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    acost910    December 11, 2010  

    First off both mine and my fiances parents are paying for the wedding but neither of them have a lot of money. I am doing alot of diy projects and I want the photos to reflect the hard work and small details that we have put into it. I found a couple of photographers that i really like in the area but they charge $1000 and $1200. That price includes their time for the whole day, the prints, and copyright releases. I realize that that price is not expensive when it comes to photographers. My dad however thinks that that price is kind of rediculous. His quotes are "You are paying $1200 and all you are going to get out of it are some pictures." Lol... My dad is not really the romantic type and he is always logical and straight to the point.

    My dad's idea: We could buy 2 really nice cameras and have people we know take the pictures. In the end we have 2 new cameras and pictures for the same price. (He is actually willing to spend more for the 2 cameras than the photographers cost. We would probably be getting digital SLR Canon t1i or t2i.)We do not have any professional photographers on the family, but my uncle is pretty good. I would just be worried that he wouldnt get the small details.

    My dilemma: I want quality pictures that show the small details as well as the big picture, but the camera that i would be getting if i went with my dad's idea is the one that i have been wanting for years.

    What should I do?

     
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    stephanie63087    May 14, 2011   Fort Wayne, Indiana

    i would explain how important it is to you that a professional take your pictures. show him some websites where the prices are normal (2 - 4 thousand) and maybe hell realize u are getting a pretty good deal. :)

     
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    Pilotsgirl09    April 2011  

    Long response! Sorry! I'm passionate about photography!!

    Wow, this is a hard one. I can see why you are struggeling. In this situation since you and your FI are not paying for the wedding, the decisions all have to go through the parents. That can be hard when it's YOUR wedding but THEIR money. Is it possible to save any money between you and your FI? If so, aks your dad to put the portion he would have put towards the cameras into your photography budget. And when you sit down to have the conversation bring examples of the kind of photos you want.

    Tell him what they mean to you, and tell him you also understand he has different views about what pictures mean. What I can tell you about photos from weddings is that they are the only thing you have that capture the feeling, love, and inspiration of that day. the memories over time do fade, and my SO and I like you, want all the little details picked up from our wedding day. We had a civil ceremony in Jamaica and the pictures were HORRIBLE! The cameras were nice, but the photographers just did a point and shoot. It didn't feel special, it didn't feel like us. 2 weeks later he deployed to Iraq, and those photos are all I have of that day. Needless to say, I never look at them. They're not special.

    We are having a vowel renewal when he gets home and the photography is the single most expensive item for us. We went all out, and worked our "wedding" budget out for the extra costs. I think if they are paying for your wedding that is an amazing gift, but if there is something you really want, that they can't or won't provide, work hard and get it for yourselves. You two are worthit.

     
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    MissKimchi    January 11, 2011   Houston-ish, TX

    I promise you that the camera is only half the battle if you don't know what you are doing with that camera. If you don't take it off the "auto" mode, it's essentially just shooting with a point and shoot.

    True professionals know how to light those detials you've worked so hard on....

    I would stick to your guns and hire a professional...

     
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    brittromance    October 16, 2010   San Diego, California

    Photography is one area that I wouldn't skimp on. For us, it is the most important element of our wedding (besides my dress) and we definitely cut back on other things just so we could afford a great photographer. Trust your instincts and the professional photographer. You won't regret it...especially in twenty years.

     
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    LBPhotography    September 26, 2009   Denver, CO

    Photography has little to do with the camera and everything to do with the photographer. A good photographer could take better pictures with a point and shoot than someone in your family could with those xtis. Also the camera's you listed aren't professional and don't offer high enough ISO capability to shoot the reception without ugly on-camera flash that flattens images and makes them look like digital snapshots. I realize you want the camera, heck as a photographer I obviously LOVE CAMERAS and completely understand, but you can always buy a nice camera later down the road, you can't redo your wedding pictures. Tell your dad in 5 years those SLRs will be obsolete but wedding pictures are forever, then see him try to tell you which one has more long-term value. :P Good luck!

     
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    emb610    July 2011  

    I have the same problem. Our budget is really tight and my mom doesn't see the point in spending $1500 on the photographer we just booked. But I'm planning a ton of DIY projects so that I can afford the photographer we wanted. To me, photography was the one thing I'm not willing to skimp on - and really, $1500 is a pretty good deal for the quality of the photos we'll (hopefully) get out of it.

    If photography is important to you, I definitely wouldn't settle. I totally understand wanting your effort and details to be recognized...so make sure they are! And if you want the camera, you can always register for it. :)

     
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    acost910    December 11, 2010  

    Thank you everyone for your thoughts! I am going to discuss it with my dad and see if we can work out a deal.

