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Rant. Outdoor cat owning neighbours

posted 6 months ago in Pets
  • poll: If you have a cat(s) are they...
    Indoor cats and only go in their litter box : (74 votes)
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    Indoor and outdoor. Sometimes use the litter box. : (15 votes)
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    Indoor and outdoor. Only go to the bathroom outside. : (7 votes)
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    Outdoor. : (1 votes)
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    Indoor and outdoor. Only uses litter box. (Thanks @Roe) : (8 votes)
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    I am beyond frustrated with my neighbours. I spend a lot of time and money trying to make make my flowerbeds look nice, only to have them filled with cat feces all the time. Not to mention the lovely urine smell. All of the mulch I have taken the time to spread out evenly is kicked around while the kitties enjoy their huge litter box. They even shit on our lawn!

    A couple of years ago I gathered A LOT of cat poo from my gardens and I added some from our litterboxes and put it in a bag. In the middle of the night I took the bag full of crap and spread it through one of the offending neighbours flowerbeds. Mature I know...but it made me feel a lot better.

    It just pisses me off. I have tried moth balls and various other methods but nothing works. I realize this is not the cats fault, but the irresponsible owners. I have spoken to them about it, explaining that I understand since they choose to let their cats run free they really can't control where the cats go to the bathroom but that I would appreciate if they would come over once in awhile and pick the feces up. Honestly, this would have been a great compromise. They have never come over.

    We have 2 dogs that I pick up after everyday. And we have 2 indoor cats whose litter box's I change. I shouldn't have to pick up everyone else's shit too. It must be nice to never have to do those things.

    End of rant. I'm adding a poll because who doesn't love a poll? Smile

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    You sound like my neighbour from when I was growing up. She was so horrible to us about our cat that she actually threatened to catch him, drive him out to the country and leave him there.

    He was already used to being able to go outside when we adopted him and he would have been miserable to be kept inside. In the end we decided to rehome him to some friends who lived in the country. He wasn't there long before he escaped and was never seen again (presumed dead). 

    Please don't be like my horrible neighbour who got my cat killed. 

     
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    Rachael432    July 13, 2012   Chicago, IL

    That is extremely rude of them. Especially if they have been made aware of the situation. My cats are inside cats and only go in the house (not necessarily always in the litterbox, lol) but if they went outside and pooped in the neighbor's garden, we would clean it up. Just like they always clean up when their dog poops in our yard, and when we are dog sitting, we pick up when the dogs we sit poop in their yard. 

     
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    Rachael432    July 13, 2012   Chicago, IL

    @Lemma: Um, seriously. That was ridiculous. I'm sorry about your cat, but all she's asking is that they clean up after it.

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @Rachael432: How? Cats bury their waste. Does she want the neighbours to come over and dig around in her garden seaching for poop?

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @Lemma: I am sorry about your cat but re-read the post. I am nothing like your neighbour.

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @kelmac: I read it and I'm glad that you haven't graduated to threats yet, but I still don't understand how you expect them to either control their cats or find buried poo without further disturbing your garden.

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @Lemma: Its not difficult to find. Some of it may be "buried" but the majority of it is laying right on top. And the little bit that may be buried is easy to find because the mulch is all disturbed.

    My cats don't even bury their poo in their litter box. They leave it right on top. I wish they would bury it so it didn't smell as bad lol.

    This wasn't meant to start a fight.

     
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    Roe    June 9, 2012   PA

    None of the above. Indoor/outdoor cat, only uses the litterbox.

    ...clearly, I love a poll :)

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @Roe: Oh, I will add that option. Thanks.

     
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    MissMaggieMae    January 13, 2012   Austin, TX

    i am so tired of crazy cat people. i don't know why people think just because they want a cat that it is okay to inconvenience everyone around them. if you own a cat, it is your job to clean up after it and care for it. end of story.

     
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    Roe    June 9, 2012   PA

    @Lemma: She really isn't asking a lot. It really wouldn't be that hard to clean up after the cats, even if they weren't very thorough--it would at least be a show of respect. And nothing in the OP's post indicates that she would ever, ever threaten an animal.You're being a little harsh.

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @kelmac: I know it wasn't meant to start a fight, but it struck a nerve with me. I just can't understand how some flowers can be more important than an animal. My neighbour's garden was important enough that my cat ended up dying for it. 

    If the poo is easy to see, then it is a bit more reasonable to expect them to pick it up. I still don't think you should expect them to dig it up though, because they might hurt your plants and then you'll have further troubles. 

