*Spinoff* Dog swatting vs. kid spanking

posted 3 years ago in Home
  • poll: What side do you take?
    Spanking and swatting are OK : (32 votes)
    30 %
    Spanking is OK swatting is NOT : (14 votes)
    13 %
    Swatting is OK spanking is NOT : (7 votes)
    7 %
    Spanking AND swatting are NOT OK. : (24 votes)
    23 %
    Depends on the kid to OK spanking, Swatting is NOT OK : (5 votes)
    5 %
    It depends on the dog to OK swatting, spanking is NOT OK : (4 votes)
    4 %
    It depends on the dog AND kid if spanking is OK : (9 votes)
    9 %
    Other : (4 votes)
    4 %
    I wanna see the votes : (6 votes)
    6 %
  • Post # 3
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    2546 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: April 2013

    To me, the difference is that you can’t talk to your dog, explain dangers, and tell them how disappointed you’re in them. Cause they lack the ability of human language.

    Post # 4
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    8518 posts
    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: April 2014

    @bebero:  This exactly. You can explain to kids why they are getting a spanking. You cant explain that to dogs, all they know is that you are causing them pain for some reason and they dont know why.

    Post # 5
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    2546 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: April 2013

    @allyfally:  good god. i’m not having conversation with somebody who’d rather spank a kid than swat a dog because i find it utterly disturbing.

    good bye.

    Post # 6
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    1823 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: August 2011

    Dogs don’t understand reason and they can’t understand long term cause and effect. In order for a dog to understand discipline, it has to occur immediately after the dog does something wrong. I would compare swatting a dog to slapping an infants hand, rather than spanking. The goal isn’t to hurt so much as to get their attention and be mildly unpleasant

    Post # 7
    Member
    502 posts
    Busy bee

    In the wild, in packs, dogs (and wolves!) rely on the alphas nipping to correct their behaviours, because dogs can’t explain to other dogs why something is dangerous or hazardous to their personal health/pack health. It catches their attention and if it’s to help them not do something dangerous, e.g. eat an open flame or run into traffic, then it’s beneficial.

    We make ourselves part of the pack for dogs so we can’t just ignore ingrained pack behaviour.

    Children, in somewhat the same way, it is something to catch the attention, when you don’t have time to say “DON’T TOUCH THE STOVE”, you just have to act immediately and in a way that leaves a lasting impression. Not painful, but attention-grabbing.

    Post # 8
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    611 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    I would never swat/spank a dog.  I’d prefer my dog see my hands as good things, being cuddled/pet/treats etc than become hand shy! 

    I don’t have children yet, but also don’t advocate hitting either. 

    Post # 9
    Member
    5222 posts
    Bee Keeper

    I definitely lightly popped my dog ( when he was a pup) on the rear when he did something wrong. IDC if people on the Bee think that is abuse or not. My dog is now well behaved, doesn’t cower in fear and obviously loves/respects me as the owner and primary care taker of him. He was completely unruly when we first adopted him, and through a lot of work, trainers and very, very firm discipline and routines– he is a great dog now that people enjoy being around.

    I also would pop a kid on the behind if need be. Depends on the kid/circumstance, but I wouldn’t rule it out. 

     

     

    Post # 10
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    8518 posts
    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: April 2014

    @bebero:  Uh. What? All I said is the exact same thing you did.

    Post # 11
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    752 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2014

    I would never, ever EVER swat or spank my dogs. EVER. 

    I don’t have kids, so I’ll reserve my judgement since I don’t know anything about it.

     

    Post # 12
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    2546 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: April 2013

    @allyfally:  I meant “talk, explain dangers, and tell them how disappointed you are” as opposed to spanking a kid which I’m very against of

    Post # 13
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    1169 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

    I do not believe in spanking children. Years and years of research have proven that it’s not an effective form of discipline. I don’t think people who spank (in an appropriate way) are abusers, I just don’t think it’s effective or humane discipline. I work in child abuse and it’s just further driven home for me that children are sensitive beings and can be disciplined in so many other ways that are better for me.

    I wouldn’t say I use swatting as a primary form of discipline for the dog, but I’m not going to say I’ve never “popped” him or that I wouldn’t. I don’t think it’s generally necessary, but I do think it’s a quick way to drive home the idea of “no” for a dog. I think the intention is more to shock or distract the dog from bad behavior, not to hurt or scare them. 

    Post # 14
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    8518 posts
    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: April 2014

    @bebero:  And so am I. I was just explaining that IF you do swat/spank your kids, you can at least explain to them why. And you cant do that with a dog.

    Post # 15
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    249 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: September 2014 - FMILs back yard

    I think hitting (or swatting) any living thing (especially one that is smaller or weaker than yourself) as a form of punishment for wrongdoing is unncessecary and should/could be avoided. 

    Post # 16
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    2565 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: October 2014

    I do not think it is appropriate to hit a child or a dog as a means of discipline.  There are much better ways to raise children and train dogs.

    Yes, there are people who were spanked and feel it did not affect them in the long run, while others resent their parents and were fearful children.  Same with dogs, your dog may be fine but may also be very timid and fearful because they don’t want to be hit.  I once met a dog trainer who was very Cesar Millan style, alpha rolling and swatting, and her Labrador was very timid and fearful.  Labs are suposed to love every person they meet, so it was very sad for me to see this dog who probably would have had a comletely different personality with a different owner.

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