Post # 1
So I started thinking with some of the posts…
The one post about spanking and the post about dog abuse. Now I’m not comparing the two by any means, that poor dog was tortured is more like it but…
There’s a lot of controversy on spanking children and on popping dogs while training as well. Some people believe spanking is necessary some dont believe in it. Some people think rubbing a dogs nose in poo and swatting with a news paper is acceptable and some don’t believe any type of swatting is acceptable.
So I’m wondering where others stand and the reasoning behind this.
Do you agree with spanking and popping? Do you agree with spanking not popping, popping not spanking or no spanking or swatting. Now this isn’t in refrence to abuse, abuse isn’t of course necessary in either circumstance, but do you agree or disagree with either method?
Post # 3
To me, the difference is that you can’t talk to your dog, explain dangers, and tell them how disappointed you’re in them. Cause they lack the ability of human language.
Post # 4
@bebero: This exactly. You can explain to kids why they are getting a spanking. You cant explain that to dogs, all they know is that you are causing them pain for some reason and they dont know why.
Post # 5
@allyfally: good god. i’m not having conversation with somebody who’d rather spank a kid than swat a dog because i find it utterly disturbing.
Post # 6
Dogs don’t understand reason and they can’t understand long term cause and effect. In order for a dog to understand discipline, it has to occur immediately after the dog does something wrong. I would compare swatting a dog to slapping an infants hand, rather than spanking. The goal isn’t to hurt so much as to get their attention and be mildly unpleasant
Post # 7
In the wild, in packs, dogs (and wolves!) rely on the alphas nipping to correct their behaviours, because dogs can’t explain to other dogs why something is dangerous or hazardous to their personal health/pack health. It catches their attention and if it’s to help them not do something dangerous, e.g. eat an open flame or run into traffic, then it’s beneficial.
We make ourselves part of the pack for dogs so we can’t just ignore ingrained pack behaviour.
Children, in somewhat the same way, it is something to catch the attention, when you don’t have time to say “DON’T TOUCH THE STOVE”, you just have to act immediately and in a way that leaves a lasting impression. Not painful, but attention-grabbing.
Post # 8
I would never swat/spank a dog. I’d prefer my dog see my hands as good things, being cuddled/pet/treats etc than become hand shy!
I don’t have children yet, but also don’t advocate hitting either.
Post # 9
I definitely lightly popped my dog ( when he was a pup) on the rear when he did something wrong. IDC if people on the Bee think that is abuse or not. My dog is now well behaved, doesn’t cower in fear and obviously loves/respects me as the owner and primary care taker of him. He was completely unruly when we first adopted him, and through a lot of work, trainers and very, very firm discipline and routines– he is a great dog now that people enjoy being around.
I also would pop a kid on the behind if need be. Depends on the kid/circumstance, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
Post # 10
@bebero: Uh. What? All I said is the exact same thing you did.
Post # 11
I would never, ever EVER swat or spank my dogs. EVER.
I don’t have kids, so I’ll reserve my judgement since I don’t know anything about it.
Post # 12
@allyfally: I meant “talk, explain dangers, and tell them how disappointed you are” as opposed to spanking a kid which I’m very against of
Post # 13
I do not believe in spanking children. Years and years of research have proven that it’s not an effective form of discipline. I don’t think people who spank (in an appropriate way) are abusers, I just don’t think it’s effective or humane discipline. I work in child abuse and it’s just further driven home for me that children are sensitive beings and can be disciplined in so many other ways that are better for me.
I wouldn’t say I use swatting as a primary form of discipline for the dog, but I’m not going to say I’ve never “popped” him or that I wouldn’t. I don’t think it’s generally necessary, but I do think it’s a quick way to drive home the idea of “no” for a dog. I think the intention is more to shock or distract the dog from bad behavior, not to hurt or scare them.
Post # 14
@bebero: And so am I. I was just explaining that IF you do swat/spank your kids, you can at least explain to them why. And you cant do that with a dog.
Post # 15
- Wedding: September 2014 - FMILs back yard
I think hitting (or swatting) any living thing (especially one that is smaller or weaker than yourself) as a form of punishment for wrongdoing is unncessecary and should/could be avoided.
Post # 16
I do not think it is appropriate to hit a child or a dog as a means of discipline. There are much better ways to raise children and train dogs.
Yes, there are people who were spanked and feel it did not affect them in the long run, while others resent their parents and were fearful children. Same with dogs, your dog may be fine but may also be very timid and fearful because they don’t want to be hit. I once met a dog trainer who was very Cesar Millan style, alpha rolling and swatting, and her Labrador was very timid and fearful. Labs are suposed to love every person they meet, so it was very sad for me to see this dog who probably would have had a comletely different personality with a different owner.