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    europomme    September 17, 2011  

    Smyley, there's nothing wrong with at least "covering your plate", so please don't knock it... it has been a tradition in European families for quite some time.  It's actually being really considerate to the couple to do so.  Weddings are expensive, and often that comes at the same time as purchasing a home, furniture, etc, so it all helps.  No, you obviously do not contact the venue, but you generally know what the plate costs when you know what the venue is.  Granted, there are some people who truly cannot afford to cover their plate, and thats understandable.  But generally, this is what we do for each other, and it helps the couple starting out.  I get that everyone does things differently, but if someone does something for you, it's NICE to do it for them as well.

     
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    smyley    May 2010  

    europomme...where did you ever get the idea I'm knocking it? What I'm saying is it is NOT traditional for a guest to be made to or to feel that they SHOULD cover their dinner as their gift, and that most people will give a wedding gift according to their means and relationship to the couple. I'm certainly not giving an amount to a friend's child even close to what I'd give a family member. Taking in to account how lavish or simple their wedding is never comes into play with my gift giving.

     

     
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    ejs4y8    June 20, 2009  

    Well, redherring, I completely 100% understand.

    Let's see...for one of my bridesmaids I covered her dress, hair, and makeup. And as a shower gift I got 2 bottles of wine and for a wedding gift I got a $20 bath and body works set. Um? Oh and she got to bring her boyfriend to our wedding also. Ummmmm. Yeah. I have to remind myself now when SHE gets married that she gets a stingy $20 gift for each event. Even though I will be the "well off" one in the situation, I'll just remember that. 

    Now I hear her talking about her dresses for all these other weddings she's in that are over $100 and I can't help but go "mmhmmm". She didn't even buy a damn dress for my wedding.

    We got lots of $20 and $40 gifts for our wedding. Which i understand from some people, but that didn't even cover their plate! Like Chelseamorning, I was surprised at what some of our guests got us. Especially considering I thought the average wedding gift was technically around $100. Which is always what I spend! I need to cut back I guess.

     
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    Tulip61110    June 11, 2010   Philadelphia

    I just want to say I totally understand where you are coming from.  Don't feel guilty for feeling this way - I think it's natural to expect something of the same level in return for what you gave them.

    I haven't received any wedding gifts yet, but I know I would be annoyed if I felt like I was slighted by any of our friends or relatives.  One episode of Sex and the City always comes to mind - the one where Carrie talks about how she has spent so much money on gifts for her friend's wedding, babies, home, etc. - then when a pair of shoes gets stolen from her friend's home, her friend gives her a hard time about paying for the replacement.  I feel the exact same way!!  My FI and I are one of the last people in our group of friends to get married.  So many of our friends have been married, had kids, etc. and I feel like all we do is spend and spend for all of their life events.  I don't think I could help but be offended now that for once we are having something going on in our life to warrant a gift, and we don't get generosity in return.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Miss Chapstick - Wow. I'd also be a little miffed at $50 from a 5-person family. I mean, at some point, it's almost better to get nothing at all than something like that. I totally sympathize with you on the FIL issue, though. My FILs are experience some extreme financial hardships, and I strongly suspect that not only will we not be receiving a gift from them, but we'll likely be expected to fly them out here, pay for a cab/rental car, and pay for their hotel.

    @monitajb - "Feel the bitter, then let it roll" is an excellent suggestion :)

    @smyley - My fiance has been giving gifts to his friends for YEARS and often getting nothing in return, so I think he's used to it. Hopefully I'll reach his state of zen soon!

    @ejs4y8 - I didn't go through it, but one of my bridesmaids (call her A) faced a really similar situation with one of her friends (call her B). When B got engaged, all of her friends will still in school. B called her engagement period "The year of her wedding" and acted accordingly - multiple showers and parties, with the requirement that all of her non-local (often broke) bridesmaids attend every single one. She got really irritated when A couldn't attend one of her events. Yet her bridesmaids still chipped in for an awesome wedding present. When A got married, B was broke and A ended up paying for her dress, her airfare to get to the wedding, basically everything. Oh, and B's marriage lasted 11 months - the year of her wedding was longer than her actual marriage.

    @Tulip61110 - We're also one of the last couples in our group of friends to get married. We went to SEVEN weddings last summer and did our best to extend our generosity toward every single couple. It just bugs me when we don't get similar treatment.