    It also seems like you have the issue of multiple neighbours with cats, so it will be difficult for them to feel the need to assume responsibility. Maybe you could ask to make a schedule where they take turns cleaning it up. 

     
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    pinkshoes    July 2011   MA

    ooooohh.. I'd be pisssed too.  I'd keep picking up the shit and throwing it back on their front steps until they cleaned up after their cats if they are causing such a disturbance on your property.  I'm pretty sure I'd have a really short fuse and zero tolerance.  I deal with enough crap of my own to even want to deal with someone elses... I'd probably sit there and shoot little rubber pellets at them till they learn to stay away. 

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @Roe: She's already overreacted by taking the bag of poo and putting it in a neighbour's garden. What's to stop her from getting more upset and threatening people?

    Also, if you had followed the conversation, you would see that I thought the cats would be burying their poo like most normal cats do. That's not easy to clean up. 

     
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    Roe    June 9, 2012   PA

    @Lemma: I had been following, but I had responded to you before you made your last comment recognizing that the mess was on top.

    Its incredibly disrespectful to insinuate that someone would be capable of hurting an animal over landscaping, especially to someone that owns and probably loves their own pets. I get your point, but your intital phrasing was inflammatory and uncalled for.

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @Lemma: Seriously? I am not going to graduate to threats and I don't value plants over an animal's life. You need to stop jumping to conclusions and quit insinuating that I am some horrible cat-murdering person.

     
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    pinkshoes    July 2011   MA

    @Lemma: Oh that's a bit harsh, I dont think it was over reacting.  OP acknowledged that it wasnt exactly the best thing to do with her little sarcastic "mature, I know"... so its kind of a huge leap to go from that to threating them.  Overreacting would be whipping out a bb gun and shooting at them.

     
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    Aure    October 6, 2012   Las Vegas

    @Lemma: I think you're projecting. Asking someone to clean up after their animal is in no way inappropriate.

    My kitties are inside cats and only use the litterbox. I lost two childhood cats too early because of the perils of the outdoor world and I'm not willing to let it happen again.

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @Roe: My neighbour was an animal owner and used to be a vet. That doesn't always make people reasonable about other people's animals. 

     

    @kelmac: Threats are not the same as actually doing it. I never said that you were a cat murderer. I'm glad you don't value plants over an animal's life. I'm sorry that you have taken such offense here, but even you admit that your very minor act of vandalism was immature. I have disagreements with my own neighbours, but I have never resorted to even a very small act of vandalism. I tried to suggest a way for you to deal with the neighbours in a more mature way, but you haven't responded to that part. 

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @pinkshoes: "Overreacting would be whipping out a bb gun and shooting at them."

    Like a different poster on here joked about doing. You see how easy it comes to some people. I don't know kelmac at all, so how was I to know that she wasn't one of the people who would do such a thing? I am very happy to learn that she isn't. 

     
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    BrightGreen    August 18, 2012   Canada

    I've heard that people have success with putting chicken wire just below the surface of their mulch - maybe try that? We always had outdoor cats growing up but I have no idea where they did their business because no neighbours ever said a thing about it, and they weren't doing it in our garden...

    Also from your OP it sounds like your neighbourhood is overrun with a cat gang! I mean, my two cats don't really create all THAT much poop! They must be like, exclusively relieving themselves in your garden. :P

    My weird little cat actually managed to poop in one of our large potted plants one day while we were at work. Gross. So we covered the top layer of dirt with large rocks. Maybe it's time to turn your mulch garden into a more cat-unfriendly rock garden? Easier to weed! Ha.

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @Lemma: Yes, it was immature and if it makes me a vandal I'm OK with it. In that case my neighbours vandalize my house every day.

    As for your "more mature suggestion" of dealing with my neighbours...while it sounds great in theory, if I can't get them to come over even once I doubt they will follow a schedule. I approached them once and I don't want to harass them.

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @kelmac: Your neighbours' cats vandalize your house. It's not the same. They do it out of biological need and you did it out of purposeful anger. I hope you can understand the difference and I'm really not trying to be snarky in saying that.

    The schedule was meant to deal with issue of it not being clear whose responsibility it was. Each neighbour probably thinks that it is the other neighbours' cats who are the problem and therefore they don't need to deal with it. Maybe you could get them all together and talk about it as a group. Explain that you have seen each of their cats in your garden and that you need to work out a schedule. 

