Random: A philosophical question

posted 3 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: What's more "alive?"
    A butterfly (tiny, delicate, lives less than a year), an animal : (41 votes)
    39 %
    A sequoia (huge, strong, lives hundreds of years), a plant : (16 votes)
    15 %
    I can't even decide. : (27 votes)
    26 %
    Neither : (20 votes)
    19 %
  • Post # 3
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: October 2014

    Both are equally alive. I don’t think that anything can be more alive than something else unless one of the things your comparing is dead or an inanimate object. 

    Post # 4
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: February 2014

    I say butterfly because it’s thinking flying around, thinking, moving, etc. 

    Post # 5
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2010

    I think “alive” is an all or nothing thing, not a scale.  The opposite of alive is dead, not inanimate.

    Post # 6
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: February 2015

    I agree.. if something is not alive then it is dead/was never living. I don’t think it’s a scale. I dont think sentience makes something more alive. 

    Post # 8
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    Bee Keeper

    An insect is more “alive” than a tree, because it has a higher state of consciousness, due to a more complex network.

    For example, it has a brain. It may or may not have the capacity to feel pain. (I don’t know my insects and whether they have pain transmission networks or not).

    Between the two is a jellyfish. It has no brain, but it has a more complex system than a tree.

    Above the insect is a creature with a more compex brain, like a dog. This creature can definitely feel pain, and a variety of other emotions (e.g., contentment, loneliness) and mental states (e.g. loyalty, sense of duty, sense of betrayal).

    Humans are the most “alive” thing I know of, because they have a very complex brain are the only things that have self-consciousness: thoughts and feelings about the self as distinct from the world and mortal on this earth. And sober, clear-minded, high IQ people are the most alive of all… that includes Stephen Hawkings as extremely “alive” so long as his mind is clear, even though he does not show a main external characteristic we usually associate with living things (self-induced movement).

    Post # 9
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2012

    @joya_aspera:  I was kind of going along with it until you said humans are the most “alive”. brain capacity does not indicate “aliveness”, you are not more alive than someone who is dumber than you, or deader than someone smarter.

    also pretty sure jellyfish are smarter than butterflies!

    and just because we can’t talk to other species, how can we truly measure their intelligence? you said Stephen Hawking is more alive than regular folk even though he’s a vegetable; maybe the thousand-year old trees are more alive than all animals, and just think thoughts beyond our understanding.

    Post # 10
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    Bumble bee

    @SapphireSun:  This

    Plants responds to stimulants as well, definitely alive.

    Daniel Chamovitz studies plants’ behavior extensively.

    Post # 12
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2012

    there’s different complexities of life, but I don’t think there’s different degrees of living. you’re either alive, or dead. the one thing that falls between would be a virus. even bacteria would be quite alive!

    Post # 13
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: January 2014

    I vote animals.

    Animals have brains, trees don’t.

    Post # 14
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: January 2014

    I vote animals.

    Animals have brains, trees don’t.

    Post # 15
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

    I second PPs. The opposite of alive is dead, not inanimate. There isn’t a shifting scale of “aliveness”, only a shifting scale of animacy.

    Post # 16
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: July 2014

    Butterflies scare the crap out of me, so they lose automatically.

    But on a serious note, I don’t think there is a spectrum of what is more alive.

    If that were the case, I would say I know some people who are “less” alive than jellyfish lol

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