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I agree with the family/relation restriction, due to the health risks posed to their possible children and/or family coercion. But other than that, I'm not sure there are other types of 2 person marriage beyond heterosexual and homosexual, unless I'm totally missing something.
I think that certain relatives should not get married because this could cause genetic diseases and defects in children, and in some cases may raise some doubts about whether there actually is consent.
I also think that restrictions on bigamy/polygamy are reasonable for tax/welfare reasons.
Out of curiosity, what restrictions do you agree with? I just think a little perspective or a few different examples might help other posters think about their answers. Most people are probably looking at this as just a gay/straight question.
Other than incest I see no reason why consenting adults shouldn't be able to marry whomever they choose.
yeah besides gay marriage (in most states) I don't see what marriages are illegal if it's 2 adults.. unless you talking about relatives.. I know here in utah cousins cannot get married unless you're 65 or older.. it's some weird exception like that..
I feel if 2 people are 18 and older, and not blood related I feel they should be able to get married.
@sweetpea87: That's how I took it due to the '2 consenting adults' language. That takes out any discussion of age or multiple partner marriages.
Yeah, incest is the only real problem I see here since the mixing of such similar gene pools has devastating effects on variability.
Incest is the only thing I can think of that I wouldn't agree with. I'm even okay with polyagmy, as lost as the polygamist only receives the legal benefits of being married once. That way taxes and property things would still be fair, and people won't benefit from being married more than once. I think a good system would be where the polygamist assigns rights to a spouse (ex. X spouse gets my social security when I die).
I brought up incest in the other thread, and so far only one person agreed with me there, but many continued to state that as long as it was between two consent adults it was fine.
Besides the genetic issues, morally I just have a huge issue with the thought of genetically close relatives marrying each other.
@NDBee: I agree, many times relatives marrying each other wouldn't be fully consensual, but sometimes it could be.
I honestly can't think of many scenarios in which I'd say two people shouldn't get married and have it legally recognized. Incest I suppose, depends on the specifics. Couples with a documented history of domestic violence perhaps, or point them in the right direction for pre marriage counseling before granting them a marriage license. That's really about it.
@sweetpea87: I was thinking in terms of blood relatives, or even non-blood relatives (like 2 step siblings who actually grew up together as siblings). In the question, I figured people could include polygamy if that's how they took it, or not.
@AB Bride: If the marriage was truly between two consenting adult relatives, AND one or both of them was sterile, AND none of their relatives would be scarred for life by it, then I logically don't have a problem with that. There's still a huge ick factor of course, but other people's freedoms shouldn't be restricted just because I find the idea super gross.
I think that every adult should have the right to choose who to marry.
I think the domestic violence is an interesting point as well. Also, I would be fine if there was some limit on a couple who divorced each other previously, either a time limit before remarrying each other or if they actually got divorced twice that would be it.
Although the idea of incest is unsettling, I don't agree with the gene pool argument as it reminds me of of arguments for the sterilization of certain ethnic groups and of people with disabilities. And if you take that out of the equation, it just boils down to the uncomfortable factor within our mores.
So, I have to say yes, between any consenting adults.
@Roe: It's not really the same. Incest is bad because it dramatically increases the chance of harmful recessive traits actually being expressed. One generation of incest is usually not too big a deal, but if it goes on too long, it can lead to a very ill population. Take the royal families of Europe for example. They were quite a sickly bunch as a result of all the intermarriage. Incest is also bad for humanity because it lessens genetic diversity, which reduces our chance of surviving whatever epidemic is next thrown at us.
There is quite a difference between sterilizing an entire group of people based on some idea of the perfect human, and discouraging one individual from mating with one specific other individual out of health concerns.
@Lemma: I didn't say they were the exactly the thing, I said it reminded me of sterilization. My point is that I'm not comfortable drawing a line anywhere when it comes to dictating who can get married/who can have children as it seems like a slippery slope. Perhaps there can be mandatory testing for blood relative couples who want to have children, but I don't think that we can say no, this is illegal.
I'm personally more comfotable with the idea of having to deal with the genetic implications of allowing it than the sociological implications of forbidding it.
EDIT: Also, there have been arguments for the sterilization of specific people due to a physical disability or low IQ, not just an ethnic group.
@Roe: It just seems like there are many other options for a blood relative couple than to put their child in danger by having it together. The couple could adopt, or get donor sperm or a donor egg. Restricting the couple's ability to have a biological child together seems like a small thing considering the genetic downsides.
If our genetic testing ability is ever good enough to be able to properly test for all harmful interactions, then my answer will change. For the time being, I am in favour of restricting incest that produces a child, the same way that I am in favour of restricting child abuse.
EDIT (to answer your edit): I know there have, but were there any serious suggestions of that? Were there any that were made in a serious way in a democratic country?
@Lemma: There totally are more, better options. And I certainly wouldn't be advocating for these hypothetical couples to have biological children, but I also wouldn't advocate against their ability to get married (which was the topic we got on a tangent from) or choice to have children if they wanted. (Though I could understand testing and education about the results or something, not sure how you could implement or dictate that.) I think our cultural "ick" factor is so entrenched in the idea of blood relatives marrying, that it would not be a situation that would happen often enough to have a great impact on the gene pool at large.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there have been some cases in the US. I remember learning about it in college, but can't remember specific names. Its sad.
Roe, I realize there are people who feel as you do, I'm just surprised that it's as high as 74% on the bee!
I think marriage should be allowed between two adults, of no blood relation any greater than twice removed (so that means you can marry your 2nd cousin, but not your 1st).
But I do not think polygamy is a good thing in our society, unless there is a population shortage, and the population needs to grow quickly. The reason is this: guys need women. And if you have more than one wife per man, pretty soon you're going to run out of women to go around. (And vice versa with one wife and multiple husbands.) And that's not good for society. Having one spouse at a time keep the ratio of available men vs available women pretty even.
@AB Bride: Heh, I think most people didn't consider all of the implications of the poll before they answered. ;)
@cubicalmouse: Its surprising how many states already allow marriage between first cousins.
@Lemma: While I agree with you on the no close blood relatives reproducing, I wanted to respond to the comments about sterilization.
There were ABSOLUTELY movements like this in the U.S. Look up eugenics sometime - that's exactly what it was all about. Vermont has some major history in this area, as do some other parts of the U.S. The movement fell into disfavor around WWII because people started to realize it was alot like what the Nazis were trying to do.
I said no because I don't believe in relatives marrying each other. That's how I read the question. I'm surprised at how many people said yes.
I answered incorrectly. I think gay marriage is fine, but don't think relatives should be allowed to marry. I also don't believe in polygamy.
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I was a little surprised by the number of people who said that as long as marriage was between 2 consenting adults, they thought it should be allowed. This surprised me a little, as I do agree with some restrictions on who can marry who.