sex and the City when Charlotte said something like "I decided that this year is when I'm gonna get married..." It seems these people would get married just for the sake of being married, or they want to experience all the fuss of planning a wedding. I feel these people, more than likely, will not succeed in a marriage.

     
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    seranyti    3/27/2010   Missouri

    I agree with never syaing the d word.  About two years ago we had a big fight and the word breakup flew from his lips. I told him if he wanted out he needed to go then, but if he was willing to  work on stuff with me  that breakup should not ever be an option. Now we have fights as every couple does, but I always know no matter what we are there for each other.

    I do have to raise another issue. Honesty. No matter how much the truth may hurt or be unplesant, honesty is the key. Being able to know about issues and talk about them before they get to big to handle is super important. 

    And lastly, it is ok to go to bed angry. I was raised not to ever do that, but i have learned that soemtimes, having time to cool off, suddenly him forgetting to put the toliet seat down again, or whatever is not nearly as important after you have had time to calm down. :)

     
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    bluespurrs    August 7, 2009   South-central PA, USA, Earth

    With my first marriage, I was 18 and pregnant. What happened with that one is that my child was born with serious medical problems that I had to deal with and hubby could not handle so he found himself another woman.

     With the 2nd marriage, I married quickly and now I know I married for LUST. Ladies, just because he can do it for 5 or 6 hours at a pop, this is not a reason to get married. It is easy to confuse lust for love! Once I started coming off the lust buzz, I figured out this man was the most possessive and financially irresponsible man on the planet and he was going down and dragging me with him, so I got out of that marriage quickly in order to survive!

     Let's just say I am being a LOT more cautious this time around!

     

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