SPINOFF: Shaming

posted 3 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: We should treat obesity with more sensitivity than other issues
    Strongly agree : (21 votes)
    10 %
    Agree : (23 votes)
    11 %
    I don't agree or disagree : (22 votes)
    11 %
    Disagree : (67 votes)
    32 %
    Strongly disagree : (69 votes)
    33 %
    Not sure : (7 votes)
    3 %
  • Post # 3
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    614 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    @Chael:  I’m not sure I’d call it alright to make fun of people who don’t understand things as complex or as quickly as I do.

    Post # 4
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    2103 posts
    Buzzing bee

    I can see that this thread may become heated so I’ll throw in some humor and share that my favorite kind of shaming is dog shaming:

     

    Post # 5
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    6812 posts
    Busy Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2014

    Uhm, it’s really never ok to make fun of someone’s intelligence. Who said that’s ok?

    I’m not saying it’s ok to make fun of someone’s weight, but I agree w/ you that as a whole, this country (US) is way too sensitive about the topic – and about a lot of things in general, honestly. People get their panties in a bunch over the silliest things. It doesn’t help anyone to get offended – just move on if you don’t like it.

    And I agree that it’s an epidemic and it should be addressed. I know that genetics play a role or medical conditions, but that’s not the reason why SO many people are obese in the US and not in other countries. Besides, it might just mean you have to work harder NOT to be obese. But there’s NO excuse for obesity, it’s never ok. I’m not saying having a few extra pounds is terrible, but obesity? Not ok. Ever.

    Post # 6
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    6505 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @Chrysoberyl:  hahahahaha I LOVE these pictures! 

    @Chael:  FWIW, I don’t think it’s okay to make fun of someone’s intelligence. That being said, I do think we need to take off our “sensitive gloves” when talking about obesity. 

    It is a very real problem in our culture and I’m sick of people saying they can’t help it or that they don’t want to discuss it or getting upset because it is being discussed. I know it takes hard work but I also know it can be done. I have watched two people in my life go from being obese to a healthy weight for their body. I have also watched one friend refuse to do anything and the health problems just keep piling on.

     

    Post # 9
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    2103 posts
    Buzzing bee

    @Chael: I know but it always happens. There was once a thread about someone not liking coconut water and a couple bees just JUMPED her like “THIS IS PART OF ANOTHER CULTURE! YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO SHOW YOUR DISTATE OF SOMETHING THAT IS SUCH A BIG DEAL IN ANOTHER CULTURE.”

    I do like reading interesting debates on here so I want to keep it light so I can enjoy reading it. See? I’m just selfish. LOL. 

    Post # 10
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: April 2014

    I think a major issue is that weight is such a problem with so many people. The more people that it affects, the more people will take offense and react when someone says something about obesity. Strength in numbers!

    Post # 11
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    7279 posts
    Busy Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

    “fat shaming” is becoming the new “bullying” IMO in terms of buzz words. I’m so over it. I’ve got more way more chunky in my monkey and Maria Kang doesnt bother me one bit. 

     

     

     

    Post # 14
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    2355 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

    I think the obese, much like smokers and others, take offense to the fact that their bodies and health and choices are considered social issues and open for commentary by others. The very notion of “we the people need to treat this subject” is offensive and worrisome to them.

    Post # 15
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: September 2012

    @Chrysoberyl:  dog shaming and cat shaming will pretty much improve any life situation.

    @Chael:  While I don’t consider an article about the health implications of obesity to be fat shaming, I do think that fat shaming happens.  I guess the issue comes down to the fact that obesisty is both a medical issue and also a lifestyle choice……sometimes more (or all) of one vs. the other in each individual person.  

    In this way, as a medical condition, I think we do need to be sensitive to it.  A comparable would be that we wouldn’t shame women with breast cancer for not doing monthly checks or yearly mammograms….we would recommend those things but wouldn’t say that she “deserves” cancer because she didn’t do them.  Likewise, an obese person that eats well and exercises doesn’t deserve to be shamed.

    On the other hand, sometimes being obese is more of a lifestyle choice.  I still don’t think that shaming is ever appropriate, but I don’t think it’s shaming to be honest about the person’s contributions to their own condition. 

    The bottom line is that the health risks/consequences can (and should) be honestly, clearly and  and respectfully discussed without any element of blame/shame, regardless of the “cause” of the obesity.  Being honest and being sensitive/respectful are not mutually exclusive.

    Post # 16
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    I think our definitions of obese are off as well. According to BMI (which has been proved in multiple places to be an inaccurate measure) calls me obese. I am definately not svelte, but I wouldn’t call myself obese by any stretch. We have plus sized models who are a size 10. The average American woman is a 12. I think we’ve got issues with the definition as well as now we deal with it. 

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