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  • poll: Do you use the oxford comma?
    Always! : (99 votes)
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    Never! : (33 votes)
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    Sometimes... I'm inconsistent. : (28 votes)
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    You seriously care about this? : (1 votes)
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    Random-est poll ever coming up. I am a strong believer in the Oxford comma, but a lot of people I know are strong believers against it. Neither is technically wrong. Just curious which is more popular. 

    (For those who don't know, it is the comma used before the last item in a list.)

    Oxford comma: 

    I went to the grocery store to pick up bananas, apples, and grapes. 

    Or not: 

    I went to the grocery store to pick up bananas, apples and grapes. 

     
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    UpstateCait    October 7, 2011   Upstate, NY

    I never use the Oxford comma. Honestly, I didn't even know what it was until this thread, lol. 

     
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    SuperKate    May 28, 2011   Missouri / Playa del Carmen, Mexico

    I do a lot of writing for my job and and have a news journalism BA and have always been taught NOT to use the comma between the last two items. I guess newspapers don't use it because omitting it saves space. 

     
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    Mrs.KMM    July 17, 2010   Atlanta, GA (wedding in Indianapolis, IN)

    I definitely always use an Oxford comma (although I never knew it was called that).

     
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    courtbu17    May 21, 2011   Dayton, OH

    I thought I was the only one that used this!!!  I always use the oxford comma!  I think it's technically correct (at least from what i was taught in school).  It annoys me when people do not use it properly, however, I tend to be a bit of a "grammar nazi".Wink

     
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    bakerella    September 11, 2010   Toronto, ON

    I didn't know it had a specific name. I'm inconsistent about it. I know I'm supposed to do it, I just don't always do it. It's a stupid thing to be lazy about! LOL!

     
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    tranquility    August 20, 2011  

    I NEVER do. Actually I used it all during highschool until one teacher took a mark off for using it. I haven't used it since!

     
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    joy2011    October 22, 2011   NE Ohio

    oh it can be sooo confusing not to!

    here's the classic wikepedia example:

    To my parents, Ayn Rand and God.

    does not quite mean the same thing as:

    To my parents, Ayn Rand, and God.

     
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    crayfish    September 11, 2010   Berkeley, CA

    Hahaha I have the Vampire Weekend song "Oxford Comma" stuck in my head now :-).

     

    I'm a fan of it, but science is not. All my work writing is sans oxford comma (in addition to being boring ;-) )

     
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    joy2011    October 22, 2011   NE Ohio

    @tranquility:ha. If I were you, I would use it all the time just to give the finger to that teacher! 

     
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    @joy2011:  EXACTLY. I feel that it is such a small effort to be abundantly more clear. 

    @SuperKate: Yea the Chicago standards for journalism (or whatever they're called) state not to use it. I never knew why but that is probably a good guess about saving space :) 

    @bakerella: you're not really SUPPOSED to. Technically neither is wrong. Both are acceptable and grammatically correct (unless you are writing for a specific purpose that follows a specific rule such as in journalism). 

    But I will say to the day I die.... I am a fan of the oxford comma haha. 

    I know this isn't actually an oxford comma but it still makes me giggle...

    Oxford comma? :  wedding Lets Eat Grandpa

     
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    bestbuddies    June 6, 2010   Chicago, Illinois

    yes I do however I had no idea it was called that. I learned something new today thanks to you! :)

     
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    tranquility    August 20, 2011  

    @CorgiTales: bahahahaha i love it!

     
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    thewheelsonthebus    June 25, 2011  

    I never use an Oxford Comma... but in general am a total over user of punctuation in general in my work correspondance.  :)

     
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    PitBulLover    August 21, 2010  

    I never do. I was always taught not to!

     
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    FutureMrsTran    August 16, 2013  

    so THAT'S what an Oxford Comma is....!

    I am inconsistent. My mom always said not to use it. She's my master proofreader for all things academic. I've always been taught in school not to use it, too! Hmm...interesting that people are saying they've always been taught TO use it, while others are taught NOT to!

     
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    MrsSl82be    October 24, 2009  

    Nope, don't use it. Never knew there was such a thing, honestly

     
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    Evie19    January 21, 2012  

    @CorgiTales: omg I love that!

    I use the Oxford comma, although I had one professor in college who made it a point to tell us never to use them in our papers!

     
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    finnaroo    August 7, 2010   DC (living in nyc now)

    my first job out of college was at a research think tank and i did a lot of writing and editing, and the oxford comma was a big part of their writing style guide, so i always use it! and when i edit other people's work, i add the commas in, not using it is one of my pet peeves :P

    like, as an example, this would be confusing without an oxford comma:

    "there will be three entrees: chicken, macaroni and cheese, and fish."

    without it it'd be

    "there will be three entrees: chicken, macaroni and cheese and fish."

    mac n cheese with fish? yuck! and that's only 2 choices!

    and @crayfish: now i have vampire weekend in my head too :)

     
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    Ms Hedgehog    July 10, 2011   Dallas/ Ft Worth TX

    I always used to but was told I was wrong! Now I know I wasn't wrong and it has a technical name... stupid college professors...

