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    anon09    January 9, 2017  

    Gone anon for obvious reasons. I'm a regular poster and the last few weeks several things have happened making me seriously consider calling off our wedding. This morning was kind of the kicker.

    A bit of background info:

    1. We've been together for over 7 years (since HS) and our relationship has always been a bit up and down. We've gone through A LOT though. Family deaths, long-distance, unemployment, graduating college, going back to school (him), backpacking through Europe and more - obviously we've had lots of low times and big fights in there but lots of amazing times too. I truly love my FI very deeply even after all these years.

    2. When we got engaged a year ago we'd been together for almost 6 years at the time and I was SO HAPPY. We had just ended a year of long-distance because FI quit his job to move back with me and go back to school. We were in the process of buying our first house and everything was going great. I can vividly remember gushing to friends about how happy I was the Christmas before we got engaged (were engaged last Valentines Day.)

    3. My FI gave up his nicotine habit as of January 1. He always promised he'd quit before we got married and since we are *supposed* to get married this coming summer he quit for the New Year. He's also in his first year of a really stressful engineering program - not trying to make excuses for his behavior but this is the reality of what he's going through right now.

    What happened this morning:

    Basically we've been on edge and fighting A LOT in the last few weeks. More than just a little argument - pretty big fights over dumb things. Like we got in a huge fight three days ago that I literally can't even remember what it was about now. The dishes maybe?

    So my dad is visiting us right now and he was at the kitchen table having coffee this morning and I look out my front window to see FI had written "FUCK YOU!" in big letters in the fresh snow on my car. To clarify - we were NOT fighting at the time and I think he was trying to be "funny"?

    You guys, I FLIPPED OUT. I told him he was incredibly immature and inappropriate and we are not teenagers. All in front of my dad. He was really sheepish and was just kind of like "ya..." and then I stormed upstairs to finish getting ready for work. He came up a little bit after and flipped out on me (quietly) and told me how dare I talk to him like that in front of my dad, I'm a bitch when my parents visit, blah blah blah.

    I ignored him and left for work. We later had a texting war about it. He's basically turned this fight around on ME for being a "bitch" about what he did when he never should have done that in the first place! We live in a complex of houses, who knows how many people saw that, we OWN our house. I am seriously so embarrassed. We are NOT teenagers!

    Anyways, some of his texts basically threatened not to marry me because I'm such a bitch all the time and he claims he's changed a lot for me (giving up his job and moving, giving up his nicotine habit etc) and I haven't done any changing over the last 7+ years and have been a "bitch" almost the whole time and blah blah blah.

    I am honestly so sick of our fighting/arguing and his behavior this morning pushed me over the edge. I actually sent an email to my therapist requesting an emergency appointment because I'm considering calling off the wedding and need to talk to someone objective. She hasn't responded yet so that's why I'm coming to the bee boards.

    I'm just so upset. We've been together so long and I love him SO MUCH but I don't want to live like this the rest of my life. I'm sick of fighting all the time. We both have such strong personalities that sometimes I just think that maybe being in love isn't enough to make it work... :(

    Writing that out was therapeutic as it is but maybe someone will also have some advice for me? I know marriage is hard work, but I don't want to get married this summer and then regret it or get divorced right away.

    I keep trying to remind myself that we've been through these tough times before (we fought for 4 months straigh when FI was depressed and unemployed in 2008) but I think with our impending marriage I am just freaking out... Why can't we be at the INCREDIBLY happy place we were a year ago?!

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    mrs_pugetsound    May 14, 2011  

    Yikes.  That WAS incredibly childish of him to do, and I understand why it would upset you (especially since your father was visiting and your neighbors might have been offended as well!).  Does he frequently do immature pranks like this?  Has he said "why" he would have written that on your windshield if you were not fighting (not that it would have been an okay thing to do even IF you were fighting!).  I just don't quite get the mentality behind writing that on your soon-to-be spouses's windshield.  IMO, it isn't funny at all.  I don't think that saying that makes you a "bitch"...I think it makes you an adult!

    I'm glad you have contacted your therapist.  Does he ever go with you to these meetings?  It sounds like he has some unresolved resentment about things that he has "given up" or "changed."  Resent is a dangerous thing to have lurking under the surface in a relationship...

