Photography Question… about rights and costs

posted 3 years ago in Photos/Videos
  • poll: What should I do?
    Nothing, this is normal. : (4 votes)
    15 %
    Nothing, this was kind of deceptive, but don't risk your wedding photos. : (8 votes)
    31 %
    Call and complain. : (12 votes)
    46 %
    Other - I'll explain. : (2 votes)
    8 %
  • Post # 3
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    545 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @CoCoCourtney:  If it wasn’t clear from the contract that engagement photo digital files cost extra, just say something like, “Thanks for sending this photo. I assumed that since we will be getting the files for our wedding, we would be getting the engagement photo files as well, so it’s not in the budget for us to purchase them.” It’s not a complaint, you’re just explaining your thought process.

    Post # 5
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    357 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: October 2013

    Without seeing your actual contract, it is most likely you get printing rights to your wedding photos, and are also purchasing engagement photos in your package.

    So you dont get printing rights to those. Though you can surely purchase them, or a few extra prints. We paid extra for digital files of a few of ours we especially liked and that was it.

    Post # 6
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    995 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2009

    I HATE this practice! It’s not entirely uncommon to include an engagement session in the package that the couple “isn’t paying for,” so you can charge them for the images piecemail after the fact. It’s called upselling, which is fine, but what is not fine is when photographers are not up front with what you will and wont receive when they take you out and take pictures of you they know you’ll get attached to, then try to turn a profit on your emotions.

    The last thing I ever want is for my clients to have to pay an extra dime they weren’t planning on after they book me. Every once in a blue moon I need to add extra album pages to tell the story and since those cost us money, we do charge, but clients can always cut down the pages they don’t want and not have any extra cost. Also, I try to keep it reasonable and not go way overboard. So sorry this was kind of long winded! BRIDES BEWARE THE “COMPLIMENTARY” ENGAGEMENT SESSION! Best of luck to you OP!

     

    Post # 7
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    6023 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: October 2013

    @PassionatePhotoLady:  I had a “complimentary” engagement session and I got over 400 pictures plus copyrights at no extra cost. So I wouldn’t beware of them, but maybe ask questions in regards to them. That’s pretty much common sense though. 

    OP, I would simply just state that you thought the rights were included because of the wording of the contract. The worst he/she could say is “no, the rights are only for the wedding pictures”. Hope it works out for the best!!

    Post # 8
    Member
    695 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: January 2014

    I used to do professional photography years back.  I would be nice about it but ask the photographer about this unclear issue.  Everything should be clear in the contract signed.  If its not clear then thats the photographers fault.  

    Post # 9
    Hostess
    24457 posts
    Honey Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2009

    I would definitely ask the photographer. We got CDs and a book printed for the engagement pictures and wedding pictures included in the price of our contract.

    Post # 11
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    3989 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: October 2011

    Wow, I’ve never heard of this.  Since it’s so uncommon, I wouldn’t explain to him that you didn’t understand and hopefully he’ll cut you a bit of a break.

    Post # 12
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    4893 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: September 2012

    I’m guessing, becaused you booked the engagement session seperate from your wedding package/contract, that you are bound by whatever the terms are for their sessions. So, if their session only includes one digital file, you’d have to purcahse the rest.

    I have no problem with photographers who choose to upsell, but they need to make it clear. I personally include digitals for both engagement AND wedding when a couple’s package includes an engagement session. 

    Post # 13
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    3344 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: April 2013 - Rhode Island

    We got screwed this way.  We were told our engagement photo session was complimentary.  They put the photos up online so we could see.  When they sent the wedding photos on a USB drive I asked where the engagement photos were.  They said the shoot was free but I’d have to pay another $300 plus tax to get the high res files.  So gay.  But at that point, I just paid it and didn’t say a word.  It was a small drop in the bucket and I just wanted the damn photos already!

    Post # 14
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    951 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: July 2014

    Oh gosh.  I just panicked a bit when I realized I hadn’t thought of the engagement photo images so I went back to read our photo contract and it explicitly states “wedding day photos” in the section packages including digital images.  Luckily, I checked the pricing sheet and the disclaimer that all packages include engagement photo sessions also states “including digitals of all images.”  Phew.  Good luck!

    Post # 15
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    631 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: August 2014

    @Christy42213:  You didn’t get screwed – this is a practice that some photographers use and others don’t. $300 is not much to pay at all for the shooting and processing/editing time put into an engagement session. Also, “so gay”? Really??

    @CoCoCourtney:  OP, if your photographer wasn’t clear, the smart thing for them is to err on the side of giving you the files and chalk it up to a lesson learned about having a tight contract. I hope this works out for you!

    Post # 16
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    695 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: January 2014

    @CoCoCourtney:  I mean let me see if I can give a shot at answering this…

    $300 dollars is not a lot in the photo world to spend on images.  The reason I assume the photographer is ‘only’ charging $300 is because he has already made a lump sum from you for the wedding images.  That said, copyright laws state the images belong to the photographer.  The photographer charges a ‘penalty fee’ if the bride in question wishes to have all rights to the images.  Meaning, you want the photos outright and you don’t want to contact that photographer every time you want a copy of a photo.  Photographers call this ‘releasing the rights’ to the bride in this instance.  The photographer does this because he/ she is loosing money because you will never contact him again for those wedding photo copies.  There is no more money to be made from his end.  In the photo industry this is not a good or bad practice – it just is what it is.  

    I do however feel whatever the photographer charges should be on the contract.  But, I will say photographers who do not list this on the contract is usually because the photographer does not wish to argue the point.  In this day and age of digital images clients tend to want ALL the images.  The photographer does stand to loose money giving all images.  

    Don’t kill the messenger…  Many photographers are of the belief that photographers who give all digital images to the client are hurting the industry for others.  This is most of the reason I stopped doing photography for a profession.  The digital industry changed things so much – to much.

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