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    Mr. Tattoo    June 9, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    Let me tell you Miss Tattoo about drove me up the wall for a few months during her waiting process. I know it's frustrating to you waiting bee's, but hear a guy out.

    Some of us just don't know after 2 dates! Miss Tattoo knew the moment we locked eyes. Men? We are not that intuned to our emotions to know. I mean, she was hot and I wanted my hands all over her. I knew that from the moment we locked eyes. I knew from when we first kissed that I wanted to kiss her and only her...for a while. Yes. For a while. The whole forever thing doesn't come quickly for us. It's scary to think about when you are so young that you are about to tie yourself to ONE person for the REST OF YOUR LIFE! To many men that equals=no more sex with other women. This is it. You better make sure it's worth it. Immature and gross? Sure, but I'm just being real.

    So if you don't know, Miss Tattoo and I didn't make it the first time. We were very young and not ready to be adults in the world. We couldn't even take care of ourselves let alone each other. So we split and then many years later we found each other again. (I think this story is in her "bio")

    I knew after a few months of talking with her again that she was the one. We were going to make this work this time. So, here starts the process.

    We had the talk. We talked about marriage, children, where we would live, where we wanted to be career wise, ect. We talked about money and how we spent it. We talked about ways we would raise our children. She's buddhist and I'm...an evolutionist. Yes. That sounds nice. We talked about teaching them everything there was to religion and let them make their own choices. After some more thinking I told her one night in the shower, "I'm going to make you my wife..."

    BAM! This is where you ladies should LEAVE IT ALONE! After those famous words, Miss Tattoo went kind of...crazy. All of a sudden Brides and Modern Bride were being sent to the house. The house phone would ring with spam messages from Davids Bridal. JC Penny's sent us announcement cards. All she could think about was WEDDING! She told me about the engagement chicken. ha ha ha ha. I knew it tasted funny! It was poisioned with engagement thoughts! no seriously, I loved it.
    All this time I'm thinking that I haven't even saved the money for the ring.

    Send your man hints/wishlist. I asked Miss Tattoo to send me what styles she liked and she did. That helped because I didn't want to pick anything out that she would hate. Again, she kind of went crazy after I asked for a wishlist. I swear she would have bought a wedding gown if I didn't hold tight to her.

    Realize not all of us are thrilled about going into debt. I, for one, am so glad Miss Tattoo is not crazy about diamonds because I was not going to open a credit account to a store. She told me from the start that it had to be moissanite. I was thrilled reading about it. It's an interesting stone, but the price is what I was most happy about. I went from thinking how long it would take me to save up $6000 in cash for a diamond to thinking how much money we can save for the wedding. Now, I don't think there is anything wrong with diamonds, but do realize they are a pretty penny for the nice ones and your boyfriend can't save up that kind of cash in a month. I mean, unless he's rolling in dough then give him a break. When you decide you are going to buy a ring, you still have to factor in all of your other bills. So if he can only save $100 a month and you want a Tiffany's diamond, then you are just going to have to wait. Getting pissed about it is only going to piss him off.

    If you know he has it, don't nag him about it. I know Miss Tattoo knew that I ordered the ring and all of a sudden she became kind of inpatient. I would see the way she looked when we went out and then I would notice the bitchy attitude when we got home when as proposal didn't happen. That made me feel like crap because I had no intention on doing it this soon. I actually had something else planned but...we'll get to that.

    Just stop talking about it. I feel like once we agreed that we would be married, then she should have known it was coming. Some nights she would just probe me for answers. Other nights it would be something sarcastic like "Wow...Prince William and Kate got engaged. I hope I'm not going to have to wait another 8 years for it to happen." So she stopped talking about it one day. No more wedding talk. no more ring talk. No more getting mad at dinners out. If a guy feels like the only thing you care about is the ring and wedding, then he's not going to want to do it. If you keep talking about it, you are going to get a shut up ring instead of an engagement ring.