     
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    Take The Reins    August 11, 2012   Canada

    @anon09:  I don't how good my advice is, so take it as you will.  If you dissect your above post, here are a few issues, based on my personal experience...

    It sounds like you are fighting because of stress, his quiting smoking (it's a MAJOR mood changer).  Stress is a bitch and can come in so many forms and show in so many little ways.  FI and I have been through this also.  I get nitpicky when I;m stressed and frustrated, he gets clsoed off, which makes me even madder and so the cycle goes.  From what your FI said to you via text it sounds like he has some needs that are not being met in your relationship, and perhaps they are exaggerated due to his withdrawls (quitting smoking can make people downright miserable!)  I think you need to cut him some slack.  HOWEVER, what he did the FUCK YOU on the car and calling you a bitch repeatedly is NOT acceptable in any way shape or form IMO.  You don't treat someone you love with such disrespect.  BUT he is also correct to be upset you called him out in front of your dad.  You and your FI are a unit and issues should never be aired in front of others.  Take him aside, into your room etc and speak to him.  A public call out is humiliating, and likely put his already hissy self into lash out mode.

    From your above post, I don't think you should call off your wedding yet, and counselling is a great way to get a handle on things. BUT, if this is a pattern in your relationship, and has been all along, then it might be worth considering.  And take a good hard look at yourself too.  I often find when FI and I get into the ring together, I am shocked when he tells me how my behaviour looks to him and how it makes him feel.  I really have to rein myself back and focus on me, and usually when I do that, our issues resolve.  Action/reaction.  I attack, he reacts.  SUcks.

    I hope you come to a healthy conclusion here, becasue you are right, no one wants to live this way.  But there is rarely only one doorstep on which to lay blame in a relationship.  As long as there is no phyisical or mental abuse, I think you should work on both of you and your communication techniques before quitting a relationship.  It;s never sunshine and roses all the time.

    Good luck!

     
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    GreenDream    February 25, 2012   Toronto/Edmonton

    You deserve much better than this. I'm trying to think what he deserves, and i'm trying to be objective. What he did was wrong, but I'm confused about why you are letting him bait you so much. Don't let him speak to you that way and don't do things like getting into "texting wars" with him.

    My advice is to try not to focus so much on the details, like what his reasons were for giving up nicotine. You're getting married and you want a more mature relationship. Figure out what you want to be able to do, like not seeing profanities on your car, and what you need from him specifically to get there. Ask him what he would possibly be missing out on to give you that.

    If you can't have these conversations then you are absolutely not ready to marry each other.

     
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    pinkshoes    July 2011   MA

    Yeah, that's pretty immature, I cant think of why anyone would do that to their OWN car.  But, I have to say that the way he reacted to you flipping out on him in front of your father is not surprising.  From the "man perspective" he was put in a really tough loss loss situation.  He had his manhood totally challenged and made to look like a wuss by having to sit there and take you flipping out on him in front of your father.  The only other option was to defend himself and fight with you, which then makes him look like an asshole in front of your father.  And I'm sure neither image is the impression he wants to make.  I am glad though he had enough self control and respect for your dad to take it up stairs to quietly fight with you about it, that at least shows that he is level headed.  It does sound like he may be holding back a lot of resentment and this fight has just let the flood gates open.  Maybe take this opportunity to go out do dinner (I like to have talks in public places cause it helps to keep is level headed in order to not cause a scene) and talk things out.. .especially what he means by "I'm such a bitch all the time and he claims he's changed a lot for me (giving up his job and moving, giving up his nicotine habit etc) and I haven't done any changing over the last 7+ years ".

     
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    anon09    January 9, 2017  

    @Take The Reins:  Ugh yes, you're totally right. I know I shouldn't have flipped out in front of my dad and that is a RECURRING problem in our relationship - me losing it without thinking first. But I just looked out the window and saw that and I was actually so shocked. He does have a bit of a different sense of humor than me, but he's never done ANYTHING like that before. It shocked me so much I couldn't help but flip out!

    The thing that I find to be a recurring theme also is when we get in fights I tend to FLIP and then calm down right away. He then often finds away to turn the fight around on me and make it like it was my fault because I was a "bitch" and flipped out right away. I have a quick temper but get over things quickly. He has a slower temper but holds grudges.

