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My fiance and I have had multiple "discussions" about his bachelor party--- I really don't like strip clubs for a variety of reasons, but I decided to compromise and he can go to one for his bachelor party. I can deal for one night.
But I can't budge on physical contact. It's not a trust issue - I know the stripper isn't looking to take anything home from him but his cash - but I think it's disrespectful and not really in the spirit of marriage to have another woman all on him. So he agreed that he won't get any lap dances.
Is this realistic? I know a few of his friends'll be getting them. If he tells them not to buy him any, are they going to listen? I personally doubt it, but he tells me I just have to trust him. It's not like all of his friends are dirtbags, but there are one or two I could see being like, "he's the bachelor! Take care of him!" Yuck.
I don't really want to lay down the law and say "no strip clubs," but I will be so hurt if he gets a dance. I just can't wait for the party to be over.
Any thoughts? Is a true look-no-touch experience realistic?
I understand a lot of women feel the way you do about strip clubs. It personally doesn't bother me. I think if it was about 5 yrs ago I would have had a fit but I trust my FI totally and say knock yourself out. Don't get me wrong this can't be a regular thing but for the bachelor party go ahead. Plus he hates germs so I can't see him letting them do to much LOL
If your FI is strong enough to say "no" and mean it, then you'll be fine. If you think he'll waver and give in, even under the influence of alcohol (which i only understand to an extent--even when I drink heavily I still maintain my wits about me).
It's not a matter of whether or not your FI's friends listen...it's a matter of what your FI does. He's right, you do have to trust him. If he knows how you feels about them and respects them, he'll maintain the hands off mentality and hopefully mention it to his buds ahead of time. But if he's a pushover about it, his buddies will get their way. You know him well enough--is he the kind of guy who can say no, mean it, and that be that?
My personal opinion is that bachelor parties are the opportunity for the groom's friends to act like drunken frat boys. I wouldn't want my FI giving me "rules" for my bachelorette party and therefore, I will not be giving him "rules" for his.
You've told him how you feel. If he feels comfortable with his guys saying "no lap dances" then that's great. But if something were to happen, I would just let it go. Keep in mind that everyone will be drunk and all his friends will be putting him under tons of pressure to do this kind of stuff. Personally, my FI would be mortified to tell all his buddies, "my FI said I couldn't have any lap dances."
Just trust him. It's just a strip club, and nothing is going to be taken too far.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think it's unrealistic. His best man will want to show him a good time and will be trying to buy him lap dances.
I also don't understand girls who say "this is not a trust issue". I personally think it is. FI and I have not really talked about boundaries for our bachelor and bachelorette parties because we trust each other. I certainly would not want FI telling me what I can and cannot do during my bachelorette party and I won't be telling him what he is allowed to do or not do during his bachelor party. To me strip clubs are not a big deal. I know my FI is having fun with his friends, but to me a lap dance means nothing of substance. Maybe I also feel this way because my FI is not very into going to strip clubs. He has been a couple of times for friend's bachelor parties and will go for his, but not super interested in strippers.
1) His friends are going to buy him lap dances anyway.
2) They aren't a big deal. I think you should go to the strip club with him before the bachelor party to see what kind of things happen there. It might be a fun "warm up" (if you're sexually active) and you can maybe talk to some of the girls there and let them know your concerns. Remember, they're women just like you are, not automatons so perhaps you can find one to tell you the real deal.
3) If you tell him no strip clubs, his friends will just get a stripper to come to wherever they are anyway.
@Jessica22580 - I am not being sarcastic when I say, literally, good for you. I wish it didn't bother me, because this would be a lot easier if it didn't. But it does, so we have to compromise. Just the way it goes :)
@ejs4y8 - I don't know. In general, he's a morally strong guy. But he really views this party as for his friends. That's when I get worried.
I feel the same way you do about strip clubs and I have asked FI to respect that rule whenif he goes for someone else' bachelor party. But, the guys are going to buy him one whether he wants it or not. He is the bachelor and I don't know how he would stop them. Can they go someplace else? If they do go, I think you are just going to have to trust him. I know you mentioned physical contact, but there can never be any physical contact even during a lap dance.
