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Just read that it's apparently now a reclaimed term, a moniker of pride. So, please explain. What is this new definition? Tks.
I live in the south and I don't think it's a term of pride..maybe for some people, but not for most. I think most would prefer to be called 'country'. It also depends how you say it. If it's meant as an insult, then it's obviously derogatory (the way it was originally used in the last thread about boars was DEFINITELY a derogatory comment).
I know it has to do with a coal mining rebellion where the miners wore red scarves around their necks during a battle....but I always think of my dad who thinks sunscreen is for lesser mortals and will sit on a tractor plowing fields for hours and thus end up with a red neck & white back. So I kind of like the term =)
p.s I don't know what the previous thread was, so excuse my ignorance on that aspect of this haha.
My husband is from the south, and definitley takes pride in his "redneck" status in an "I don't take myself too seriously" kind of way. No he doesn't have a Confederate flag waving around on his truck either. When I mentioned that some find it derogatory he laughed, so it probably just depends on the person's perception of the word.
As far as what it really means in terms of him, I'm not sure he even knows!
I think it might depend on the area. I am from rural Florida.. My husband hunts and fishes. We own an airboat. I have been to Nascar races.
Yet, we are not considered rednecks. I think for the most part, around here it still has the same deragatory meaning it always has; a poor, uneducated, unsophisticated bigoted white person. People might joke that they are a little redneck, but no one wants to be called that. It's pretty much the same as being called white trash. The people I have heard actually "claim it" and proudly say they are rednecks (not jokingly) tend to fit the above description.
@KatyElle: lol I think the term has been watered down a lot with how popular country music is getting...they call themselves redneck a lot and those guys are far from dingy looking back woods cousin lovers....
@bree72: I think for the most part, around here it still has the same deragatory meaning it always has; a poor, uneducated, unsophisticated bigoted white person. People might joke that they are a little redneck, but no one wants to be called that. It's pretty much the same as being called white trash.
I agree with everything you just said!!
I think for the most part, around here it still has the same deragatory meaning it always has; a poor, uneducated, unsophisticated bigoted white person. People might joke that they are a little redneck, but no one wants to be called that. It's pretty much the same as being called white trash.
This.
@murmur: My husband grew up in the mountains in a house with no running water. They used an outhouse. His stepfather was very live-off-the-land, he'd go on night hunting trips, he learned to fish on the river, they grew their own vegetables, stuff like that. For him it's more like "I can take care of myself without a 90 inch tv" kind of thing... you know?
If other people find it derogatory, I guess that's their perception. Won't stop him from saying it.
@KatyElle: yes! I totally know! I grew up in a house in the foothills without electricity or running water and with a vegetable garden and cattle ranch haha! (my parents did build a house with modern functions when I got older though, for the record!)
i think for most ppl its offensive but i dont think its anything to get worked up over. It can go eitherway... if its meant as a insult then yeah its obviously offensive. some ppl take pride in being called redneck, which i think they mean "country" since its used as a descriptive word for ---way of life---
I agree with bree's definition pretty much, "a poor, uneducated, unsophisticated bigoted white person." BUT I don't think it's quite the same as "white trash."
I don't think it necessarily has to have negative connotations (I might disagree with the word "bigoted" in the definition.) I can imagine some nice old man sitting on a tractor with a big grin on his face and only half his teeth. I think "white trash" is always mean, and refers to a mean person. "Redneck" could possibly be said affectionately, like about someone who grew up in the country and is just a poor, uneducated, but nice and friendly, white person.
Well, here in Wisconsin (at least in my area), redneck can be both a term of pride and derrogatory. "Rednecks" drive big, loud, old trucks with stack and such, listen to country music, swear a lot, and are generally Republican and often racist. Someone around here flies a huge confederate flag on his truck- definitely considered a redneck, which he obviously loves and most people consider terrible. We may have stolen the flag off his truck once... lol. He replaced it though.
ETA: Oh, and redneck around here definitely does not mean uneducated or poor. I know rich kids and college kids who'd be considered rednecks. And an old man farming and sitting on his porch in his farmer clothes would not be considered redneck at all... maybe a hillbilly, affectionately. Redneck and hick are pretty much synonyms here.
@joy2011:"Redneck" could possibly be said affectionately, like about someone who grew up in the country and is just a poor, uneducated, but nice and friendly, white person.
Being called poor or uneducated would never be taken as a term of affection LOL!
but not bashing you, just saying.......
My neighbor who was like my grandpa was an old "redneck" he never went to school past 6th grade and he was the smartest man ive ever met in my entire life. No Joke..... just saying haha
@murmur: His too! When he was 17 they moved into a place "in town" that had all that. I've seen his old house, and no one even lives in it anymore.
But he's the most open minded and cool person I know (he went to Drag Brunch with me a few times with my old theater friends) and grew up to be a fantastic chef, so redneck can't always mean white trash :-)
I am a born and bred West Virginian and I don't necessarily take offense to the term redneck if someone uses the term but I do think that it has a derogatory connotation. It originated in our coal mines when the miner's would rebel or go on strike and wore red hanks around their necks to show their loyalty.