     
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    AlmostMrsDoc    June 8, 2012   Toronto, Ontario

    Kelmac: I'm so sorry you're going through all this hassle!! My parents have a cat who I love dearly (I grew up with her).  I voted "indoor/outdoor but only uses litterbox".  We have a fenced in backyard; when she wants to go outside, she has the option: into a safe, protected space.  However, I have never EVER once found poop anywhere outside the litter box (except when it's right beside the box because we've slacked on the cleaning... oops!).  I'd be absolutely livid with your neighbours; it's bad pet-keeping, and they're totally putting their cat into danger.  If the cat can get into your flowerbed, who's to say that she can't find her way under a car?? I'd honestly keep placing the poop on their lawn or poarch to get the message across.  It is, in fact, 'their property'... you're simply giving it back to them ;)

    On perhaps a more useful note: there are powders or sprays that you can use to keep small animals - including cats - out of the flower beds.  I know there are kinds that are NOT HARMFUL to the animal, it just discourages them to go there.  The cat has made your flowerbed it's litterbox; it has the scent of urine already, and so if you don't change something up - it's just goign to keep happening.  Good luck :) xox

     

    @lemma: I think your posts are completely irrational.  First of all, how is it that your neighbour caused the death of your cat? If anything, it's your friends' fault.  I also don't understand what you mean by "he escaped and was never seen again (presumed dead)".  Escaping assumes that he was kept in captivity - i.e. NOT an outdoor cat.  If your friends kept him in captivity (even if it's in the form of a closed in fence), why couldn't YOU do the same thing... therefore sparing your neighbor the headache?  Kelmac has not done ANYTHING wrong.  The cat is damaging her property, and she's looking for a solution.  Cat's are property, and as such, the owners are responsible for their actions.  Simply stating that it's an "outdoor cat" does not absolve them of this responsibility. 

    Lastly: where do you see Kelmac saying that there are several neighbours involved in this issue?  I've only seen her referencing one.  In that case, your 'suggestion' makes no sense, unless you're implying that Kelmac should clean up the poop half the time.  That's not her job, but rather, the cat's owners.  So I don't see your suggestion as helpful, because at its best, it boils down to what she's already trying to do: talk to the neighbours.  

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @AlmostMrsDoc: Easy questions first. In kelmac's orignal post she mentions owners, plural. The schedule was meant to include only the neighbours, not kelmac herself. 

    As for my cat, they were keeping him inside for the first few days so that he could get used to the move. He escaped during the period where he was still adjusting to his new home, and he basically ran away. 

    I say that my neighbour caused his death because if she hadn't threatened to do something terrible to him, we wouldn't have had to rehome him.

    ETA: I suppose owners could mean just one couple. The other reason it seemed like there were multiple households is that as somebody else mentioned that it sounds like there's way too much poo for just one or two cats. 

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @BrightGreen: I have heard of the chicken wire thing but I don't think it would work for us and I wouldn't want to hurt the cats. There is less poop now than there was a couple years ago because one neighbour had 4 cats but she has since moved. Although she didn't take her cats with her but that's another story. LOL at the cat gang! maybe I should be honored they want to go in my lovely gardens! And that's a cute story about your cat in the pot. Its really funny how they can be so creative sometimes, and yet completely miss the litter box other times.

     

    @AlmostMrsDoc: LOL @ It is, in fact, 'their property'... you're simply giving it back to them ;)  Good point! They should be thanking me! Smile I have tried several powders, but no sprays. I should keep looking I guess. We looked into a motion sprinkler system but it wasn't cheap.

     
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    KatM    May 26, 2013  

    @kelmac: I've heard of sonic deterrants, which are motion activated and only heard by animals. Also I think there are motion activated sprinklers which connect to a hose (i think) and spray for about a minute when activated. Might not be a good idea when it's cold out, but after a few sprays i think they'd get the hint and move on.

     

    Lemma: To me it sounds like a large part of the problem is that her neighbors aren't even trying to pick up any of it. Even if they were only getting some of it, it'd be a nice gesture of goodwill that they cared at all that their cats were destroying a neighbor's property. 

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    Yes there are multiple owners. At this point there are 2 neighbours (3 cats) that I know of. Another owners cat recently passed away of old age, and there was the one with 4 cats. Also, there is a random I see every now and then but I don't know who it belongs to yet. There may be more...

     
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    Lemma    June 9, 2012   Ontario

    @KatM: I agree. I just think that they will be more likely to try to pick up some of it if kelmac can find a way to stop them shifting responsibility in their heads. 

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @KatM: Thanks. I will have to look into the sonic deterrant. I wonder if it bothers dogs and squirrels ears etc. because I wouldn't want it to. And you are right. All I would like is a little effort on their part.

