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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    This is going to sound horrible. But how do you handle a situation when someone you really didn't like passes away? My Grandfather died this past weekend and he was a horrible, mean, manipulative man. My grandmother divorced him early on in the marriage because he would lock her up in their house during the day to control her. On multiple occasions he's tried to get our family to turn against both my mother and I, stating we were 'evil' (this is a long story, my Mom is an easy target and I take her side).

    To make this worse, all of my cousins and various other family member are posting FB status updates as if they really liked him!! Like "RIP Granddad, I love you and will miss you" when they clearly didn't really feel that way when he was alive.

    I want to be respectful of the fact that he's passed away, but to be honest I didn't like or respect him when he was alive. Anyone have advice?

     
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    dance    July 23, 2011   Alberta, Canada

    It is always sad when someone passes away, but that doesn't mean you have to have liked the person.  I don't think it is necessary to be fake about it and talk about how great he was or how you will miss him if that isn't the case.  I think it is best to acknowledge the death and, if necessary, pass on your condolences to the close family and friends.  Other than that though, there is no reason to dwell much on it.  It may sound harsh, but I wouldn't expect someone who didn't like me to be upset and mourning over me either.  I think you just need to acknowledge it and then move on with your own life.  

     
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    I'm the type of person who would post something more like: "One less a-hole in the world."

    But you know, I'm a glutton for confrontation.

     
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    teaadntoast    04/23/2010   New York, NY

    He sounds... lovely.  Agree with dance that just because everyone else is being fake doesn't mean you should feel obligated to pretend an emotional response that you dont feel.  I would focus on supporting your mom, if that's what she needs, rather than expending any energy on someone who wouldn'tve appreciated it in life.

    I mean, you don't have to say anything about it unless you're pressed directly.  And then there's no requirement that you express sorrow that he's gone, etc.  Just, "Yeah, it's difficult for a lot of people right now," or similar would probably do without getting people all up in arms about your not be appropriately grief-stricken.

     
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    MissHelen    November 20, 2010   California

    I'd go with something like "I hope Grandpa found what he was looking for".

    ETA: btw, you're not a horrible person because a mean, awful old man died. Relief is as valid an emotion as any in this case.

     
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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    @MightySapphire: LOVE it!!

    I guess I wasn't really clear in my OP about what I wanted advice for, but I just don't know what to say to my family. They are all acting devastated and I really question if they just want attention, b/c seriously he was MEAN. I feel really bad for my Dad who did genuinely love him and look after him up until the day he died, so I've been really nice to my Dad, but I just don't even know what to say. "I'm sorry for your loss" doesn't seem appropriate since it's technically MY loss too, youknow?

     
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    MissHelen    November 20, 2010   California

    Then I'd go with "I'm really sorry you're hurting Dad. I love you and I'm here for you".

     
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    @MissHelen: That sounds perfect!  I'd use that one.

     
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    mrs.peters.to.be    April 12, 2011   Northern British Columbia, Canada

    I'll give you a point of view from the other side of the story. This past summer my grandfather passed away and we had some really troubling moments between family members. Out of 10 of my mother's siblings half were from one father and the other half are from another. To make a long story short there are many people in my family who didn't like my grandfather for various reasons. I'll admit he was horrible to some of them.

    Now here is my point that I really really hope you take in. I loved my grandfather and so did my mom. We only had good memories of him and he treated us well. On the flip side he was abusive to my grandmother and rotten to some of the older siblings (my mom is the youngest). Well when he passed away I kept hearing coments like "good ridance, we're glad he's gone," or , "why are you mourning for that a**hole." This hurt both my mother and I incrediably because we truely were in mourning for a man we loved. He never treated us badly and I had genuine reason to have this love for my grandfather.

    The point is you don't really know who in your family is feeling what. It's best for you to just keep quiet and not say anything rude about your grandfather even if that is how you feel. At least you know he's gone now. Just remember that if you feel the need to chime in about your dislike for him you may be hurting other living members of your family. Are you prepared to do that?

    The best way to deal with this situation is to offer your condolences out of respect and say as little as you can on the topic. Some of your family may honestly be mourning and to add insult to that injury may be something that you can never take back. In our case I've had to uninvite a couple of relatives at the request of my mother because she is hurt beyond belief. Just something to think about...