     
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    LacyLust    May 21, 2011   Ohio

    ""Wow. I'd also be a little miffed at $50 from a 5-person family. I mean, at some point, it's almost better to get nothing at all than soemthing like that.""

    Wow; Did you really just say that?

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @LacyLust - Yup. Clearly, if a 5-person family can only afford $50, then maybe they shouldn't be spending anything at all.

     
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    Arachna       nyc

    It's very clear from this thread as well as others that people have very different views on what amount is an appropriate gift.

    redherring, re the $50 - on every thread complaining that someone gave no gift at all you have dozens of brides swearing that all they wanted was a card or maybe a small gift like $50 and they would have been totally happy with that it isn't about the money - granted you aren't other brides and can't be held responsible for their opinions but you should realize that if you judge someone who gave $50 and think they should have given 0 others will will judge those who have 0 and say they should have given $50 - no win. 

    One should never give a gift if the giving isn't sufficient for the givers happiness.  You can't give gifts expecting or hoping for future gifts (yes sometimes we can't help it) because that only leads to heartbreak.  If you wouldn't be happy having given amount X if they never give you anything in return don't give X!

    Important point - our own attitudes to gifts and what is appropriate are mostly a result of our parents and their views and maybe our friends as well - so it's not that we are so much more generous or nice, we just happen to have parents that had more generous views on gift giving. 

    Another important point - in defense of noting this kind of thing and being offended - most cultures in which gift giving is important absolutely keep track of who gave how much.  This is how relationship bonds are forged and yes the giving of gifts is meaningful. 

    Last point - 'can't afford' 'can afford' those are really complicated determinations.  I mean, I can afford a 4,000 dress if we are talking about still being able to buy groceries afterwards - but no I can't afford a dress that expensive by any reasonable calculation so in my own determination I can not afford it.  Should someone really prioritize wedding gifts over everything except groceries?  Or only over a nice dinner out?  Or ... ?  It's complicated. 

    Everyone gives the gift they feel comfortable with. And yes it is absolutely normal and okay to feel pouty about receiving less than you gave.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    ejs4y8    June 20, 2009  

    I'm just glad to see I'm not the only one who gets a little weird about this kind of stuff.

    Generosity is more than the dollar, but often, lack of generosity and thoughtfulness often comes along with the obvious price tag. But not always--one of my favorite gifts is a $20 spatula from Williams-Sonoma Laughing. So i DO appreciate the inexpensive things, haha. 

    But you know, I feel really really good about spending more on a wedding gift than I should've for DH's and I's friends (we were both in it by the way) because they just love it and were SO grateful and thankful about it, I didn't even have second thoughts about the money. It was "well spent" in my head.'

    I had very stingy parents actually. Not with us, but with others...to the point it's almost kind of embarassing. Perhaps this is why I over-compensate now.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Arachna - Here's my full explanation for the $50 issue, since I was running out the door when I commented earlier. In my group of friends, $50 would be WAY below the norm for a 5-person family to give as a wedding present. In any situation when someone is giving a gift that costs markedly below what is normally given (and "normal" can definitely vary by region, culture, group of friends, etc) and the recipient is surprised by what they receive, it makes me think that they made their choice for one of two reasons: (1) They don't believe in personally following social norms, but have no problem when others do, meaning they're willing to take substantially more than they're willing to give, or (2) They absolutely cannot afford to give any more than what they've given.

    In the case of #1, I just find that somewhat despicable. It's one thing if your group of friends has made it clear that a lower amount is cool (even if it's just for you), but it's another thing entirely for someone to continuously receive gifts of a substantially higher value than they give with no group understanding that the situation is acceptable. As an example, in my circle, one of our friends is a musician and definitely struggles financially more than the rest of us. Everyone knows it, and we're all cool if his gifts aren't quite as generous as ours may be, or during particularly lean times, if he can't give anything at all. There's a mutual understanding that gifts from him won't cost as much as gifts to him, and everyone is cool with that. If that weren't the case, it would get obnoxious really quickly. 

