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Thanks! I really like the first one. I'm thinking I will end up doing something similar w/ a broach like that, but with the tails of the sash widening slightly and doing down to the foor, since the back of my dress is boring.
Here's mine! David's Bridal CT2406! Only I'm doing no train but you can't see it anyway so it doesn't matter!

I used a hair flower from etsy as a fastener and avoided the bow altogether.
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I am having one made for my gown, but I don't know how to do the bow!
How did your bow/sash look like?