    So what did I have planned? I planned on taking Miss Tattoo to a really great place and proposing on top of Mt. Washington. Mt. Washington was always in the plans, but I wanted to take her out to eat at this great place before. I made reservations for a Saturday in Jan. I would be done with my project and would have time to enjoy a Saturday with her. I changed my mind once we started having fun again. I didn't have to worry about the engagement ring coming up in conversation or talk about colors/favors/photography/budgets/ect. I saw the woman who I was going to spend the rest of my life with...and not the bridezilla who almost took over.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you have had the marriage talk your guy is probably planning and saving. If you know he has the ring, just let him do his thing. This is the one thing we get control over during the whole wedding process. This is the one time we get to be in the spotlight. So just let us have it.

     
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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    Great post!  It reminds me of a post that Mr. Bee did a while back.

     
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    UpstateCait    October 7, 2011   Upstate, NY

    PERFECT advice! It's almost as if my FI wrote this himself...

     
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    Miss Tattoo    September 15, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    >_> Geez...I didn't go that crazy.
    It is really good advice.

     
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    littlemissmango    July 7, 2012   Oahu, HI

    Nice. This is great, Mr. Tat! I was not a nagging girlfriend, but I did get a little too preoccupied with wedding stuff for a while, and though I didn't rub it in his face, he knew I was going crazy with the wedding blogs, looking at dresses online, rings, etc... probably put pressure on him unintentionally. When I cooled off a bit on the wedding hype and just relaxed about us, I think he noticed. And it was super important to him to have the proposal be HIS thing, and a surprise. That's a really important point you made when you said that -- This is the one time we get to be in the spotlight. So just let us have it. So true!

    Oh I also loved -- BAM! This is where you ladies should LEAVE IT ALONE! Hahaha... when your man says he's gonna do something, sometimes you gotta just take his word! :)

     
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    lalalalinzii    June 30, 2012  

    @Mr. Tattoo:Love this!

     
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    ellabee    July 3, 2011   Virginia

    I love this post, but at the same time, it's really hard to let go of all control of this ENORMOUS decision in our lives.

     

    If I hadn't thought about the ring and the wedding and everything--honestly I would have said no. If I had "backed off" the reality of HOLY COW THE REST OF MY LIFE?!?!? would have hit, and I would have said no.

    Let us both have our crazy.

     

     

    For the record, I'm married, and he never proposed. One day he just said, Ok, how about we get married next week?

     

    And, still, I DO NOT think of this as the rest of my life. That is WAY too scary. I just know I am happy with him. No one knows the future, so who cares if it's forever or not? I'm sure we'll make it work no matter what comes our way, it's a commitment, and I'm willing to work on anything but that idea of "FOREVER" and "NO SEX WITH ANYONE ELSE" those get to me, too. That's not just a man's perspective.

     
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    ellabee    July 3, 2011   Virginia

    Oh, ouch. Sorry, I think I have to say that I'm in a bad mood right now, so that last post was a little harsh, but I don't want to edit it out. I just want to let you know.

     

    The whole thing is stressful on both sides, and both men and women have to be forgiving and gentle and patient and most of all understanding.

    Seriously--on both sides.

     
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    katydiddle       Ohio

    @ellabee: Let us both have our crazy.

    I agree!

     
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    Wonderwoman217       Augusta, Georgia

    Thanks, Mr. Tattoo! It's nice to hear the man's perspective, coming from one of our 'graduated' waiting bees!

     
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    Meh, no offense Mr. Tat, but you are not every man. My FI would write something nearly opposite what you had stated. He knew I was the one for him long before I knew he was for me. He's not emotionally stilted by any means, yeah, I'm hot, but he looked deeper than that early on. Maybe because of our circumstances, or our age, or how we met, but whatever.

    Please don't put all men in the "no more unadulterated sex" box. I'm sorry if thats how you see it, but my FI sees it as "holy shit I get to sleep with this MILF for the next 80 years", not "damn I'm missing out on all that other @@@@"

    He didn't want a wishlist for my ring, he built it from scratch. He researched, picked out the diamond, setting, prongs etc. A lot of thought went into it that wouldn't have happened if I had looked online and printed out a few I thought were pretty.