Boobs and alcohol don't mix. Sorry. If you are against a dance, I say mention camping or white water rafting.
I think that if you trust your guy, then it should be fine. They don't have to get a lapdance becasue they go to the strip club.
Picture saying, "Babe I'd rather you and the boys visit the Museum of Natural History instead of a Strip club". LOL
My stance (and he knows this) is that strip clubs are okay, but no touching. And the strippers must stay in their "natural habitat" (i.e. the club, no strippers to be sent to a hotel room).
i would trust my fi. however, this is how it went with my husband. we had the same discussion, i'm ok with the strip club but not with any girls who ha rubbing all over him. he said of course he's fine with that rule, but there's no way in hell his friends are NOT going to buy him a lap dance for his bachelorette party, that's why they're going there. he said instead of dealing with them, he'd rather just not go.
but your fi has different friends, you know him, you know best. and hopefully you're not marrying a guy you can't trust. so i would trust him.
@Jessica22580 - That was a little mean. They're playing poker, going to a Bulls game, and then hitting the bars. I expect them all to be drunken messes. I just don't want another girls tits on his face.
Honestly, I think it's a bit unrealistic to think he's not going to get a lap dance. I'm not saying he's going to ask for one himself but his friends are going to get him one. Yes, he probably will tell them not to but I'm sure they won't listen to him. I can understand that you might feel uncomfortable with him receiving lap dances and going to a strip club but you will have to trust him and know that it won't go too far. Personally, if my FI wants to go to one for his bachelor party, he can go right ahead. I want him to have fun with his friends and like others said I don't want him telling me what I can and can't do at my bachelorette party.
what was mean I was referring to the white water rafting comment not to how you feel about your FI in the strip club.
@Jessica22580 - thanks. I thought the museum comment was at me. Although I should try saying that to him just to see what he says!
@Chachacha - yeah, it's not like I think he's going to ask for them or buy them himself, but his friends are going to try. How is he realistically going to say no? And like I said before, I wish it didn't bother me, but when I think about it my heart starts pounding and I'm instantly near tears. It's just the way it is.
I actually wouldn't care if he put "rules" on my bachelorette party. But since I reallllly don't want a stripper and don't anticipate doing anything I wouldn't be okay with him seeing, I'm not sure that's relevant.
what does white water rafting have to do with a museum? I'm down with strip clubs, on our third date we ended up at one, I know what goes on, and I know how guys are with their friends. I was just throwing out another suggestion to help someone else.
@NotQuiteK: Why does it make your heart pound and make you "near tears"? I mean what's the difference between him seeing boobs 3 feet away and 3 inches away?
I'm not trying to be mean...just wondering why you're so worried about this.
@NotQuiteK - Yeah I would never make fun of the way you feel about any issue ;-). But that would be funny to bring up. LOL
@flamingred - I should have strongly suggested that from the beginning, but he does a rafting trip with his friends every year anyway, so it wouldn't feel like a b-party. It's already set to go down in Chicago.
Woah it was a joke. I was just saying a suggestion like a trip to the museum would be hilarious.
Don't worry I'm not mocking you
@hotchildinthecity - Because she's sitting on him, grinding on him, and rubbing the boobies all over him in a sexual way. That's not happening when she's on stage. I guess the difference is also, if they weren't in a strip club, a naked woman on someone's lap isn't nothing. I just don't think it's okay for him to pay a naked woman to touch him, basically.
Even though I'm still pretty much in the "strip clubs exist to make me miserable" mindset, this thread is making me feel a little better. Weird! Thanks ladies.
NotQuiteK - I am 100% with you on this. I feel the same way as you! Its not as if we enjoy feeling this way its that we cant help it! Even if I tried to "let it go" it would STILL bother me!!
If it's truly important to you (which I totally understand, but can't really sympathize with, because my fiance doesn't want to/won't be going to a strip club for his b-party), just tell him that. Have a serious, honest, but calm discussion (no tears or raised voices) about why you think it's disrespectful and how you hope that he'll respect your feelings. Listen to what he has to say, and you might be able to get your point across without a lot of heartache.
