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Sounds like he's got a fair bit on his plate and you aren't letting him show you he will do things he promises to do.
If he said he'd find a counselor this week, don't ask him about it until the beginning of next week. If he wants to do his research Sunday that's fine. It sounds a bit like you are nagging him to do things and not letting him then do them on his own time (within the agreed upon time frame).
Also, what are the issues you want him to go to counseling for? Is it something he feels he need to/wants to work on as well? Or is he going just because you told him to?
As for the ring, if you have the contract for it, could you help him out by calling and seeing what's going on?
I sometimes fall into a pattern where all I do is ask/tell/remind DH to do things and he gets a bit defensive and upset because some are things I could be helping with, and other's he's promised to get done and the "deadline" for doing them isn't past yet.
Also, I'm not really seeing how he's being passive agressive.
@KatNYC2011: Word. I totally agree with your post.
Honestly, I don't have much to add to what Kat said. She did a good job expressing what I was thinking. I agree that you need to take a breath and step back and give him a chance to do things without you jumping all over him.
sorry i didn't explain very well: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/just-feels-like-he-doesnt-want-me
i would call for him, but i am always the one doing the research for him etc, i had to do tafe research for him, i even had to look up proposal stuff for him. he avoids doing things he has agreed to do, and then blames me for getting upset. before he said that if i wouldn't get upset so much there wouldn't be any problems. i pointed out that there still would be problems and he said 'yeah but i wouldn't know about them.'
he would be going to a counsellor for his passive aggressiveness, shutting down, blaming me, not expressing how he really feels, 'forgetting' things, making up a million excuses and making himself out to be the victim.
i have purposefully avoided bringing it up until now, and i didn't ask him if he had done it yet, i just said that hopefully the counsellors can help him, and he said he hadn't done the research yet.
but i am tired of doing all the work for him, he needs to step up, sorry i didn't make it clear that i am the one doing things pretty much all of the time
and usually things don't get done UNLESS i keep bringing it up or do it myself.
@Jacqui90: Hmmm... It sounds a bit like you are enabling him to not do anything since you always end up doing it for him.
Are you sure he really "wants" to do these things? Or is he just going along with it because you are pushing so hard?
If it were me, I'd just take a step back and stop doing things for him. If he really wants to do something, he'll eventually get around to it. Do you really want to be in a relationship where you always have to do everything for him?
Has he ever lived on his own/had to do things for himself? If he's always been "taken care of" by either his parents or an SO he may not have yet learned how to really take care of himself and what the consequences are of him NOT taking care of himself.
As hard as it may be, I'd just stop asking, reminding, or doing anything for him. Things may not get done in the time frame they are supposed to, but you need to let go of that and let him take responsibility for himself.
If after a while he STILL doesn't and continues to let things slide/not care about them, it may be time to re-evaluate the relationship.
It worries me that you had to do research for him on proposals. It's a bit of a red flag that he wasn't motivated by wanting to marry you to do that himself.
and yeah he said he wanted to improve for this relationship. and when earlier he said the 'if you werent upset there wouldnt be problems' and i pointed out he was being passive aggressive again, blaming me, he said that he didnt care, and threw his phone across the room. then did it again in a later conversation
@Jacqui90: If he says he wants to improve it, let HIM do the legwork.
He lets things slide because you allow him to, you always pick up the pieces so there's no incentive for him to do it himself.
Stop always picking up his pieces and take care of yourself. Let him find out the consequences of letting things slide. I know it will be hard, but it's the only way it sounds like he will learn.
To me it sounds like you're attempting to change who he actually is, and that never works. He sounds like an unmotivated procrastinator and you end up doing everything because you don't want to wait. No amount of counseling will make him like you.
@mwitter80: I agree 100%.
You cannot force someone to change.
@mwitter80: i am not trying to make him like me, he does like me, he loves me, and wants to spend his life with me.
@KatNYC2011: you're right, i do need to trust him to do things. i suggested before that he look at counselling and he agreed, and looked a few places up while he was here and we talked about counselling as a possible first step that he may be more comfortable with. and i know he can do things, i just need to trust him to do them. a while ago we were talking about a cake for our upcoming engagement party and he said he could order it, then one night later he asked me if i wanted him to go ahead and order it, i said yes sure, and he went ahead and ordered it, i don't even know what kind of cake it is, he wants to surprise me :) thanks for putting me in my place and making me realise i need to let go, and work on improving myself and how i handle things :)
@Jacqui90: I think mtwitter meant make him like you as in make him proactive like you (if that makes sense).
I know it's hard to let go when you see him letting things slip, but sometimes you need to let him miss some deadlines or accidentally let some things slip so he learns there are consequences to not doing things (rather then him knowing you will always pick up the slack).
Good luck!
@Jacqui90: I meant you can't make him BE like you. You seem to do things right away. Get them done and out of the way. He is not cut from the same cloth.