    So Meh to your thread Tongue out

     

     
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    PopRox    September 17, 2011  

    Meh or not... your candor is appreciated.

     
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    @PopRox: *gives snaps*

     
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    eloping    May 23, 2010  

    interesting post - there is ALOT i know my husband would comment differently on but i appreciate the honesty

     
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    MsFoxxy    October 6, 2012   DW in St. Thomas USVI/ AHR in Atlanta, GA

    Very interesting read... good to see one man's perspective. 

    I do have to comment about the BAM! This is where you ladies should LEAVE IT ALONE!  LoL... sooo much easier said by someone NOT in the waiting position than actually done by the waiter.  Some of the things that were happening that you mentioned-- bridal mags, calls from David's, etc-- were a bit much, LoL, but still I just don't see leaving it alone completely.  If it's something this big and life altering... it's exciting.  You're gonna want to look at stuff and talk about stuff.  Not saying that it should be driven into the ground, but still...

    Plus, a guy saying that he wants to marry you is a lot different than him actually doing it.  LoL.  Not everyone is as wonderful with following through as you are.

     
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    @Miss Tattoo:But but but, not all women who are waiting nag and talk about engagements :D And to be fair, your honeyman was speaking in terms of men, which isn't fair or correct. If any woman had spoken the same way she would've gotten more than what your mister recieved in comments :)

     
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    That's neat that you guys had dated before. I've never read your bio :/

     
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    Lillindy    September 2008   Bay Area, CA

    I've deleted a number of personal attacks on this thread.  And just to be clear, curse words aimed at other users are out of line & definitely is considered a personal attack.  Let's please stick to the topic.  Thanks! 

     
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    SecretBee23    March 15, 2013  

    Man, it's weird to read almost word-for-word what my b/f's been saying for a month now. I'm the one who can't leave the topic alone.. I think I just need to shut up (or really really try to shut up..lol) about rings and engagements and all that stuff!

     
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    Pia2010    November 26, 2009  

    I think you mean well but there's a few points in this post that are patronising and chauvinistic:

    'Men? We are not that intuned to our emotions to know.'

    'To many men that equals=no more sex with other women'

    'If you know he has it, don't nag him about it.'

    'If a guy feels like the only thing you care about is the ring and wedding, then he's not going to want to do it. If you keep talking about it, you are going to get a shut up ring instead of an engagement ring.'

    All yucky IMO. 

     
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    kate169    May 21, 2011   Virginia

    Yes...I agree. And I try to tell my friends this. Esp the no nagging part. But I know from experience....IT'S HARD!!! lol It's definitely easier said than done.

     
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    MissBoPeep       New England

    @Mr. Tattoo: I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to write a post from a man's point of view on waiting.  One word of advice so you don't get torn to shreds on the waiting boards a la Mr. Coffee - try not to write with blanket statement (men feel this, men think that).  Tell us what your experience was. (This is what I felt when, this is what I think).  It's great to have a man's pov, but it is only one man's pov, not all men's!  :)

    I can't agree with this statement:

    After some more thinking I told her one night in the shower, "I'm going to make you my wife..." BAM! This is where you ladies should LEAVE IT ALONE!

    I understand what you mean, and I think we've all gotten the advice to give. it. a. rest.  But, if your man said he wants to marry you two years ago, and you haven't heard anything since, I think you should probably say something.  Either that or you could wind up sitting in relationship limbo for a loooong time. 

    Again, thanks for the post! 

     
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    Sking    October 8, 2011  

    I think I can appreciate where you're going with this post, and I think there are some ladies on the waiting board that will benefit from your honesty.

    Like some of the PP, I would caution against using generalizations that perpetuate the stereotype of the female as overly emotional, "nag"ging and pressuring the male into a marriage he is not ready for, and unable to comprehend the financial reality of a major purchase.  I'm trying to be constructive, but just reading the word "nag" in your post raised my hackles.  Uh!  

    Please do continue to share your experiences, but please understand that you are not all men.   