     
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    ja7975    May 29, 2011   MA

    If it helps in persuading your dad, you can explain to him that you aren't just getting a bunch of pictures - you're getting all that time your photographer took to painstakingly go through your shots and adjust for light, color and finish them correctly so that they look fabulous. From what I know, this takes many many hours for which (including the time spent at your wedding) $1000 - $1200 is a decent compensation.

     
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    Georgia Bee    October 9, 2010   Atlanta

    With all the other money you are spending, those photos are the only thing you will have left when the day is over.  I understand the budget struggle--I am skimping everywhere I can but I am sticking to my guns on the photographer!!  My mother only has a couple of snapshots from her wedding and has regretted it for 44 years.  Another option is to try to hire a senior/masters student.  You are probably too far from Columbia College in Chicago but is there a university closer by with a good fine arts program?

     
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    Kemi82JP    June 12, 2010  

    Your dad's idea is awful and all I have to say is DO NOT COMPROMISE ON YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY!!!  What is the one thing you will be left with after the wedding?  Your photos!  Having a "nice" camera is one thing.  Being able to work it to its best ability is another.  Photographers charge for their expertise in lighting, framing, and knowing how to capture those sweet moments which they can only achieve through experience.  Having a couple friends take photos will never ever get the same result.  Plus, the type of cameras professional photogs use cost thousands of dollars, and for a reason.  so you guys will never get the same result with a couple higher end every day digital cameras, which is what I assume he is suggesting you buy.  His willingness to spend more on this is really silly, you MUST talk him out of it.  YOU will be the one regretting it in the end, YOU will be the one stuck with awful photos, not him.  Photography was at the top of my list of most important items at my wedding, it's not something to skimp on.  I am sincerely worried for you, please update us with the news that you are hiring a professional!  :)

     
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    ashleykaye15    January 8, 2011   Louisiana

    ooh that is a dilemma i think i agree with everyone saying talk to your dad about funding a photog budget for you and then i'd hit up craigs list and local colleges for up and coming photographers their work is usually just as good and sometimes a lot cheaper. i've got a friend from college doing ours all day for $500 plus a cd of the photos. In return she gets to use us on her blog so its win win maybe that'll help some

     

     
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    crayfish    September 11, 2010   Berkeley, CA

    No, No, No, No, NOOOOOOOOOOO. Nice camera equipment does NOT EQUAL GOOD PICTURES. First of all, two professional cameras are going to run around $1500 EACH for just a body and lens (and that is a lower end professional camera - Canon Rebels are NOT professional, by the way. My camera body w/o lens was about $2500). The flash you will need is another $350 per camera. The compact flash cards are going to run about $200+ for the amount you would need. Nd then, you have to have someone who actually knows enough about the cameras to use them in a way that skillfully captures your day. Photography is not the place to DIY. Seriously. It takes a lot of skill and an amazing eye to make it work.

    WHATEVER YOU DO HIRE A REAL PHOTOGRAPHER, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT YOURSELF. YOU DAD HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

     
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    crayfish    September 11, 2010   Berkeley, CA

    Just checked at the cameras you might buy "digital SLR Canon t1i or t2i" = not great digital SLRs. If you are going to shell out, at least get a Canon EOS 40D. Seriously.

     
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    Rocktsrgn    May 22, 2010   living in Tucson, wedding in Atlanta

    I totally understand your dilemma, but have to agree with PP's.  A great camera does not mean great photos, and if you want nice photos of your wedding, you need a professional photographer.  Or at the very least, a family member or friend who you KNOW can take great photos (because I don't really believe that only pros get great shots).  Try to talk your dad into the photographer, and you can save and buy yourself a nice camera later.  Or put one on your registry.  Wink

    Good luck!

     
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    MeaganNZ    October 10, 2010   Houston, TX

    Keep looking.  You DEFINITELY want a professional.  We found one who agreed to shoot the wedding, retouch 50 photos of our choice and give us a DVD with rights to all of the images (typically 800 - 1200).  We will then print the ones we want and make our own albums.  This cut the cost down to $800 (his basic package is $560 but we added in more hours and more retouches).  This helps us with upfront costs and allows us to do more after the wedding when we'll have more money to play with.

     
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    ArwenBride    December 4, 2010   Toronto, ON

    I agree with all of the above posters.

    The other thing to think about is to consider what would happen if you go with your dad's plan and the pictures are AWFUL.  One of my good friends decided to go with a friend's friend to do the photography at her wedding.  He had won a couple of awards for nature photography, so she figured that he would be able to do a good job with the photos for her wedding as she really wanted traditional posed photos and ceremony shots; nothing fancy...he agreed that he could do it for the low low price of $200.  The photos he took were awful...grainy and out of focus.  Not only that, but because this wasn't what the guy did for a living, he didn't have a multiple batteries for the camera and we ended up being really late for brunch because we had to keep stopping to let the batteries recharge...it was really frustrating for everyone (including for those waiting for brunch!)  The only reason why she has any decent photos of her wedding at all is because her dad got some great shots...but that meant the he wasn't in any of the pictures that were worth keeping.  