    7 years later and we still haven't learned how to fight properly. Therapy is helping me analyze MY behaviors but he refuses to come with me and I think he would really benefit from it too.

     
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    daybyday    November 11, 2006  

    It sounds like it's really just a matter of perspective and HOW you both fight. I think this could be fixed with patience and counseling so that the little things don't escalate. I know you're feeling overwhelmed with the problem, but I think it's worth the effort if you love him as much as you say you do.

     
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    nickels    September 3, 2012  

    The fact that he wrote that on yourcar is completely unacceptable! I can't imagine anyone doing that and thinking it's funny. Plus with your dad around? That makes it even more embarrassing! Has your FI always had some kind of weird humor or do you think there's some underlying meaning to it? I would have flipped too. Not many things get me going, but respect is definitely a biggie. I hope he's willing to go to a counselor with you so you guys can decide on what steps to take for the future.

     
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    anon09    January 9, 2017  

    @daybyday:  "so that little things don't escalate"  - This is like the story of my life. All our fights tend to be over "little things". We share similar family values and morals and life goals. We never fight over the big things but fights about something so stupid like dishes escalate for us on a regular basis.

     
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    KT808    October 18, 2012  

    Well there are up and downs in every relationship. I recommend you wait until you cool down and try and think this through. It boils down to whether this is the person you want to spend the rest of your life with and if you want to live this way. He has done some changing but it is unlikely he will do much more. Only you know the answer as to if this the life you want.

     
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    daybyday    November 11, 2006  

    @anon09:  I hear you. A lot of times it's just a matter of learing the tools you need to be a rational partner in a relationship/marriage. Three things that helped me:

    1) It's important to always argue with mutual respect (that means no name-calling, ever, even if you want to . . . trust me eventually it becomes second nature!).

    2) Keep it in perspective (Am I arguing about this because I am tired/hungry/sad/hormonal/embarrassed/etc. or is what happened TRULY terrible? IS THIS WORTH FIGHTING ABOUT?)

    3) Don't universalize the problems/keep the fight what the fight is about (if it's about the dishes, keep it about the dishes and avoid phrases like "you always" and "you never").

    These are things that CAN be learned if you're both willing to work on it. It feels unnatural at first but in the end it will feel so much better. Hopefully he will at least consider this!

     
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    linguo42    February 27, 2011   Vancouver, B.C.

    You two need to learn how to communicate displeasure/anger without being petty about it and resorting to name calling and empty threats. It sounds like he has some valid points that need to be addressed, but he needs to be respectful about bringing them up and not go flinging the "B" word around just because he's frustrated. And you shouldn't have called him out in front of your dad. Nobody wants their in-laws, let alone anyone else, as an audience when someone is reaming them out. A more appropriate thing to do would have been to pull him aside, ask him to wipe the words off the car, and discuss it later.

    I used to be the type to be stubborn and combative about little things too. I would hold grudges, bottle things up, and be a jerk in general. And you know what happened when my husband and I started dating? The first time I was about to go off on him about something stupid, I stopped in my tracks and thought, "Wait, what am I doing? I really like this guy, why am I about to start a fight just to get a pet peeve off my chest when I could just talk to him about it calmly and spare us both the stress?" I realized then that I don't ever want to do anything to hurt him, I don't want to lash out at him over things that don't matter in the course of a lifetime, and I don't want to waste a single minute being angry with him without a damn good reason. And he feels the same way about me. So we talk everything through calmly while it's relevant, we listen to each other, we discuss/debate as necessary in a civilized manner, come to a decision, implement it, and get on with our lives.

    Better communication won't solve everything, but it's the best first step you can take to getting back to a happier place in your relationship. Sit him down, apologize for your behavior this morning, and tell him you want both of you to figure out together how to deal with problems without blowing them out of proportion. That the name-calling and baiting need to stop, because you love each other and those kind of mind games don't belong in a happy relationship.

    Good luck to you.

     
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    LGenz    May 21, 2011   New Jersey, Wedding in Clearwater, FL

    I don't think this is worth calling off the wedding. It sounds like you are stressed and you both need to work on how you argue. I probably would have found the car thing funny but I get why you didn't. I think you were way out of line yelling at him in front of your father. There was no graceful way for him to get out of that. Him calling you a b*tch is completely unacceptable and he needs to own up to that.