     
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    Isilme       Texas

    Thanks for posting this.  I think it'd be great if more Bee-guys were willing to share their experiences and feelings about this whole part of their relationships' evolution from dating to wed (or soon-to-be wed).

    More posts like this from men would give women a far better understanding of wha's going on in their man's head - my BF of forever has treated marraige as the forbidden subject, never to be spoken of because it meant someone was forcing the issue - not necessaraily me btw (I'd never have bridal magazines sent to the house unless there was a very specific photo or idea to share AFTER he'd proposed - he doesn't even know I've got a ring wishlist because I KNOW pushing the issue will pus HIM away) That said, I was shocked when he offered up some ideas about what he'd like for a wedding/honeymoon - without me mentioning it.  So it was a shock to hear he'd considered things when it'd been too hot to handle for so long.

    I'd like to stress to ladies who find objectionalbe statements in Mr. Tattoo's post that kind or PM'd critisicm is far more effective, and if any men who wants to share this valuable information with us waiting ladies see that every man gets his "ear" chewed out, they won't post and the male perpective will still be somewhat a mystery to us.  I think anyone on this board knows that each and every relationship is unique, so nothing anyone writes will apply to all of us at once. 

    That said, what I'd like to know is other than the monetary concerns of saving for a ring, and possibly for a grand proposal get away, once a man has it in his heart and in his head that he wants his SO to be his wife, what makes him wait?  To my knowledge, these days, the proposal process is a little less dicey for the guy than it used to be in the past where the woman had a good chance of rejecting him.  These days, many couples have been together long enough t ahve decided to live together, and gotten through hurdles that used to stymy married couples.  The woman, especially once she moves in, is usually on hold, already having decided that her man is THE man, barring any horrid discoveries about his personality or past/future.  So by this point, unless they are very young, I'd bet most ladies are ready to say, "Yes," to their SO should he propose.  The man holds the reins here, and once he's also decided she's the ONE, why would it take him (again, other than finances) so long (months or even years, somtimes even after getting the ring)?

    I'd just like to know some male perspectives on this, as the whole process of wating leaves many women an emotional wreck at times, wondering what's wrong with them, why he hasn't done it, is he not sure anymore...etc.  It plants a seed of doubt in what they otherwise thoght was a great partnership, and makes them question everything about themselves.

     
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    stephinPA    October 29, 2010   Reading, PA

    I like it from the man's point of view.  Great post.

     
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    Wonderwoman217       Augusta, Georgia

    @Isilme: Amen, hallelujah! Couldn't have said it better myself! You said what I was thinking, to the letter! Every.Single.Word!

     
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    AnnieAAA    October 25, 2009   Dallas, TX

    @Mr. Tattoo: I have had many male friends who share the exact/ very similar opinion as you. So of course you & the men I know, don't speak for all men, but IMO this is an opinion that reflects the majority.

     
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    msnelson13       Birmingham, AL

    As much as I want to understand how a man's mind works, and as much as I want your post to be the "aha! moment" for me to understand my SO, I am sad to report that absolutely none of your post (except the part about being scared of "the rest of your life") applies to my SO. 

    I KNOW that your post applies to many other women, and I know it will help them in their waiting period.  So THANK YOU!!! for posting.

    ....I just wish it could help me....

     
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    @Mr. Tattoo:  Thank you for your post!  While all men are different, that seriously sounds like something my BF would write in a very frank, honest manner.  

    All men are different  (just like women!) and I'm sorry that at some points your post wasn't viewed for what it really was- an aid to waiting bees with the best of intentions. 

     
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    tksjewelry    June 25, 2011   Omaha

    Mr. Tatoo, though I am not a Bee in waiting, I read your post to my FH "Sounds about right." he said.  I believe that Mr. Coffee said something similar a few months ago.  A guys perspective is appreciated.  Nice Job.

    Welcome to the Hive!

     
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    Mrs Grape    December 10, 2010  

    Definitely an opinion that reflects the majority I've seen. Nice post!

