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I just received a co-worker's wedding thank you from this summer. Beautiful wedding, and the thank you card included several (small) professional snapshots of the day.
However, the bride and groom had a generic "thank you" message printed on the thank you card - and didn't bother to write anything else to personalize it on the back! SO ANNOYED. It bothers me a ridiculous amount when people think that a printed photo card is enough of a thank you. Another co-worker did it for her baby shower gift too...and I remember her mentioning to the newly-married co-worker that no one had said anything negative about it. OF COURSE no one will tell her to her face that it's annoying to receive the exact same thank you with nothing to make it personal. While it's a breach in etiquette, I'm not going to be the one to call her and tell her that she's being rude with not including a personal message.
I have no problem with photo thank you cards...as long as something personal is written on the back! Or pre-printed envelopes...for a thank you, not the official wedding invitation. *annoyance* I know I'll probably make photo thank yous myself, but the personal message is needed! Without it, the thank you just seems obligatory, not genuinely grateful for the gifts received.
i dont have a problem with a lack of personal message - im just so happy to actually get a thank you these days that i count my blessings
@raspberrylemonade: I'm with you. It is the height of laziness to simply pop a card in an envelope and think that fulfills your obligation to send a thank-you note. It lets the person know that you received their gift, but that's about all.
I totally agree with you. It's super rude and impersonal. It's like, I'm going to put forth the least amount of effort and thought possible . . . nice . . .
Ive never actually received a thank you card from a wedding, so I would be happy! lol
Thats why I bought folding thank you photo cards. I was brought up you have to write something meaningful and personal per card. It does kind of bug me too when I get a typed thank you, and its very vague and impersonal. Like all they did was change the name "thank you (insert givers name here) thank you for your time, and generous gift. blah blah blah" I gave you a toaster oven...
We were planning on doing this exact thing. We did postcards for our couples shower with a personal message so for the wedding we are doing a photo with a generic thank you. We have been to events/givin gifts about 5 times this year and have yet to receive ONE thank you card. That's even more rude.
I would think it was borderline rude, but personally I don't think it's anything to complain about though? =/ Maybe that's just me. If I get someone a gift, it's because I want to give them a gift, not be "recognized" and "appreciated" for giving them a gift...
@mrsbruff2b: I agree! Frankly, I'm a little horrified by the amount of judgement I've seen on WeddingBee concerning thank you cards. It makes me worry that my own thank you's have been inadequate :-/
I actually don't see anything that wrong with a generic thank you. Its nice to just get a thank you. Plus, when we did our thank yous, it was hard to come up with something to say to each person. I ended up saying that same thing anyways: thank you so much for (insert gift recieved). It was great seeing you and spending time with you. I am so glad you were able to make it. Etc. Also, if the wedding was really big, writing out a thank you to each person could take a long time, so a generic could keep the person sane!
That stuff annoys me too, mostly because I'm the type of person who agonizes over writing thank yous, and tries to make every one personal and with proper ettiquette format.
.... speaking of, this is reminding me that I still have about 40 thank yous to write, and my wedding was about 4 months ago. Did I mention I'm a total slacker? *Bridal Guilt*
Wow things have changed. I was taught that in a proper thank you note personally called out the gift in detail - thank you for the lovely baby blue bath towels etc.
Then you were to express gratitue for coming to the wedding travel if they came from out of town and you were to make sure their name was or was not in guest book to make sure it they did not attend and you noted that also. I am so sorry that you were unable to attend we will have to get together as soon as we settle in to married life. Thanks so much for coming all the way from new york to share this special day with us
My mother would have my head on a platter if I did not send out a VERY personal note to each and every guest that attended my wedding. I am shocked that people think a pre made card stuffed into an envelope is any way to Thank someone. We actually sent out Thank you notes to each and every vendor also and the pastor who married us.
Times they are a changin'
@december bride: We did thank you cards for our vendors too! I feel the same way as you do :)
I think it depends on your relationship with the bride/groom. If its your BFF it better be personal or a relative.......
I'm still waiting for a thank you from a June wedding in which I gave more money than I'd ever given to what I thought was a great friend of mine. We've traded a few emails since and we're both slammed, but I'm so sad that I haven't even gotten any acknowledgement of our gift.
@KristenGotMarried: Don't feel bad about this. I had a June wedding, and I still have 40 TYs to write. I haven't forgotten them... in fact, I can remember from memory what most of those people got us..... I just haven't gotten around to writing them all yet.
So don't assume your friends forgot you just yet... or that they're not thankful... they may be more thankful than you realize.