    I think DH and I have a similar dynamic in that I can let my temper get to me quickly when its not warranted and then I lose the upper hand in the argument because I was unreasonable. We've both had to work on putting things into perspective and calmly talking things through.

     
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    ohmybears48    September 28, 2013   Chicago, IL

    Yeah. I dont think this is worth calling off the wedding, especially if you have been together for 6 years. This is more likely to deserve the "we need couples counseling" conversation first. You are in therapy, but he isn't. This will help the fighting fair and looking at both sides of the situation.

    But really, I think you both need to cool off and move on from it.

     
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    LibbyLoo    June 1, 2013   Ontario, Canada

    I agree with the other bees - not worth calling off your wedding but it does sound like you both need some serious couples therapy so you can learn how to properly communicate and the proper way to fight with each other because fighting will occur during your relationship, no matter what. Doesn't sound like either of you are very good at resolving your arguments in a mature manner and they tend to escalate quickly as a result. I also think that no matter what your FI does, you should NEVER call him out in front of people. That's totally emasculating behaviour and if there's one way to get a guy to lash out, it's by humiliating him in front of people. How would you like it if he freaked out on you in public? I know it would make me feel about two inches tall. Never a healthy thing for a relationship for one person to make the other person feel little.

    Trust me, I know how it feels - FI and I used to have some WICKED battles, one of which involved us almost getting into a serious accident on the highway after he threw a bottle of water in the car (not at me) while we were screaming at each other and it exploded, almost causing me to lose control of our car travelling at 110km/hr. So yeah, I know me some fights. We went to couples counselling for a few months and it did wonders for us. We rarely fight anymore and when we do, it's very short and ends with one of us apologizing within 20 minutes. We just learned how to properly communicate with each other and to think about whether something was even WORTH fighting about in the first place. From my experience, only about 5% of the fights we used to have were even worth it - the rest were just ridiculous freakouts and hissy fits. We both had to work at learning to control our tempers better and harder yet, learning when to just keep our mouths shut!

    Talk to your FI, find a good couples therapist and get this stuff worked out BEFORE you say I Do - this is stuff you need to learn how to deal with whether you marry this guy or someone else.

     

     
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    Miss Orchard    September 8, 2012   Cambridge, MA

    There are going to be bumps in the road, and you need to learn to deal with it....I would recommend counseling?

     
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    anon09    January 9, 2017  

    Lots of people have recommended counseling and I AGREE WITH YOU ALL! I have been going to counseling on and off for about 6 months now and it has really helped me analyze MY behavior.

    However, FI basically refuses to go. He said that I need to go because I have family issues (which is true, I grew up with a mom and dad who fought TERRIBLY and still fight terribly but that is a whole 'nother post) but he refuses to acknowledge that HE needs to analyze his behaviors as well. I agree with other posters who say he may have some resentment towards me.

    When things are good with us, they're great and we click SO WELL. But when things are bad we butt heads like no other.

    How do I convince him to go to counseling??? I even suggested he just go by himself and then he can tell the counselor anything and everything he wants about me and us and get it off his chest.

    He's a pretty quiet, reserved guy around new people and he is very much against going to counseling. I have no idea why :(

     
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    Take The Reins    August 11, 2012   Canada

    @anon09:  My FI was aginast counselling too.  I think they are afraid of what they will hear or discover about themselves.  I sat down with my FI (then BF), and explained why I felt we should go together, how I felt in our relationship and how I was struggling, and what I needed from him.  I left it up to him, but I straight out told him "I cannot live my life like this.  If you feel I am the woman you want to spend your life with, we need to get this sorted out.  I feel counselling is a good way to help us.  If you don't agree, tell me now becasue I need to move past this either with or without you".  He walked out on me, didn't speak to me all day.  I was a wreck.  But he came home that night, hugged me hard and said he'd go because counselling was a lot better than losing me.  It was a major step for us that he chose our relationship over his own fears.

     
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    Ruby.Bacon    December 31, 2013  

    "I don't want to live like this the rest of my life. I'm sick of fighting all the time. We both have such strong personalities that sometimes I just think that maybe being in love isn't enough to make it work... :( "

    Your story sounds similar to a relationship I was in a few years ago. I was with a guy who was constantly picking fights over little things (and big things, and little things that ended up being big things). He called me names, made me feel like everything that went wrong in our relationship was my fault and was disrespectful of my feelings.