     
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    Mr. Tattoo    June 9, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    I am sorry some of you feel like I am making a blanket statement for men. That was not my intention.

    Someone asked once we have it in our hearts what makes us wait? Well, to avoid being attacked by certain bees, I will state why I felt like I had to wait.

    Maybe you have an idea or maybe not, but there is a lot of pressure on us to do the perfect proposal. You have to listen to news stories on TV, read it on the internet, listen to your girlfriend swoon about these men who have gone above and beyond. I mean, who can compete with the guy on youtube who did an iPhone proposal in the movies! He wrote a song about his girlfriend and his love! Or the guys who propose at Disneyworld complete with matching fireworks that display "Will you marry me Jen?" blown up in the sky.

    So now all of a sudden the idea of taking her back to the place where we first met seems so...cliche. I kind of got sucked in to the whole amazing over the top proposal I start coming up with crazy ideas like a random trip to New England for a nice weekend at a Bed and Breakfast. Then I realized I would have to wait until she got vacation time to take a long weekend and that wouldn't be happening until next spring. Then the John Williams tribute with the Pittsburgh Symphony came to town and I thought I could somehow get the conductor to play some sort of game with the audience, and then end up calling on us to go up on stage. Then the symphony would start playing "Across the Stars" from Star Wars (she loves Star Wars) and I would get down on one knee and say all the stuff I needed to say and then pop the question. Then I realized that she would probably have a panic attack in front of all of those people.

    So that's basically why I took so long. After I had the ring, I kept thinking I had to have this amazing proposal to go with it. The night that it happened, I kind of just went with it. It was private, I spoke from the heart, and she cried. There were no fireworks, private violinist, singers and dancers, or thousands of people watching and holding their breath.

    When she reacted, I knew right then that I should have done it a little earlier. I think she would have been happy if I did it over dinner at home.

    So that's my view. I waited because for a moment I thought I had to have this amazing over the top proposal.

     
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    @Mr. Tattoo: So that's my view. I waited because for a moment I thought I had to have this amazing over the top proposal.

    Thanks for sharing that - as you've probably read on these boards, to a lot of us, it almost feels like we're being punished for not being good enough, or that our SOs really don't want to marry us, that we're not pretty/sexy/charming/good enough cooks...etc, and women have TONS of people and media telling them that if he doens't propose by such and such, you should go find another fish in the sea - which is horrifying to think that the only power we have is over staying and waiting.... or chucking it all and leaving and never knowing if next week/month/year he'd have gotten over his fears and hesitation and decide that she's the most wonderful woman for him, all while hoping to meet someone else she can love who won't make her wait.

    It sounds like a game of emotional hopscotch, jumping from husband pontential to husband potential just to find one who'd marry you.  Or there are women like me who are kinda resigned to the fact that their guy "might" never, ever feel comfortable enough with marriage to marry them, and they decide to stick it out anyway and live with him because they love him, but feel uncertain if they're really good enough, or just good enough for right now.   I personally hate not knowing if my SO feels that way or not, and with so many other around us getting married this coming year it makes me feel something is wrong with me personally, and I can't figure out how to make him understand that.   

    I know to many men it just looks like we're all Bridezillas waiting to critique his choice of ring and his wallet and to gain the power to tell him to take out the trash instead of watching football, and I would really like to encourage Male Bees to share with us so we know it ain't so. Men seem so... uninterested in letting their SO know what's in their minds, and when you ahve to guess, you can often arrive at the wrong conclusion.

    I know many, many women on these waiting boards would be happy with a simple proposal over dinner, because HE PROPOSED and they would then KNOW how he felt about marrying them.  I saw a guy propose to a friend in her lipstick on thier bathroom mirror via her Facebook, and thought that was awesome, too bad I only wear lipgloss.

    Sorry for this being so long  - seem to always ahve too much to say.

     
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    @Mr. Tattoo: Probably exactly what my SO would say. I really appreicate the advise =)

     
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    Awesome post!  Many guy friends would say the exact same thing!