@KatNYC2011: thanks, sorry way misunderstood there lol.
yeah it's tough, read an article about dealing with passive aggressiveness, and how it often stems from having a dominant mother and reclusive/distant father, and that is so true for my FI. Up until I put my foot down a year ago, his mum would clean his room and make his bed for him, still does his washing. But I want to stop that pattern, and make sure our kids do not follow in our footsteps, i want to make sure i give him a chance to improve, i need to start focusing on my own life, hanging out with my friends more and perhaps join a gym or take my dogs for walks :) thanks so much for the support :)
watching ghost whisperer, jim just died, makes me realise how precious each moment is with the one you love. makes me realise that i need to work hard to make sure each moment is as happy and as special as possible, because you never know when it will be the last.
When I first started dating my ex, I had all of these "expectations" on what makes a perfect boyfriend. I would tell him all the time what I expected of him, and when he didn't follow through, I would get very upset and it would lead to constant fighting. I expected him to be someone he wasn't just to fit into the mold of what I believed was perfect and in the end it was just exhausting for both of us.
When I matured and started dating DH, I learned to ease up and appreciate the differences in our personalities instead of trying to fit him into a mold of perfection. I'm a researcher and a planner and a go-getter. He's laid back and believes that everything will come in time. I learned that if I wanted something done by a certain time, I would have to do it myself. But I now rely on him to calm me down and ground me and enjoy life instead of trying to drive right through it. In return, he now realizes when something is really important to me and will step up in those instances to make me happy, but it's never something I expect so it's always a wonderful surprise. We balance eachother out and we've both become better people because of it.
If you force him to become someone he's not, I guarantee he will end up resenting you in the future. Give him a chance to grow on his own and embrace your differences and learn how to use your strengths to work together to achieve COMMON goals. That's the only way a relationship will work.
@CanAmBride: thank you. i just find it hard to trust that he will follow through and improve, based on all the broken promises in the past, even the most important ones
@Jacqui90: I'm sorry, but if you can't trust that he will grow and mature throughout your relationship, than you shouldn't be marrying him. Marriages are all about growing and changing together, and trusting that that person will be able to support you through all of life's challenges. If you don't trust that he will be able to do this, you need to re-evaluate if he is the right person for you.
He doesn't have to be perfect, but you need know in your heart that the two of you will be able to face all of life's challenges as a strong, unified team.
I hope you dont take this the wrong way, BUT, it sounds like you both could benefit from counseling (individual and couples). Sounds to me like you need to be in control and he is used to having the woman in his life doing everything. You 2 chose each other for specific reasons but Im not sure they are all the healthiest.
My last relationship was similar and I learned that I dont want to take the place of someones mother. It was exhausting and frustrating. Part of why I adore my current SO is that he is a complate, healthy adult which challenges me to step up and also be a complete, healthy adult. It means I have to let go and give him control of things which is SCARY, but he's capable of doing things just as well as I am.
@Beautiful Bluegrass: thank you :) i have been talking to an online counsellor at my university about study issues/breakdowns/health and due to make a face to face appointment soon, so i can hopefully talk to her about relationship issues, i think it's important that we each have an individual counselling session with a counsellor before going in together, but definitely think we would need counselling together also, get a third perspective and help us understand where each other is coming from better :) you're definitely right, i like to be in control, and i want to be his wife, not his mother, i just need to relinquish control, which will be really difficult
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The other night we had a discussion and I said I couldn't keep giving him chances, and he had to show me he was willing to work on his behaviour and show some sign of improvement by the end of March or I would leave. He agreed to talk to a counsellor, i said he had to do the research for him to go see a counsellor, i wouldn't look them up for him. He agreed to look them up this week.
We were talking about how he doesn't express his feelings much, and i said that hopefully the counsellors he has researched could help him with that. (I figured he hadn't done the research yet) And he said he was going to do it on Sunday night. This week ends on Sunday, I pointed out that he was leaving it to the last minute. He asked why I think that, I said that sunday night is the end of the timeline within which he said he would do the research. He said that i was calling/thinking our relationship was a timeline. What the hell? Um no, just a timeline is a time within which you plan on getting things done, i don't want him leaving it to the last minute. He said he will try to do it tomorrow night (try...)
Get this, when I asked him why he hadn't done it yet, he said that he was busy organising other things. ok what was he so busy organising that he couldn't do what he promised to??
And we have to contact Tiffany & Co about the valuation certificate for my engagement ring. When he picked the ring up they said it would arrive in 4-6 weeks, tomorrow it will have been 8. i suggested he call them about it, they haven't responded to his emails yet. He said he tried to call them tonight, being Thursday he said late night shopping. um yeah, in the suburbs of our city it's late night on Thursdays, but in the centre of town, where Tiffany's is, it's Friday, which he knows because we have gone in to the city many many Friday nights for late night shopping. Sometimes I don't know why I bother