When we left off, Mrs. Amanda posited this, and asked whether we agreed:
Socialists want to abolish capitalism because they believe that it exploits the working class… The progressives believe that the approach of the Socialists in achieving social change is too drastic could cause social unrest. Instead, the progressives want to convince the poor or less privileged to be jealous of the rich capitalist in order to influence the working class to vote progressives into power and perform the government obligation of improving the life of the community. ( http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/difference-between-socialism-and-progressivism-/)
SoupyCat posted a reply that I very much agree with.
Personally, that definition offends me as well. My beliefs are based in what I perceive as basic human decency, and what works for civilized peoples. I have a professional and educational background that could lead me into the top 2% if that was where my interests lie. My husband makes good money, so our combined income puts us very well above average (my salary alone is more than the average american family salary, and DH makes about twice what I do). We also live in NYC where everything is crazy expensive, so we’re not rolling in dough, but I digress . . . So often I hear people in (or speaking on behalf of) the top 1% talk about how some on the left are waging “class warfare.” I think they are flat wrong. I think people at the top of the income spectrum have been waging class warfare for years, and winning in a landslide. I have many friends at the top of the income scale, who bleed bluer than I do. What are they envious of? Several in GOP like to talk dismissivly about the “liberal Hollywood elite.” Actors who make millions upon millions, and advocate for democratic policies and candidates. Whose money are they jealous of? George Soros, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates support higher tax rates for the rich. Who are they jealous of, exactly? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/bill-gates-taxes_n_1231920.html (yes, it’s Huffpo, but watch the video, it’s his own words) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125918497 (again, rich people in their own words). http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html (Steven King’s article on why he should pay more in taxes– VERY MUCH WORTH A READ despite some “colorful” language).
I’m going to quote Douglas from Minneapolis again. I think he does a good job explaining why we believe as we do (and feel free to disagree if you don’t– I mean to speak for anyone else). Doing away with progressive taxation just gives theRomneys of the world more money to hide offshore. Not that you”owe” the American people anything for providing the infrastructure, etc., that allowed you to amass that wealth, but I can’t help but think that offshore accounts aren’t very patriotic. “Among other things, stripping out the progressive tax system of the 50’s and 60’s has entirely changed the incentive of the boardroom and the uppermost management tier in American business since those decades. No business was about to pay a CEO $15M if 91% of it went to Uncle Sam. Consequently, the money was spent on R & D, capital investment, employee training, wages and benefits, and better quality employees. Long term growth was the goal. Now it’s a race-to-the-bottom. Since every quarter has to show a good enough bottom line to justify the bonuses and golden parachutes the assets are sold off, pensions are eliminated, and work outsourced and offshored. ” I think Douglas has pretty much nailed (a simplified version of) exactly what happened and why.