    I don't think it was wrong of you AT ALL to call him out in front of your father. HE was the one who did something highly inappropriate and downright mean in front of him in the first place. I just don't think that's the way you treat someone you love. I mean, you can blame all of this on quitting smoking, but I think that's a bit of a cop-out. He has to take responsibility for his actions - quitting smoking/being stressed is NOT an excuse to treat you like crap. Ever.

    For me, after a few years in that relationship, the bad times far outnumbered the good times. I would focus on the good times we'd had, convincing myself that we were still fine, but that wasn't changing the here and now. I was miserable but couldn't see that he was the problem. He left me unceremoniously one day, after years of being together, and it was ultimately the best thing that ever happened. I flourished in my career, moved to another city and met the love of my life. (*not saying that this is what you should do - just what happened to me*)

    My current relationship has made me realize how a healthy relationship is supposed to work. Of course it isn't sunshine and roses 24/7, but we are compatible in the way we expect to be treated and respected, the way we argue and the way we choose to live our lives. Relationships are work but I really don't think you should have to fight so hard to keep them going if they're not making you happy.

    You just don't sound happy, and you deserve to be treated with respect and love, not be called names and put down. If he isn't willing to go to counseling, I think you both need to sit down and have a long (calm and as rational as possible) discussion about what your expectations are if you decide to go through with getting married.

    Good luck.

     
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    GreenDream    February 25, 2012   Toronto/Edmonton

    If he is against counselling (and I understand his position, I am too), he had best be open to putting a lot more effort in to discussions with you. I suggest talking through your issues as a couple outside of that environment. Giving him the option to talk (rather than going into therapy) will go over better than if he feels you are trying to strong arm him or threatening to leave him if he does not choose that path for himself.

    Calling you a bitch is very abusive and sexist language. It shows a serious lack of consideration on his part. I still agree his behaviour towards you needs to be addressed.

     
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    stillme    October 2010  

    Why is he ever calling you a "bitch"? That is the most alarming thing in the whole post, to me. Every couple is going to have fights, but you guys have to be able to fight respectfully. My DH and I fight over stupid stuff, but we try very hard never to lose our tempers and NEVER to call each other names.

    I think you can work through this stuff, but it will take some effort. 

    As to the "FUCK YOU" on the car... why?! Sometimes I do immature stuff like that, but usually I'll draw boobs or something -- and on someone ELSE's car! 

     
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    anon09    January 9, 2017  

    @stillme:  We've NEVER been good at fighting fair and have regularly called each other names and said mean things in fights. Not saying it's right at all, but it is what it is. I grew up with parents calling each other extremely awful things (and they still do). FI's parents are very happily married and I couldn't even imagine them talking to one another the way we sometimes talk to each other so I really don't know why he's so quick to tell me to fuck off or call me a bitch when we fight...

     
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    hobbitsvselves    September 29, 2012  

    I'm with @stillme. I find it worrying that he calls you such things. I think calling each other names and swearing has to be off limits -- it just escalates the hostility unnecessarily.

    I also don't think your calling him out in front of your dad was the worst thing ever. It's probably not something to repeat, but his reaction strikes me as disproportionate. :/ I've got no advice for you, but I hope everything works out OK.

     
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    Booknerd    March 14, 2015  

    He should NOT be calling you a bitch! That's one thing that I do not stand from ANYONE.  If it was me.... no matter what else is going on - it's over!

     
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    bells    June 26, 2011  

    Personally I dont believe in fighting with my husband in front of our parents. So i think he is justified in being upset about you talking to him like that in front of your dad. I actually think he did the right thing by approaching you upstairs to talk it through. Yes it was immature of him to right F you in the snow but you could have just said that to him in private or given him a look that said you werent happy with it. I give my husband the look and he quickly backtracks if he realizes he has said or done something inappropriate.

     
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    anon09    January 9, 2017  

    @bells:  Ya in hindsight I seriously wish I hadn't lashed out in front of my dad. I normally wouldn't but I was SO shocked. It was a really weird and out-of-character thing for him to do.