    Keep the suggestions coming. I'm going to walk my dogs now. Maybe I will take poop bags...maybe I won't Wink

     
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    mrscheetos    June 10, 2012  

    @Lemma: Really? I doubt OP wants this cat to get killed. I highly doubt you'd appreciate if someone elses pet took a shit all over your lawn. 

     

    OP, you need to bring up this concern with them again and again until they do something about it. Be relentless.

     
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    I would suggest that you just let it go. Over the years I have found that stressing out about things you cannot control causes you more problems than just taking the few minutes to do it yourself.

    It's the same as any other thing that someone does that presses your buttons. Your co-workers leaving the litchen at the office a mess? Hubby not putting the toilet seat down?

    You can stew about these things and let your blood pressure be affected, or you can just make a conscious choice to not let it affect you. You can't control what other people do ( or don't do) but you can control your own reaction.

    Clearly your neighbours are not about to change and all of a sudden start cleaning up after their cats.

    ps Feel free to vent here anytime- that can help too.

     
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    misskoala    July 23, 2011   married in Georgia/living in Portland, OR

    I would try talking to your neighbors again. Is the poop or urine killing your flowers? I understand that you don't like to dig it up while gardening, but your argument is keeping your flowerbed looking nice.

    Would you be reacting the same way if the cats were strays? Or do you feel like this because you think the owners should come by and go through your flowerbed once/week which it sounds like you wouldn't be happy with that either.

     
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    BrightGreen    August 18, 2012   Canada

    I don't think the chicken wire would hurt them, it would just make them uncomfortable. The internet tells me it works! I know my dad always used it on the bushes in our front yard during the winter to stop the deer from eating them. They try it once, they don't like it, and they move on!

    And I agree, you must have a wonderful garden if they enjoy it so much, haha! I guess that might also be why my cat preferred my potted fir over her perfectly good litter. But I also think she just wanted to show off for the other cat. ;)

     
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    ebet24    May 20, 2012   Nashville, TN

    This would drive me absolutely nuts! I'm going to go on a rant, feel free to ignore. Nothing pisses me off more than people who do not clean up after their pets. I used to work in a daycare right next to a park and my 2 year olds would go running through the park, only to step in dog crap. As for the cats, I am in a similar situation. In our state, apparently if you want to keep animals out of your yard, it is your responsibility to put up a fence to keep animals out. This is complete crap; it should be the pet owner's responsibility to put up a fence to keep their animals in. I don't have animals because I do not want a yard full of crap!!!

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    @BrightGreen: I just wonder if it would make it difficult to weed etc.? Some of the beds are fairly wide so I have to go into them. And if you want to plant another shrub you would have to lift it out. Unless I only did maybe 1 foot in? Maybe that would be easier? It sounds like a perfect solution for deer.

    @misskoala: No its not killing the flowers but it stinks and its disgusting. Plus its a hygiene/health issue for me and my other pets. I used to allow my cats to come out on the front porch with me once in awhile and they would wander around in one of the beds. I can no longer do that because of the cat urine and feces that is there. I am scared that there may be fleas etc. in there, and maybe they could catch something from the feces. Probably irrational, but you never know. And my dogs will eat it if they find it. Sick but true. And I refuse to believe that is OK.

    I would still be frustrated if they were strays but I wouldn't have anyone to blame except the cat-and I don't blame the cats. And I would love for the owners to come over and pick up the crap. That is my point.

    @julies1949: You are 100% completely right.

     

    @ebet24: That is NOT acceptable. What a rediculous law!

     
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    novemberstorms09    August 19, 2011  

    @kelmac: Just a few tips: the chicken wire is super effective (In my case at least) and does not hurt the cats. Also, try spreading orange peels! Growing up, my mom would put chopped up orange peels in her garden and the cats avoid it like the plague! I used this at our old place when the kittehs were using inappropriate areas as a bathroom. Works like a charm!

    Just a few tips that I hope help! :) 

     
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    moosey    September 22, 2012   Ontario

    Can you call the local pound/bylaw officers? That's what we did when we had a neighbors dog constantly pooping on our front lawn. He was basically abandoned outside by his owners - bylaw took him, cleaned him up & rehomed him.

     
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    Ms Mini    July 17, 2010   Medicine Hat, AB

    I was also going to suggest calling animal control/bylaw. Here we have laws against letting your cat run loose onto other people's property. If the cat is trapped on someone elses property you either pay a hefty fine (around $200) or the cat is adopted out. It will only take the owners paying once ot twice before they start keeping their cats indoors (where they are safer anyways). Otherwise, the cats have a chance at a better home at least.

     

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