    In the case of #2 - Allow me to give some examples. I have two friends, both of whom are in grad school. I know they're broke, as they've told me so themselves. In their case, the $20 that they could spend on a wedding present could feed them for a week. So yeah, I'd be a bit miffed if they spent that money so I could have a ladle. As another example, my FIL are experiencing some severe financial difficulties, and I would MUCH rather any money they could spend on us be put toward things like their heating bill or their mortgage. If any of my loved ones (and everyone coming to my wedding is a loved one) were experiencing such financial difficulty, their presence would mean way more than their presents, and I would rather receive no material goods at all than wonder whether their gift to me was causing an undue burden.

     
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    Arachna       nyc

    But redherring I think you want to excercise an unreasonable amount of control over what others gift you.  Yes you might prefer that they keep the twenty instead of buying a ladle but it's not your choice and it shouldn't be.  IMHO. 

    That's why your annoyance that someone had accepted gifts larger than they give doesn't make sense to me.  What control does anyone have over what someone gives them?  What polite action can a person possibly take in reaction to a gift except accepting it?  Do people in your social circle really say things like "oh this is too generous so I refuse to accept it, you keep it, I can't reciprocate and don't want to at a later day" and the giver takes the gift back?!  The people giving gifts aren't blind, if they see that a person believes in giving smaller gifts than they, they can make their own decisions about how generous they want to continue being - it is not the responsibility of the receiver to do something such a disparity.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Arachna - But it IS my choice to be annoyed by it. People can do whatever they want. And I can disagree with their actions without forcing them to do what I think is "right". Trust me - I am aware that reality doesn't perfectly mesh with what I think should happen.

     
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    LacyLust    May 21, 2011   Ohio

    @redherring: as I quoted you above

    ""Wow. I'd also be a little miffed at $50 from a 5-person family. I mean, at some point, it's almost better to get nothing at all than soemthing like that.""

    In no way in that quote do you sound like you are concerned about the family being able to afford their bills or put food on thier table; like you are trying to portray to Aracna Above; in your Case #2 Examples. Your quote leaves everyone to believe that the guests $50 isn't good enough. I'm sorry but your sounding kind of selfish here. IMO

    I'm done commenting on this because I have pretty strong feelings about people holding grudges concerning "worth" or "amounts" on gifts. I hope someday you will realize that you should not give to recieve; & that your wedding is really about something totally different than costs and amounts.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @LacyLust - "I'm sorry but your sounding kind of selfish here." - Which is why I went on to explain what I meant, as clearly what I originally said didn't convey that very well.

     
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    Mrs. Louboutin    July 2010  

    @redherring - I just saw all of your posts.  I misunderstood your first post. There was so much in there about how much you spent, how much money they had, etc, that all I focused on was that.  Based on your subsequent posts, I can understand your feelings.  Given the fact that your wedding is so far away from now, this may have been an engagement present, rather than a full blown wedding present. Was there a card attached?

    I mean, let's be honest, NO ONE sends wedding gifts BEFORE the invitations go out.  Based on that, I think this may have been an engagement present, and if that actually is the case, a very generous engagement present. 

    At this point, there really isn't anything you can do except wait and see if they give you another gift after the invitations go out.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Mrs. Louboutin - No, there was no card, which I found really weird. The only way I knew who sent it was their name on the "package contents" form. Maybe Macy's doesn't give an option for gift cards? In the past, though, when ordering stuff from other people's registries, it always gave us an option for a message.

     
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    Mrs. Louboutin    July 2010  

    @ redherring - I wonder if they forgot to pack the card?  I've had some weird things happen with shipments from Macy's recently.  An extra piece was missing in one shipment, boxes that were supposed to contain one crystal pattern actually contained another, along with receiving completely broken plates.  There may be a way to find out if you call Macy's.com and ask them if a card was processed - that should be in their invoicing information online assuming they bought it online. 

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Mrs. Louboutin - At this point, not having a card isn't a big deal (unless they wrote something totally awesome and clever on it Smile). At least I know who sent it, so I can send a thank you card. I just won't reference whether it's an engagement or a wedding present. And speaking of weird Macy's issues - a friend of mine had a really difficult time with her gifts from Macy's. I'd estimate that about 40-50% of her breakable items arrived scratched, broken, or somehow damaged. She spent A LOT of time dealing with their exchanges department. They were always really good about it, but it's a lesson to inspect your wedding gifts right away, and not wait until you're settled in with your new husband.

     

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