I save all my most meaningful cards for last. All the people I care the most about, felt the most thankful about... those I do last, because I don't want to rush through them, and because I really want to write something meaningful.
I feel so trite and forced when I'm writing these letters, and for the ones that meant something... well, I just can't do those while I write all the others.
I'm with you OP - I too dislike generic thank you notes. I'd rather they just didn't send a note at all. To me, the point of a thank you note is to receive a personal little message acknowledging that they received the gift and possibly even letting me know how it's going to be used. I'm not a huge stickler for TY notes and don't really care that much if I get one...but if I do, I want it to be personalised. Otherwise, might as well just post a facebook status saying "Thanks everyone for attending our wedding and the gifts!" Just as impersonal.
I spent a LOT of time writing very personal thank you notes to each and every one of our guests, even the ones who didn't give a gift, as well as all of the vendors. I put an awful lot of time and effort into creating a note that would hopefully let our guests know how much we appreciated their attendance/gifts/thoughts and I hope our guests realise that.
@Ree723: Otherwise, might as well just post a facebook status saying "Thanks everyone for attending our wedding and the gifts!"
THIS!
I know I posted a thread about this a few months ago... how DH's cousin sent typed TYs for his open house, and just signed his name... and how you could tell that his mom wrote the typed message, and that she addressed all the envelopes, and that basically she did it for him and he just signed his name.
And, honestly, I felt the way you did... that it would have been less annoying to get no card at all. At least then I could blame it on him being a kid, and not on his mom for being (dare I say) a little tacky.
@mrsbruff2b:+1! I'd just be grateful to get a thank you card at all!
Just because ettiquette seems to be falling by the wayside still doesn't excuse poor ettiquette! Just because something is less-bad doesn't mean it's good or acceptable.
It's too difficult to take 5 minutes to think of something to say?! The person that gave you the gift took time to go to the store, pick something out (even if it was just choosing off your registery, they still have to look at the list and choose), and spend money on you.
Thank-Yous without personal handwritten messages are lazy and rude, IMO. To me, they scream "well, we couldn't be bother to take 5 minutes to properly thank you, you're not worth our time."
I think the 100s of dollars it cost to have someone at a wedding is a big enough thank you.......we haven't done our thank you's yet almost a year later.....not because we are lazy but because we are soo busy.
"I think the 100s of dollars it cost to have someone at a wedding is a big enough thank you......."
That is still for YOU, not for THEM. They don't care if cost you $10 or $1000 for them to "be" at your wedding, that's YOUR choice to spend that much money.
For many people, they attend because it's expected or polite, not because they are dying to attend; sure they may have a good time, but it's not like you are filling a void in their life or anything.
@abbyful: Um I think they prob enjoyed the 3 course fine dining, plus canapes plus 6 hours of free fantastic Suuth Australian wine and entertainment......
One of my nephews-in-law, who has apparently taken flak for being a male chauvenist pig, points out that the reason he opens doors for ladies, and takes off his hat when he talks to them, is not that they are ladies, but that he is a gentleman.
In things like the justice system, and sibling rivalry, and the workplace, having a double standard is a bad thing. But etiquette is all about having a double standard. A lady of quality has one standard to which she holds herself, not because it is expected or because other people might be offended, but simply because she is a lady of quality. But the highest standard of etiquette includes a sense of "noblesse oblige" that requires us to make allowances for other peoplw who, after all, might not enjoy the benefits that we all enjoy. They might not have been raised to the same standard, or they might be suffering from some hardship we don't know about but which we would certainly understand, if we did know.
So, a good response to that judgemental little voice at the back of the mind, is to redirect it in the effort of self-examination and good role-modelling. Have you written all your own thank-you notes, for birthday and Christmas presents as well as weddings? In addition to thank-you notes to vendors, have you provided appropriate bonus payments and business references (which are the appropriate ways of expressing gratitude in the business domain, equivalent to the thank-you note that is appropriate in the social domain)? Have you written all your bread-and-butter notes, including the ones you owe to the hostess of those weddings where you didn't get gift-thank-you notes? Have you issued your return-invitations for all the dinner-parties you owe to return the hospitality?
And if the answer to all you self-examination questions is "yes", then the exercise should replace your feelings of annoyance with pleasant feelings of self-accomplishment, and you can relax until the next challenge.
@simpleandchic - It doesn't matter if they "enjoyed" it, yes they probably did, but it was ultimately still for YOU than THEM. Send proper thank-you cards.
