Pro-Life Bees, when it comes to a woman's health…?

posted 3 years ago in The Lounge
Post # 3
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

I personally would say only if the mother was in obvious and immediate danger of death such as in the delivery room with absolutely no chance of saving both. If it’s a treatable problem then no I would be totally against abortion. And no I would not consider possible mental illness a reason for abortion because it’s treatable whereas abortion is obviously untreatable. 

Post # 5
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@Baimee:  A woman with mental illness can raise a child, but she would need a lot of medical supervision during the pregnancy and especially for the first year of motherhood.

It also helps if the mother is functioning well despite her mental illness before she decides to have a child. 

Just because a woman suffers from mental illness, it doesn’t mean she cannot live a normal life. It can be managed and go into remission just like any other illness. It just depends on severity and what the doctor decides with the patient. 

When it comes to your emotional reactions, it helps to think about how it would help your situation. Dumping all your dresses on the floor or drawing on your stomach isn’t going to solve anything. You are capable of learning healthy ways to handle your issues…it just going to take therapy and perhaps medication.

I have Complex PTSD from surviving a lot of abuse. As the years go by, I become more aware of my triggers and how to avoid them. I also keep a journal and write out my feelings to make sense of them. It helps a lot. 

 

 

Post # 6
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

@Baimee:  She can be treated and if not then hopefully others will intervene. I don’t think it’s any reason not to give the kid a chance. I really believe God has a plan for each and every human although it’s not always obvious. 

Post # 7
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2015

@PositiveThinking:

 

Hi~~ So I don’t personally suffer from mental health problems- but I’ve worked a lot with it in my profession.

 

I know many many women who can’t just “go into remission” with their mental illnesses. Mental illness is NOT like cancer- it’s an ongoing problem. I know people who are refractory to many many medications and that’s just the way their brains are.

 

I think that your experiences are amazing and bring hope to a lot of women. 

 

However, there are women that perhaps have refractory conditions or are in very unstable conditions. I feel that this is a legitimate harm to an unborn child and it should definitely be taken into consideration. I feel like it’s increadibly unsafe to bring a child into that kind of environment, especially if the mom is having a hard time taking care of herself 🙂

 

Post # 9
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: December 2012

Re: mental illnesses: Some are not treatable during/after pregnancy. The medication could threaten/damage the pregnancy or leech into breastmilk. So, no. Not every mental illness is treatable during or immediately after pregnancy, so the mother could very well endanger herself and her child. Especially when you tack PPD in the mix (hypothetically.)

Post # 10
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: January 2015

@Baimee:  Well, the idea of abortion for any reason makes me sad, but I try to remain realistic about it as well..

Obviously if a woman has a realistic chance of dying by carrying to term and doesn’t want to take that risk, she should be able to have an abortion. It’s two deaths or one in that case.

In the case of mental illness? If a woman was raped who had severe Down’s Syndrome or something like that where the mother would not be able to give that baby a life, I could see that being a reason, although in a perfect world, the caregivers of that woman would choose to have the baby adopted instead.

I am of the belief that there really isn’t a reason why a woman should want more to kill her own child than to carry it to term and give the child to someone who would love them and give them a good life. Infertility is rampant and so many couples would love to have a newborn baby to snuggle on. That being said, our regulations and laws surrounding adoption should be changed in order to make it more affordable to adopt a child. Do I have 10-30k just lying around to adopt a child? No, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t make a damn good mother.

Despite my hatred of abortion in general, I would never vote to have the clinics shut down or anything of that nature, because I know that abortions happen whether they are legal or not and I would rather women perform them safely and have access to options, than for women to die in back alleys and have babies being thrown in garbage cans.

Post # 11
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@Baimee:  

There’s nothing wrong with choosing not to have children. I hear you on the fear and aversion to pregnancy and childbirth; I have the same issue. It is good that you are aware of your feelings on becoming a mother. I was just pointing out that is is possible for a woman with mental health issues to raise children. 

Post # 12
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@limekitty:  

A woman with mental illness can certainly have long periods of time with no symptoms and optimal functioning. That is what I am referring to when I use the word remission. 

I realize not everyone with mental illness can go into remission. It has happened for me but it took many years of therapy and trying different medications. I also think that awareness and increasing maturity played a role. My family and friends compliment me on the positive changes I have made; my GAF score is 92. (I’m sure you know what that means since you work in the profession. Wink)

If a woman with mental illness is NOT having a hard time taking care of herself and her doctor feels that she could be a good mother, she can her have a child just like any other woman. Not everyone with mental illness functions poorly. I am surprised that you don’t know that since you said you work with those who have mental illness. 

 

Post # 13
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: March 2013

@Baimee: The laws regarding termination in Ireland are very strict. To the point that it caused the death of one woman who sought a termination when she was miscarrying. As the baby still had a heartbeat they refused and she died in the coming days.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

As a result of this case, an act was introduced allowing termination in certain circumstances, for example, if a woman was suicidal, or the woman’s life was at risk.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Life_During_Pregnancy_Act_2013

I don’t know if pro lifers would agree with this act. The problem I have is that it’s so bloody hard to figure out what line to draw. For example, if I discover my child had Edwards syndrome and are ‘incompatible with life’ and I have to make the difficult decision to travel to another country ‘in shame’ for a termination I’d be pretty damn angry. But they also don’t want people choosing to terminate, just because it’s inconvenient.

Post # 15
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: March 2013

@Baimee:  Oh wow! Your poor friend. That is a really tough decision. I had a mc recently and in some ways am glad the decision was taken out of my hands!

As far as ‘how suicidal’ a person needs to be I’m not sure. I think they have to be checked out by two professionals who sign off on it. I can’t remember exactly. Because its so complex

I actually got it wrong. The law was originall changed as a result of a young girl who sought a termination. She had been raped and wanted to terminate as she was having suicidal thought. 

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