Despite what might be fun or what his friends want to do, if they all consider your feelings about the issue (whatever their root), he and his friends should not want to have a "fun time" at the expense of your well-being and feelings. It's just a matter of communicating your feelings very clearly and consistently before the actual events begin to occur. I think that if he wants to honor your request/feelings, he'll find a way to do it, regardless of peer pressure or alcohol. I'm not sure what kind of relationship he has with his groomsmen or how comfortable he'd feel bringing it up, but honestly, if he makes this request of them BEFORE they arrive to the strip club, they should honor it if it's really a celebration for him.
Hope that made sense - good luck!
Going to a strip club is ok for some i guess but going for an event such as a bachelor party you know his friends are going to tell the place its his BP and whats going to happen is hes going to get so many dances and maybe even pulled on stage...
send him to a strip club in detroit...lap dances were just outlawed in the clubs!
@NotQuiteK: Yeah, but it's not like he's going to go home with her or fall in love with her or anything. It's pure entertainment, IMO. I don't know, maybe I'm just overly laid back about stuff like this.
@Sep_Queen - It's funny you mention that. I actually don't mind if it's him getting pulled on stage and the girls spank him or something. Then it's just for everyone's amusement and not so much a pseudo-sexual act. The intent is different.
@stringerb3 - Thank you! That's all I want, but I feel like people look at me like I have two heads when I say that.
@NotQuiteK no no thats not all they do ive seen some serious stuff go down they dont just spank and act silly (at least what i saw) it was pretty much dry humping (blah)..
@hotchildinthecity - Seriously, good on you for being laid back about it. But to me, it isn't an okay form of entertainment. It dehumanizes women, encourages them to look at women purely as sex objects, etc. And then the emotional side is... if that happened at a regular bar and I walked in, I would cut a b*****!
Now I am really confused. You are OK with FI getting spanked on stage, but not OK with a lap dance? The girl is not falling in love with your FI during a lap dance. Stripping and lap dances are her job. She is probably thinking about how she needs to put up with these drunk guys tonight, and needs to go to the grocery store the next morning while giving the lap dance, lol
Also, men are visual creatures so your FI probably is attracted to a woman's boobs that he sees in the supermarket, the same way he will be attracted to a stripper dancing or doing a lap dance.
I think one thing to keep in mind is that for a lot of women sex or attraction is an act of love, commitment etc. For men, sex is sex. It feels good, they get to be with their beautiful fiance, it's relaxing etc. Your FI is committed to you, but he probably doesn't view sex in the same way that you do.
@jaylii9 - Huh? I get the visual creatures thing (although if they're visual, can't they just LOOK at the ladies?), but I'm pretty sure my fiance and I both view sex as an act of love. A fun act, and a physical one, but it's a way that we show our affection.
If you have such strong feelings about it, I think you need to talk to your Fi more about what your boundaries are within your relationship.
Cuz i guarantee you if you feel like this now and can't just "get over it", then aftewards, you may feel even MORE strongly, feel repulsed by your FI, and just be angry in general he didn't just flat out refuse to go.
If you're going to make the argument about how it makes women feel, you need to talk to your Fi about it. He's basically supporting it by going and if you can't get on board, you need to straighten that out beforehand. You can't hate the industry and yet support it in one hand, ya know? it may really bug you afterwards.
i think what Jaylii9 is trying to say is that we're kind of confused on what parts of the strip club you are okay with and the others that you're against.
it's a fine line between someone's preference... and to each her own. i'm sure you've told your FI well enough that he'll try to avoid the situation as much as possible; but i think the smart thing for you to do is realize that lap dances might happen; but they don't mean anything and you should learn to let it go.
what are you doing for your bachelorette?
if you don't have any issues with your FI, i think this could be a petty thing that could be blown up into a huge fight. and believe me. i am on your side; my FI WAS a college frat boy and i'm CERTAIN that he'll get lapdances and it sickens me to think about another woman touching him; but really ... those ten minutes of his life? NOT A big deal.
we compromised and said he can go to strip clubs, they just can't hire strippers to have at the house!
I don't really understand how you're ok with him getting pulled on stage and girls dancing on him there, but you're not ok with him getting a lap dance. The stuff they do on a stage is a bit more showy, but it's still a lot of physical contact. You claim that the problem is physical contact, but I'm not sure if it really is...
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