     
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    kelmac    September 26, 2009   Ontario, Canada

    No I don't think its worth calling off the wedding but you two need to to learn how to communicate if you are going to get married.

    I guess I have an opinion that may not be well liked but I think speaking to him like that in front of your parents is completely unacceptable. I would be mortified. I also don't think him writing that on your car is that big a deal, as long as he was joking. I would write it on the front windsheild of DH's truck where neighbours wouldn't see it-and I would probably draw a penis, or write ass or something- but DH and I can joke around with things like that. If it was visible to everyone that drove by I would be irritated but if he was kidding I think you over-reacted.

    As I said, it definitely sounds like you guys need to learn how to communicate properly. You don't want to end up repeating the cycle of your parents. I'm sorry you are dealing with this.

     
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    mmsva    October 9, 2010   Alexandria, VA

    Sounds like you have communications problems that have just been made worst by stopping smoking. I know my Dh was a bear for months after he quit. We fight pretty well, so it wasn't something we couldn't ride out. But for you guys it took a bad situation and made it worst. Now just think about how you will be fighting once you have kids and are sleep deprived.

     

    I like how @Take The Reins:  got her FI into counseling. Also have you read, Why Marriage Suceed or Fail by John Gottman? Totally worth it. Shows that how you fight has a huge impact on marriage success or failure. The way you guys fight is a recipe for divorce. Try reading it. Then approaching SO with information about why you guys need to get into therapy.

    Good Luck!

     
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    sienna76    September 2012   living in Utah; no date yet (family illness)

    "We've been together for over 7 years (since HS) and our relationship has always been a bit up and down. We've gone through A LOT though. Family deaths, long-distance, unemployment, graduating college, going back to school (him), backpacking through Europe and more - obviously we've had lots of low times and big fights in there but lots of amazing times too."

     

    I just wanted to give a little thought on this.  There are life's ups and downs (the list you gave which I've bolded), and then there's the relationship's ups and downs.

    I believe if the great relationships don't have such highs and lows when it comes to the relationship.  Sure life can bring you highs and lows, but that's different to me when you say you've been through a lot as a couple.  When you're relationship is all over the place due to bad communication or immaturity on someone's end, then it's definitely time to reevaluate the direction.  Good for you for gettinginto the therapist.  I agree this needs to be discussed.

     

    "sometimes I just think that maybe being in love isn't enough to make it work."

    You are right, simply being in love or loving one another is NOT enough to make it work.  Do not believe anyone who tells you it is enough!  I agree the John Gottman books are pretty good.  You get this flight or fight reaction (lashing out is the fight), and it talks about how to deal with that.

    90 something percent of all conflict in marriage goes UNRESOLVED.  However, the ones that know how to sucessfully DEAL with the conflict are those that make it. Now if smoking is a deal breaker for you (it is for me, if I knew it while dating), then recognize.  If it's a minor annoyance that's different.

     

    http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Principles-Making-Marriage-Work/dp/0609805797/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1329435685&sr=8-4

    http://www.amazon.com/Why-Marriages-Succeed-Fail-Yours/dp/0684802414/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1329435685&sr=8-7

     

    I grew up with parents calling each other extremely awful things (and they still do).

    I keep adding more because I keep reading more details!  OK, so my parents have a pretty bad marriage.  They were pretty poor examples of how a marriage should be - physical, emotional, verbal abuse.  I didn't marry well the first time even though my intentions were to do better than my parents.  BUT if you don't know how to get out of the pattern your childhood created you're bound to keep repeating it.  Therpay is great for that.  Might I also suggest some other books:

    http://www.amazon.com/Adult-Children-Secrets-Dysfunctional-Families/dp/0932194532/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1329435910&sr=8-5

    http://www.amazon.com/Adult-Childs-Guide-Whats-Normal/dp/1558740902/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

    If there was any alcohol involved with your parents, I have some book on that.

     
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    anon09    January 9, 2017  

    @sienna76:  Just ordered two of those books. Thanks for the recemondations!

     
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    gelatogirl    January 1, 2006  

    As I was internet surfing (something about Jersey Shore believe it or not), I stumbled on this post. I just registered because I went through something similar to this and thought my experience may be helpful for you. I was in a 7 year relationship with a guy who I've known for a while. He did have some sophomoric tendencies (which didn't really bug me too much), but had this issue of picking a fight about every tiny thing due to his obsessie compulsive personality disorder.  I would then react very negatively and blow up at times because I reached my tether. We loved each other very much and had a very strong connection, but our relationship was very up and down.

