Post # 1
While I’m not particularly anti-circumcision if that’s the way you want to go, I’m curious why we consider it normal and some even healthy to circumcise boys but to do a similar procedure on a girl is genital mutilation.
I’d be curious on people’s thoughts one way or another without accusations. A mature debate must be possible on this topic.
Post # 3
I’m not exactly sure why it became the “norm.” After researching a little bit myself, I see no medical need for it, and just like you said – it’s considered genital mutiliation for a girl, why is it so widely accepted for a boy? They say it doesn’t hurt, but I can’t imagine that it’s painless! And I couldn’t bear to hear my baby scream, I say let the boy grow up and decide for himself!
Actually, my midwife told me that between early bible times and just the last hundred years, it was nonexistant. Then in the early 1900’s people thought that if they circumsized their sons, they wouldn’t be able to masturbate, and masturbating was such an awful thing back then. I think that’s sick!! That they thought cutting it off would “cure” the problem. She has some literature on it, I should find it so I can reference this story – I feel bad not citing it!!
Post # 4
- Wedding: March 2010 - Calamigos Ranch
Not taking sides or anything, but male circumcision isn’t the equivalent of female genital mutilation, which involves the removal of some or all of the clitoris. None of the sensitive parts of the penis are actually removed, just the skin surrounding those parts. There is definitely room to debate whether that practice on its own is barbaric/painful/necessary/etc., but it confuses the issue when it’s compared to female “circumcision.”
Post # 5
I think this is something that is highly dependent on several factors!
For every view you have, you can find a study , a book, an article, a legal group that will support it and refute it- both using medical aspects and historical aspects.
I respect whatever past cultures or religions etc have done with it and not sure how I feel about it today. It depends on my husband and what we agree on together.
Post # 6
@miss-spunkin: I’m pretty sure any Jewish person would disagree with your midwife
Post # 7
@LGenz: Despite the Jewish population being prominent, statistically we’re a tiny percentage so to say it all but disappeared in the USA could be true even if all Jewish males (and Muslim ones) were circumcised.
Post # 8
I don’t have a stong opinion on it either way so I will leave it up to Darling Husband if/when we have a boy.
Darling Husband is not circumcised so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d choose the same for a future son but I’d be fine with either way. Darling Husband is not unclean or gross down there because he takes care of himself so I don’t really see that as a valid argument for circumcision (and that seems to be one of the common arguments I see being made for it).
There has been a few threads in the past with some interesting discussion and a lot of arguments for and against both sides if you want to read them.
Post # 9
@spaniel: Foreskin is innervated and sensitive. And some female circumcision is only the removal of the hood.
Post # 10
It has gone down in popularity in the US but it still is a pretty hefty percentage (reports I’ve read have been 30-40% these days), and it is much lower in places like Europe. The medical literature on it is pretty much this: there is no hard evidence for it, and no hard evidence against it.
Basically, if you want to circumcise for cultural or religious reasons, there is very very very little chance of complications (particularly if you have it done OUTSIDE of a hospital which is a breeding ground for infection), studies on adults who have had the procedure in adulthood have no conclusive evidence regarding effect on sexual sensitivity (some show slight decline, some slight increase, but most no effect…as for having it as an infant–I’ve never met a man who was circumcised and was not sexually satisfied). It has been shown to reduce the risk of some infections and penile cancer, but the risks of those are both so low to begin with that it’s not a great argument for it either. In Africa, where access to condoms is low, it has been shown to markedly reduce the risk of HIV transfer in heterosexual men–but again, if you live in the US or another 1st world country this is not a strong reason either.
In all honesty, the only strong reason to do it is religion/culture, but rest assured that if you DO choose it, the procedure is pretty darn safe. I’ve attended several for religious reasons, and watched babies sleep through it (if mom is holding the baby it will sleep–they apply a topical anesthetic so the baby won’t feel it. The ones I’ve seen where the baby cried, it was because they put him down on a table and stretched him out–most babies with that will cry LONG before the cut!).
The difference between circumcision and FGM is twofold. One, the point of FGM is to reduce sexual sensitivity to little or none, which is not the point of male circumcision, not is it male circumcision’s outcome (according to most medical bodies). Two, FGM DOES reduce take away sexual sensitivity completely or mostly, while male circumcision when done by a professional is unlikely to have any effect at all on the matter.
Post # 11
As a side note, I know a guy who got it done in college, and on a purely anecdotal basis, he said it dramatically increased the number of girls willing to perform oral sex on him. Obviously it’s a one man case study, but I always found that funny!
Post # 12
I’m leaving it up to Fiance to decide if we have boys. I personally don’t think that FGM and circumcision are even comparable. Like bearlove said, the goal of each procedure is totally different.
@bearlove: While to me it makes no differene I know that most of the females I know are absolutely grossed out by an uncircumcised penis. I’m not surprised at your friend’s story.
Post # 13
I honestly can’t add anything worthwhile at this point, b/c it was a non-issue in our home. I can’t believe that three boys later I haven’t educated myself on why my children had surgery, however safe compared to other surgeries, in their first days of life. This is a great chance to share information and answer concerns if we can keep it above board!
I think I fall in with the majority of people in the US who do it b/c that’s just what we know.
Post # 14
I’m a former nurse and used to assist with the procedure. It never felt right for me, and after doing research, I am anti routine infact circumcision.
I only know one baby out of my group of friends who did it. They had to get an appointment when their son was a few weeks old and do it. They had to pay out of pocket.
Post # 15
The equation of male circumcision and FGM bothers me. Makes me feel as though people are reducing the very real horrors of FGM.
Post # 16
@bearlove: and @Ms. Martian: and @plantains: I agree with you guys that I don’t think one can really compare circumcision and female genital mutilation.