     
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    yearns4god    May 19, 2012   Stafford/Ft. Belvoir, VA

    Some is good advice, however, sorry this part unnerved me...

    After some more thinking I told her one night in the shower, "I'm going to make you my wife..." BAM! This is where you ladies should LEAVE IT ALONE!

     

    DUDE...let me tell you WRONG!!! We can't don't and won't leave it!!  YOU (GUYS) open the door on that one when you speak words like that to us women whom have been practically dreaming about it all our lives or 99% of our relationship with you.  My Fiance had said a couple weeks after our deciding to call ourselves officially dating, "If I had the money I would buy you a ring for Valentines day and propose to you then."  That was THREE yes THREE years ago! WRONG WRONG WRONG words to say to a gal who's been dying to hear those words.  A few months later, I went to bridal shows, got mags, went dress shopping and almost purchased one, then had to put a halt to it quickly because I realized he wasn't near to purchasing a ring...this was hard after KNOWING he had told me those words.  But you have to know that it's hard on us females when we are told that...it does something to us...it gets us excited, eager and full of anticipation.  When you let us down it's devestating to us.

    Looking back, I'm glad at the time he hadn't had the money to get a ring, wish things were a little different, but it's things that have gotten us to the point where we are now and I know that's what God has wanted for us.  Now, 3 years happy he and I geinuenly can't wait to be married to each other!!

     
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    MsMamaBear       Atlanta

    EXACTLY!--->YOU (GUYS) open the door on that one when you speak words like that to us women whom have been practically dreaming about it all our lives or 99% of our relationship with you.

    Why is that hard to comprehend?LMAO

     
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    vscheidt891    June 26, 2011   Maryville, TN

    My fiance eventually told me that he would propose when I stopped talking about it. When I told him I would stop asking and leave it up to him, he proposed the NEXT DAY! So I completely agree with this post.

     
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    Mr. Tatoo..... thank you for posting your male perspective.  Whether or not it relates to everyone is irrelevant.  Ladies, the more we know about how these "people" called men think, the better off we are.  For goodness sake, don't discourage him.  :-)

     

    So, Mr. Tatoo - what do you say about a man who:  A) loves you! shows you and tells you   B) says he can commit to you forever   C) wants to live together    D) says he would "never say never" and "never is a long time"  but wants the relationship to evolve and wants to ask when he's ready to do it   E)  says to his cousin "I'm not sure abot this marriage thing"  while you're sitting there and then realizes what he's said and grabs your hand and kisses it   F) tells you that if he never ever wanted to marry he would sit you down and say "just so you know, I'm never getting married again"  

    This particular man is in fact my SO.  He treats me like a queen, helps me financially (I'm going through a tough time in this department), is the sweetest most wonderful man in the entire world.

    Does one wait to see if/when he's "ready"?   In a heated moment back in the summer I did say "you've got one year buddy."  And I've not bothered him or brought up an ultimatum since....

    right now he's planning on selling or renting his home and moving in with me...all the while making financial contributions to my home which he KNOWS will not be in his name as long as we're single. 

    can you give me man advice on that situation????????? 

     

    I have to agree with you at the risk of all the other bees hating me.  Once they say they want to marry you and tell you this  - leave it alone!  I don't think bugging your man or nagging at him is going to make it happen any sooner and the last thing I want is a shut up ring or shut up proposal.   I'd give ANYTHING to hear that come from my guys' mouth.  To me, that WOULD be a proposal. However, I understand how hard it must be to wait...I'm just in a different place. 

    And moissanite - that sounds fine to me.  I just started researching those, and they are beautiful.  A ring is a ring is a ring.....  I'll take whatever he decides.  I would rather see the money go to a nice wedding and honeymoon.

     

     
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    @yearns4god: I'm glad you posted this. My boyfriend and I went through the same thing, and holy crap did it lead to some conflicts. In my opinion, making comments like that YEARS before you're ready to actually propose is kind of cruel, and of course it's going to drive us a bit bonkers. If you're not looking to propose within a reasonable timeframe, why would you even bring it up? 

     

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