    At the end of the day, she was out $200, didn't have the photos of the ceremony that she wanted (or were usable) and it is SERIOUSLY awkward with this friend of a friend now.  She was really upset (I know that she cried a lot about this) because at the end of the day, this is what you're going to be showing your children and grandchildren.  I felt awful for her and don't want this to happen to you.

    I only tell this story because I think that you should also explain to your dad that if you have friends or family members take the photos (regardless of how nice the camera is or how good your uncle is with a camera) they are still family and friends...they aren't professionals.  What happens if they just decide to stop taking pictures?  What if they don't turn out?  Will you and/or your dad be upset with the friend/family member?  It's a lot of pressure to put on someone.  At the end of the day, you could end up with super nice cameras but no wedding photos.

    Let us know how it turns out.  I'm crossing my fingers for you!

     
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    QueenBecca037    04.05.09   Atlanta, GA

    Would you buy a gurney and some scalpels to hand over to a relative to do some surgery in order to save money?

    Although quite a dramatic comparison, on a smaller scale that's what your dad is asking you to do.

    You only get one wedding day and I strongly suggest that you trust your pictures to a professional.  

    Even if you did buy two decent cameras, chances are the relative you give them to won't be able to use them to their full capacity.

    A person who has never shot a wedding won't know how to anticipate what moment is coming next, how to corral a group of distracted relatives into an organized group for a formal portrait, or how to use off camera flash.

    I promise you will kick yourself after the wedding if all you have is family pictures.  Listen to the hive and stand up to your dad and (politely of course) let him know that pictures are important and you'd like a professional to take them.

     
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    RLondon    October 23, 1993   NYC

    Never have a friend Photograph your wedding, I go to many weddings and take photos but I am never the lead. When I work a wedding I do not enjoy it I am thinking and working continually, it is to much responsibility to ask of someone and as someone mentioned you will be disappoited in the photos so your relationship will be lost with that person. I agree also those are not even great cameras your talking about. Tell your Dad you need a camera ,lens and flash (many other things also) those cost way more than $1200. Here is a article I wrote on saving money:

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    And this will help you with a less experieced Photographer

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    Good Luck!

     
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    Lindsay05    August 21, 2010   Canada

    I'm thinking buying two really nice cameras will cost you close to the same price as the photographer! Plus you get the expertise and experience of the photographer themselves. They will also be able to do the editing of the final pictures. For me personally, the photographer was the most important investment. My parents were the same way with reaction to the price of a photographer. But with all do respect, they probably paid 100 bucks for studio pictures on their wedding day. Take a look at their pictures, i'd say not very good! haha. If you have a great photographer, they will be able to capture all of the moments of the day which a non-professional may not see. 

     
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    kristiwright    January 1, 2010  

    This makes me so sad. We live in such a digital age that people don't realize that professional photography is so much more than clicking a button. I hope you take the rest of the advice here and please hire a professional. Your wedding is not an event you can repeat! I have invested 1000s of dollars in my equipment. A Canon rebel will not work! It is not the same - not even close.

    Just like you aren't going to have your family and friends cook your food for you the day of the wedding, you should hire a pro to take the pictures.

     

     

     
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    karenski    April 10, 2011   SoCal

    @acost910:

    I agree with PPs, would just add that you also have to ask guests @ wedding to work...

     
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    msgraphics    November 13, 2011   nyc

    Go with the Pro but I would suggest passing on the prints if you are trying to save money.  Maybe they will cut the price down if you are only taking the digital copies.  Chances are it will be much cheaper to print your own. 

     
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    tinylittlebird    June 24, 2011   Indiana

    I think that buying cameras is a BAD plan. 

    I'm not telling you to pay out the wazoo for photos, either- FI and I are lucky enough that our very close friend is a professional photographer and is giving us a major deal, but even if we hadn't gotten a good deal, I still would have splurged on photos as much as my budget would allow. 

    Something else you might consider- are you near any colleges that offer photography? I know many students who are either majoring in photography or are just really good at it who tend to run a little cheaper starting out. Had we not used our friend, I would have absolutely been researching these people. 

    Even if you didn't get the exact same quality with a student as with the photographer you're looking at, you would at least get better quality pictures than if your uncle takes them with a non-professional camera. 

    Just a thought. 

     
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    USER876      

    Agree with above, a photographer makes the image, not the camera.  It's just the tool you use to capture the image.

    I once had a facebook comment on one of my images.....wow you must have a great camera!  The analogy I like to use is "Wow your hair looks great, you must of bought a great scissor!"

     

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