I would love for people to stop assuming that since I am from West Virginia that I am a 'backwoods redneck' but I understand and appreciate my state's history and if that is the worst thing that I get called, I'm ok with that.
BWHHAHAHA those are AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!
why in the world anyone would want to own those things........ill never understand!
I see that my comment has offended people. (see boar thread) Sorry for that. It wasn't my intention.
My def of a redneck is based on how someone dresses. (IE: guy with cullotes and rubber boots in boar thread)
But I will not apologise for my extreme distaste for sport hunting.
ETA: can I throw in truck balls too?
@etrebin85: I would love for people to stop assuming that since I am from West Virginia that I am a 'backwoods redneck' but I understand and appreciate my state's history and if that is the worst thing that I get called, I'm ok with that.
Love this.
@KatyElle: I think it must just depend on the area. My grandma was raised like your husband (but in Florida), and she just considers herself a pioneer. :)
hunting, fishing, fixing cars, cut off t-shirts... all with a beer in hand. haha.
there is a fine line between a redneck and a hillbilly. and that's what most of you are describing.
listen to "backwoods" by justin moore. most people who consider themselves "rednecks", at least where i'm from, are just like the people he describes in his song. i prefer to say i'm marrying a backwoods boy. lol.
@bree72: I just think if that's what the person feels comfortable identify as a redneck, why does everyone else have to jump in and say it's derogatory because it implies that they are racist white trash? It's like the word "skinny" it means different things to different people, but I don't think it should be one of those universally horrible terms.
@sunshine_kar: Out of curiosity, what do you consider a hillbilly?
@KatyElle: Around here, people who truly consider themselves redneck are PROUD of being racist.
@galloway111: A racist is a racist, I don't really care what other labels they identify with.
@KatyElle: I'm not really sure what you mean by that... I'm just saying that where I live, rednecks are what I described above and racist is definitely one of the key points. Not that everyone who's racist is redneck, but I don't know anyone who is redneck in my area that isn't racist and proud to show it. Anyone who isn't racist is ashamed to be associated with rednecks, even if they drink beer, drive a truck, and listen to country.
I am still not really sure what it means either. I am from KY born & raised. I live in VA now. People from both states get called rednecks.
Where I live, in the south, redneck means simply that, if modern conveniences weren't available, you'd know how to hunt, fish, and grow your own food and provide for yourself. I grew up "country" and my husband grew up in a big city, but he could "redneck it" if he had to... guess it's like pp said, it is what you let it be. Not everything can be PC or it would be such a boring world.
@KatyElle: It's probably just the nature of any word that can be seen as (or was originally) deragatory. I think that the majority of people will still view the word in a deragatory way, so it's just natural for most to think that if you call yourself a term, you are implying all the bad things that come with it. Even if in your own mind it's describes something you're comfortable with or something completely different.
If I decide that "bitch" is a good word because I think it means "strong woman," and that's how I start labeling myself, I can't be mad when people also label me that way with their own perception of the word. Most people will still think "bitch" means a mean, selfish, unpleasant woman, so if I keep telling people that I'm a bitch, they are likely to start viewing me in that way, even if it's not true.
Does that make sense? I don't really think it's a big deal if you're comfortable with the label, it's just that the majority of people are likely going to assume the worst in the word.
@galloway111: I'm saying a racist is a racist. Just because some people who are racist also call themselves rednecks does not mean that one has anything to do with the other.
@Oneeleven: I am not offended at all. I just was wondering about this discussion. For the record, I am a black, middle class woman raised in NYC suburbs, college and law school educated. I didn't really have a definition at all (besides the obvious) so I was intrigued by the proud redneck idea.
What are truck balls?
I agree. It's a word that's been made fun of in social media as well. It's much more socially acceptable to call someone a redneck.
I mean, can you imagine a popular radio song making jokes called "You know you're a Racist When...."? I don't think it would fly.
Also, Trailer Park Boys, Southpark, etc.
But I guess like every word, it has different meanings to different people. So I think to better understand that, I am trying to take in what it means to others.
@galloway111: HAHA! I am sure they are. (I hope you aren't eek, but I respect your right to be that way)
@KatyElle: I agree with you. We joke around all the time that my FI and his friends are rednecks (because they hunt, love camo, farm, talk with a twang, and spit) but really... I know my FH is not a racist. So- I don't think they are one in the same.
@heather25: LMAO! Truck balls are this hideous decoration that looks like a giant scrotum, which some people attach to the rear bumper of their (usually large and loud) truck... I can't stand them!
@bree72: It's about knowing who you're talking to as well. My family up in Massachusetts lovingly refers to my husband as "That redneck you married!" and my husband, when talking about say, how the Hokies are playing this season, or Nascar, might throw it out there.
Would he walk into a job interview and say "Well first off, I am a huge redneck"? No he would not. Know thy audience!
@jjmomma: & @MrsRuby: AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why haven't these made their way up the northeast coast! At least to the Jersey shore!
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