quality of stone questions…

posted 3 years ago in Rings
Post # 3
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

I would send the stone in to GIA and get it graded.  It sounds like a feather which seems unlikely at a VS2 clarity (although it is possible.)   Either way, having the cert will give you a better idea of value and if you overpaid you can go back to the original seller armed with information to exchange or get a refund

Post # 4
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Bumble bee

Without a Gia cert it could be anything. And you said ithe color is graded an f-h that kind of worries me bc labs that grade a little off grade between colors which you shouldn’t. It should either be a f, g, or h. I would say you probably have an si1 or 2 stone with a lower color which is fine as long as your ok with it and you didn’t over pay for what you thought was something else. Also do you know what kind of cut it has? That is the most important thing. 

Also my center stone is Gia graded vs2 and it has a feather, but it is not visible to the naked eye. 

Post # 5
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236 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

I think it sounds like you got a “clarity enhanced” diamond – where they try to correct inclusions and other flaws. I do not usually recommend getting “enhanced” diamonds because it greatly effects value – but they are considerably cheaper. When ever I see akiller deal on a good sizeddiamond with good specs – it almost always ends up to be an “enhanced” stone

If the enhancementrepairs aren’t noticble then great – but it sounds like they are in your case (& many others I’ve read about).

ETA: if there is no grading report available how in the world can they tell you it’s VS2, F color, etc..???. Never take someone’s word on that, get a lab report.

Post # 6
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1157 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

@MirnaMinkoff:  Agree on the clarity enhancement. It sounds like a laser drill track. 

OP, I would send the stone to get graded by a reputable lab- GIA (preferably) or AGS. If the stone is clarity enhanced and they did not disclose that to you, then they should take it back and you should look elsewhere. 

Post # 7
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668 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: November 2014

It is hard to say without a report, but you could have a laser tunnel, a feather, a needle, or a twining wisp. Clarity grades reflect the relative level of inclusions in a stone but do not guarantee that they are “eye clean” unless they are graded flawless. This is why it is important to have a certificate and inspect the diamond under magnification so you can decide if the type and location of any inclusions is acceptable to you. Often, when a price is too good to be true, it is…too good to be true!

 

Post # 8
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1106 posts
Bumble bee

You definitely do not want a clarity enhanced stone. Def get it checked out op!

Post # 10
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: August 1997

@marhealy:  plz keep us posted.An experienced jeweler could tell if its clarity enhanced n give u a ballpark appraisal. Gia is best but they willwant the diamond only (will have to be removed from setting).

Personally, I would probably just get a certified gia gemologist locally to appraise the ring .

Best wishes

Post # 12
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1170 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2002

From my understanding, you should not be able to pick up something like that in a VS2, not even a SI2, for that matter!  My diamoind is SI1 and totally eye clean.  I would do a littler internet research and then confront the jeweler. 

Post # 14
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3375 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 1997

A reputable certification will not give a range on colour. The stone either is or is not an F or a G or an H. It cannot be all at the same time. The only reason to give a range on colour would be for an heirloom stone that the owner does not want removed from the setting, and all estimates on colour or clarity are best guesses when the stone is set.

So your stone does not have a reputable certification. Many jewelry stores carry this type of stone, with a small card declaring the colour and clarity. Those “certifications” or grades aren’t worth the paper they are printed on and are often significantly off. AGS and GIA are the most reputable labs, and they will provide a certification with an inclusion plot, stone angles, etc. 

It isn’t worth unsetting the stone you have to pay to send it to GIA. If it were a great stone, it likely would already have a GIA certification and a buyer would have paid a premium for that. Jewelers generally know when they can get good grading from GIA, and they will sell those stones with the GIA cert so they can charge more. Lesser quality stones are often sent to other labs, which will typically grade more leniently. Then the jeweler can sell the diamond as a higher colour or clarity (this is not always the case, of course, but it often happens).

Is there any way you can go to the store to see the inventory available? If a person is going to buy a stone that is not AGS or GIA certified, they should at least see it in person before buying (and while your MIL may have, you did not). VS2 can occasionally have inclusions visible to the naked eye, but they should not be as obvous as you describe.

Post # 15
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Helper bee

We have a rule over on Pricescope… never buy from a family member or a friend. More times than not, they will screw you over. 

Sigh 🙁
I’m so sorry.

Is there any way you can return the whole ring still? Or even just the diamond? Start from scratch? 

Post # 16
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 1997

You will have to have the stone unset and you will have to pay to have it GIA certified. Just FYI. A reputable jeweler ought to work with you if you are dissatisfied without you getting the stone GIA appraised. Regardless, the jeweler can easily claim that the stone meets the requirements for whatever its certification is, and that if it had been a GIA stone you would have paid more anyway. Other labs do not claim to grade the same as GIA, so the stone was not misrepresented if it doesn’t meet GIA standards.

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