     

    I ended it because I felt this wasn't working. I then met somebody wonderful and have been married for five years. I got married relatively later in life but am so glad for it. I was more comfortable with myself. I knew what i wanted and was a lot more mature about relationships. Sienna 76 is correct ... a good relationship doesn't have many ups and downs but is more constant. We've certainly had our share of difficult issues -- family deaths, money issues, unemployment, etc. But we've worked through it and have been fully supportive of each other. We've never raised our voice to each other and have never spoken an ill word. We've certainly gotten into disgareements about issues but we've always remained rational and level-headed while doing so. It never got personal.

     

    After my husband, I realized what a good relationship is. I've encountered so many unhappy dysfunctional relationships and marriages. My feng shui consultant actually was pleasantly surprised when I told him my marriage was great. He told me that over 90% of his clients are in unhappy relationships. My feeling is that a lot of people get themselves involved in relationships for various reasons ... social pressure, lust, financial reasons, "love", to feel "safe", to have children, to not feel alone, because you've already invested a certain number of years in the relationship, etc.

     

    It sounds that you and your fiance some issues to work on and feel that a wedding is premature at this moment. I hope you find the help that you need. I think books are a great start, but believe that therapy is in order. If the relationship works out, great. But if no, it's not the end of the world. It's much better to be content by yourself than to be part of an unhappy couple. Your problems aren't going to magically solve itself because you got married.

     
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    EncoreBridetoBe    February 2, 2013   Canada

    All the bees have given you great advice and insight. Learn "how" to fight or rather resolve conflicts in a mature manner. His behaviour was out of line as was you calling him out in front of your dad...but all this has been said.

     

    Question does he REALLY want to quit smoking? Yes it is bad for your health, expensive etc. However you said he promised YOU he'd quit before the wedding. Piece of advice, no one ever quits (or quits successfully) until they are READY to do it for themselves because they decided and they want to. If he is doing it primarily for you then aside from typical nic fights he is going to be resentful because it wasn't entirely his choice there is a ticking clock on when he HAS to quit. Look I am not saying smoking is good but you have bigger fish to fry so I'd suggest putting this on the back burner...you've been together for 7 years and he has been smoking. Focus on the issues you have and let him decide for himself and himself only when he wants to quit. Quitting before a wedding is like dieting on christmas, stressful, hard and not likely to work. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents on that point since I think the bees already have it covered and you seem a bit more at ease.

    :)

     
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    girlwiththeredhair    July 9, 2012   B.C, Canada

    I think you guys can work this out... Honestly, reading through the emotional boards I think that a lot of bee's tell others to call it quits way too soon... Marriage, engagements and relationship take WORK and SACRIFICE. So many people don't seem to realize that anymore and call it quits if they aren't "happy" for two seconds. From my point of view anyways.

    Go see a counselor and talk this out. I'm not condoning what happened or the verbal abuse that happened, but I think it's something you could work through.

     
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    mmsva    October 9, 2010   Alexandria, VA

    @EncoreBridetoBe:  Now that I think about it, my DH had quit smoking for about 8 months. Then about 4 months before the wedding, he started back up. I think the stress just got to him. I didn't make a big deal about it. I knew going into the relationship that there was a chance he would never quit (even though he wanted to). Luckily, a few months after the wedding a few months before we TTC, he quit. He's slipped a few times. But I think 5 ciggies over 1 years isn't bad for a guy who's been smoking for 25 years.

     
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    mmsva    October 9, 2010   Alexandria, VA

    @EncoreBridetoBe:  Now that I think about it, my DH had quit smoking for about 8 months. Then about 4 months before the wedding, he started back up. I think the stress just got to him. I didn't make a big deal about it. I knew going into the relationship that there was a chance he would never quit (even though he wanted to). Luckily, a few months after the wedding a few months before we TTC, he quit. He's slipped a few times. But I think 5 ciggies over 1 years isn't bad for a guy who's been smoking for 25 years.

    So OP, quitting smoking right now might not be the best for your relationship. try tackling one issue at a time. Learn to fight, then quit smoking.

     

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