     

     
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    chelseamorning    November 1, 2008   Washington, DC/Atlanta

    I think being respectful and expressing courtesy is the best you can do. You don't have to suddenly make an about-face in your estimation of him just because he's passed away. That said, it's also unfair for you to make assumptions about how other people are really feeling or their motivations for posting updates on Facebook. 

    Related, there was an episode of the TV show Daria that is about just this topic. It's called "The Misery Chick." Someone who was self-absorbed and annoying in life dies unexpectedly and all of a sudden everyone acts like he was this great guy, and Daria calls them out on it. Basically the idea is that people are uncomfortable with death and so they automatically respond with nice things even if they aren't consistent with their previous feelings. So the Facebook updates may be a symptom of your relatives' own discomfort with death in general, not indicative of a sudden reversal of opinion about your grandfather or them lying to look socially acceptable. Their responses are more about them, not your grandfather. I would try to offer the necessary condolences and then lay low until everyone can put this behind them.

     
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    bluejay2201    May 30, 2009   Michigan

    As other lovelies have stated, kindness and courtesy won't hurt, but you don't have to go beyond that. My uncle died suddenly while my mother and I were visiting family. He caused a great deal of pain for most of my family. The kind of person you hope is rotting in Hell. But we went to the funeral, bought flowers, and got through all the drama because in the end we loved my aunt, regardless of how we felt about him. Being there for her is what mattered. I think you do the best you can to be polite, but you don't have to be fake. Be there for the people who are geniunely hurting over his passing. But don't worry about not sobbing over the casket. Sometimes there are a-holes that the world is better off without.

     
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    LittlestBirds    July 24, 2010   Seattle, WA

    My husband was a student at Virginia Tech during the April 2007 massacre. During the weeks after the shooting, one of his classes met just to give people a chance to talk about their experiences. The professor asked everyone to take a moment to mention how they knew any of the victims. Everyone was going around talking about what a sweet person each victim had seemed to be. When it was my husband's turn, he had to decide what to say about his former hallmate who had been something of an asshole. He said something like, "I have to admit that he and I did not get along. But no one deserves this."

    I agree that the best you can be expected to offer is compassionate support to those who are genuinely mourning, but don't feel like you have to paint over the person he really was. But, neither do you have to go out of your way to point out what a horrible person he was either.

     
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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    @chelseamorning: That is EXACTLY what is going on with my family!! Just last month when I saw my cousins, they were all complaining about how awful my Gdad was being to them ane how he had ruined their lives at various points. These are the SAME cousins with the FB updates "Miss you Gdad, Love you!" etc. And as far as 'being there' for the person who lost him and deserves support, well that would only be my Dad since he hurt everyone else in his life so bad no one was close to him and he lived alone.

    I agree in general to be respectful of anyone who passes away, but I will not resort to pretending he was a great guy. I have some good memories of him from when I was a small child before he got really bad, and I will chose to focus on those when talking about him to others.

     
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    guitargirl    October 2009   Ohio

    @moderndaisy: I am sorry you have to deal with this.  I am not sure what it is about death that anyone who dies is automatically canonized, no matter what their behavior was on earth.  I would just do my best to not tell them off, and come up with statements that are polite and true.  I like the "I'm sorry you are hurting."  I think "I'm sorry for your loss," is fine because everyone had a different relationship with him, so everyone's loss is different.  I use a lot of "I'll keep you in my prayers."  Is there anything nice you can say?  Sometimes for someone like that and I have to say something, I'll say something like, "He had a lot of determination." (Mean people often do, they just don't use it for good.)  Good luck!

     
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    Selene221    October 31, 2012  

    Breathe a sigh of relief that he is gone and no longer able to hurt or manipulate anyone else. Don't lie and say that you miss him if you don't. Respect is something that has to be earned and it sounds like this guy didn't do a single thing to earn it, sad to say, so you are under no obligation at all to say anything either way about your true feelings regarding his passing to other relatives.

     
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    gulbraa44    July 9, 2011  

    you dont have to say anything nice about him but you should be there to support the living.  If your grandma is having a hard time be there to support her.

     

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