     
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    krobbie    October 2011   Bay Area, CA

    I used to always use it, but at work we CANNOT use it.  So now, I use it about half the time when writing for non work purposes.  It kind of looks weird with it (to me, since I'm used to work), but I do prefer using the comma!

     
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    Aure    October 6, 2012   Las Vegas

    I was always told it was incorrect. Save for finnaroo's macaroni and cheese example, though, the pause is implied in a sentence. "I went to the grocery store to pick up bananas, apples and grapes." Say it out loud and you still pause between "apples" and the "and."

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    @crayfish: lol me too!

    I was taught that it was correct as well and I use it. I know some people consider it wrong but I think it just looks better.

     

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    I always use it because that was how I was taught. I never knew it was called an oxford comma. lol 

     
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    abbyful    June 7, 2011   Kansas City

    I ALWAYS use it. I absolutely hate it when people leave it out.

     
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    Neva    July 2010  

    I always, always use it.  Why?  It prevents ambiguity. I can't see a reason NOT to use it, unless you are writing for a newspaper where space is an issue.

    Serial comma usage has the blessing of both the Chicago Manual of Style and (for you legal types) The Redbook:  A Manual on Legal Style.  (Umm...yeah, I'm that nerdy.)

    My favorite example is:

    A panda walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and proceeds to fire it at the other patrons.

    'Why?' asks the confused, surviving waiter amidst the carnage, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

    'Well, I'm a panda,' he says, at the door. 'Look it up.'

    The waiter turns to the relevant entry in the manual and, sure enough, finds an explanation. 'Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves.'

     
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    bree72    December 31, 2008  

    I always use it, but thought it wasn't really correct. I just feel like a comma is supposed to be there, so I use it. It doesn't bother me if one isn't there, it's just that I like using it.

     
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    @Neva: That was hilarious.  You made my day! Laughing

     

    I always use them, never knew what it was called though!

     
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    quiche    May 2, 2009   Chicago

    I never, ever use it! I grew up with double spaces after periods & no Oxford commas.  Is it ALA style?  I can't remember...

     
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    tksjewelry    June 25, 2011   Omaha

    I was taught to use it, but honestly I cannot remember if I do in everyday writing or not.  I can tell you that I have used it when I have written press releases but I will not any longer.   Does anyone know how spell check uses it?  I grew up on a new spelling system that didn't work and I still cannot break down a sentence so spell check is esssential to me.

     
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    Mrs.KMM    July 17, 2010   Atlanta, GA (wedding in Indianapolis, IN)

    @quiche: I'm definitely a "double spaces after periods" girl as well.  Sentences look too bunched together when you just use one, IMO.

     
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    abbyful    June 7, 2011   Kansas City

    I used to use double spaces after periods. Now that I'm a web developer, I don't. In HTML, unless you " ", it consolidates all the white-space in a row into just 1 space, whether you typed 1, 2, or 50 spaces.

     
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    sdrury89    March 10, 2012   Houston, TX

    I ALWAYS use it. I was taught to always include it, and I'm a serious over comma-er so it makes sense for me to throw it in regardless of if it is right or not. lol

     
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    abbyful    June 7, 2011   Kansas City

    "Does anyone know how spell check uses it?"

     

    Spell check reads both ways as "correct".

    Technically both are correct depending on which grammar book you use. And even then the oxford comma is never "incorrect", just "optional" according to some grammer guidelines. (At least from what I've seen/read.)

     
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    amanda06    July 21, 2012  

    I'm a freelance journalist, so I always omit the Oxford comma, but if I had a choice, I'd use it. I think it helps with clarity and consistency. Even if you're following AP Style, which is what journalists use, you would include the Oxford comma if the series includes a conjunction in the concluding part of the series.

    For example, you would write: I had orange juice, toast, and ham and eggs for breakfast. You would not write: I had orange juice, toast and ham and eggs for breakfast

    Many AP writers get that wrong, and it drives me crazy. It would be easier if we just kept it consistent. That said, both ommitting and including the Oxford comma are correct; it's just a matter of style. 

     
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    tksjewelry    June 25, 2011   Omaha

    @abbyful: Wait, are you not supposed to use the double space after a period anymore?  When did that change?

     
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    Ms. Sparkles    December 2011  

    I always use oxford comma.  However, in the back of my mind, I keep remembering my English teacher telling me I'm not suppose to use it. LOL!

     
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    abbyful    June 7, 2011   Kansas City

    @tksjewelry - I don't know really. I just don't anymore because even if I do when I'm doing webpage stuff, it only reads as 1 space. I learned the double-space when I was learning to type, I think it's optional now (?).

     
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    Neva    July 2010  

    @tksjewelry:  Supposedly, the double space after a period rule was required because typewriters used monospace fonts and it made things easier to read.  Now that no one uses typewriters OR monospace fonts, supposedly, the rule has no more reason to exist.

    But I still use two spaces after a period.  I learned to type that way and I LIKE it that way.

     

    http://www.slate.com/id/2281146/

     
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    tksjewelry    June 25, 2011   Omaha

    @abbyful:  I always use it, but I learned to type on a typewriter.  There was no such thing as "keyboarding" in HS back then.  Yes I am that old, LOL.

     

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