Especially with the older generation, it really matters. My grandma went to her hair-stylists's wedding (my grandma gets her hair done every single week), the girl never sent a thank-you to my grandma or any or her friends who also attended the wedding. When the hair-dresser got pregnant, guess what! No gifts from my grandma or her friends! They felt unappreciated and like they were "used", invited just for gifts. And on top of that they eventually all switched hair-stylists.
Heck, I'm in my 20s, and if I don't receive a thank-you card, when the next event comes up I'll still get them a gift, but I won't spend nearly as much on it as I would have if I had received a thank-you from the previous event.
Think about how some people are perceving your lack of thank-you cards/notes...
And late is better than never!
I would think that preprinted envelopes would be okay? It's A LOT of work to write out 100 envelopes. I think I'll waste my hand strength on the inside message.
Please tell me that printed envelopes are okay?
@PinkMagnolia: Envelopes are a business document, between you and the post office whose job it is to deliver the envelope. When it gets to its destination, the envelope's job is done and it gets thrown out.
I'm of the opinion that a neat and attractive pre-printed envelope is just fine, as long it observes the proprieties egarding the use of other people's names in a public business context, and as long the social proprieties are observed on whatever is inside the envelope -- even on (gasp!) the wedding invitation itself! After all, no-one who is objecting to the use of a laser-printer is going out and cutting their own pen properly from a goose-quill and dipping it in good black india ink, as my Auntie Vespasia's great-aunt no-doubt argued for when Auntie V. rebelliously decided to use a "modern" fountain-pen. Technology changes; thoughtfulness does not.
@petitfour: lol same, I've never gotten a thank you card! but I do agree that thank you cards REQUIRE a message.
I think some bees get a little too wound up about thank you notes. I would never have enough time to be annoyed that the thank you note wasnt personal enough. I'm sorry but I just think its such a petty thing to be annoyed about.
Thank you cards without a personal message annoy me so much. I've written thank you cards for my shower/wedding so I know it is not THAT difficult. Why should I be happy that someone managed to do the absolute bare minimum?
@simpleandchic: Wow.
It doesn't matter if your wedding was super upscale or a backyard BBQ, you still need to send personal thank you cards. Being sooo busy doesn't excuse it. Everyone is busy; it doesn't excuse you from being polite and expressing gratitude for the gifts you received. I imagine Kate Middleton is busy too, but I can guarantee you she sent thank yous to gift-givers.
@bells: I think some bees get a little too wound up about thank you notes. I would never have enough time to be annoyed that the thank you note wasnt personal enough. I'm sorry but I just think its such a petty thing to be annoyed about.
I AGREE. I feel like they'd find fault in a thank you note that Emily Post herself sent them (and then probably create a thread about it here to bash her). This isn't in response solely to this thread btw, but my reaction to several of these types of threads I've seen in this week alone....
Since Wedding Bee is so big on technicalities, I looked up the definition of GIFT:
"A gift or a present is the transfer of something without the expectation of receiving something in return"
I always send personal thank you notes, but look at the definition... A gift is supposed to be something the buyer gives to the recipient without an expectation of something in return. That would include thank you notes. Common courtesy says to send a thank you, so it's understandable to be surprised if you don't get one at all. But to go online and create a thread to vent and nit-pick that it wasn't the right thank you card? C'mon! Just get over it... If it causes you that much mental and emotional anguish, cut the person out of your life and stop giving them gifts.
@seven12 @bells totally agree! Would a more personal note be niceER? Sure. But any thank you is appreciated and even if I don't receive a thank you, I didn't give the gift to get a thank you (or anything else for that matter), I give the gift because I want to.
@simpleandchic: While writing a big pile of thank you notes can be a bit of a chore, I have to suggest that you work on the ASAP. You have probably hurt a lot of feelings by not sending them and you don't want people's memory of your wedding to be that you snubbed them by not expressing your thanks for their time and gift.
I agree that sending a typed generic "Thank you" is pretty rude, and if not rude then simply unthoughtful. I understand if you have a big wedding, but I personally would rather get a handwritten card 4 months later than receiving a xeroxed thank you two weeks after.
As far as people mentioning they ran out of personal things to say to people so a generic typed thank you would be easier... it's not like people compare their thank you's! Even if you were to hand-write "Thank you so much for ________. We were so happy to spend time with you, and are thankful you were able to share our special day" on every single card, it would still make people at least think you were being thoughtful!
@seven12: Sigh.
Yes, if you give a gift that means you don't expect a gift in return. But a thank you note is always the correct response to a wedding gift. It doesn't matter how the dictionary defines a gift.
@singasong: Right, but that's not what this thread is about... It's about a thank you photo card not being good enough. I'm entitled to my opinion, too and I feel like it's bad etiquette to critique someone's thank you card.
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