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I went to the grocery earlier and saw on the headline of a gossip mag that Jon went out SANS wedding ring to a club and left with another woman..and they had photos.
I was kinda shocked. But then again not so shocked. I watched their show two times. I had to turn it off the second time because I actually felt sorry for Jon. It was so sad seeing her treat him as a child..
but then again, nobody under ANY circumstance deserves their spouse to cheat. If you're unhappy, discuss it with your partner and work things out FIRST. there is never a good enough reason to be unfaithful. But then again we don't know if he was.
I'm sure they both love their children very much, but seriousy...am I the only woman on earth that thinks Kate was not that great to her H?
My mom always says that she's way too bossy and controlling. No cable here so I have only watched the show a couple of times.
Seriously she made me feel so nervous watching her. Just berated him over and over..and that's what she was comfortable doing on tv in front of millions of people...I wonder what she did in private? Geez.
Maybe she will get a wake up call. And him too for under no circumstance is cheating ok. But she really needs one.
Yeah, she comes across as very controlling, but I probably would be too if I had 8 kids under the age of seven to look after. She does sometimes make comments to Jon that seem really harsh, but again, I wonder about editing and how the show chooses to characterize her.
It just doesn't seem like they've had much time for themselves as a couple at all in the last few years. I can't imagine all the stress, not only with so many kiddos but also with their house basically being a TV set. Really sad, all around. I hope they work it out, whatever's going on.
I've watched before as well. I don't know what is going on in their personal life and really don't care. Whatever they do is between them and I doubt my opinion is going to change that. However, I don't think Kate is that hard on him. I get it- it seems like he is too lax when it comes to the kids and she has to micro manage. She probably wasn't like that when there were just 2 kiddies but add 6 to that and I completely understand why she is the way she is.
The Soup always makes fun of their relationship and how she treats him- they always say the new show will be called Jon minus nine.
Yea, but no adult outside of work (even at work I find it abhorrent) needs micro managing. If I've somehow managed to survive to the age of 21, get a job, and pay for a house and my bills, I require NO MICRO MANAGING. I'm not a child.
And he's not a kid either. He is so relaxed in comparison to her. She's just like a ball of arrrrrrgh!
T and I watched them twice. He even said that he could NOT STAND to be married to a woman like that..and I agreed with him in that I couldn't be married to a man like that.
I have watched every episode. I have to say kate seems to be bossy, but I think that what it is, is that they both do so much and they do have 8 kids. I mean really, it would have to be hard to get out of the mind set at times, plus yahoo had a link to a statement he made on the reports in the news about him.
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/jon-and-kate-dad-i-showed-poor-judgment-2009294
I have no idea what exactly happens. but durring this springs season fanale (i cannot spell) he made a statement about how he hates when the media twists things and people do too.
Probably so...but she's bossy. She's so bossy that honestly if it were me, I'd have been out of there were it not for the kids. And I'm a 100 percent pro marriage kind of woman.
cheating is a no no and a deal breaker for me. I should know about that one. But in no way would I deliberately make my H miserable.
It's gotta be no fun having all that chaos. I love children but I couldn't imagine it for myself. But in having that chaos AND a spouse who belittles you in front of millions of viewers has got to suck.
There was a discussion on morning radio about him a while back..the men all called in and said he was a "wuss" and stuff like that for putting up with such poor treatment and sadly, most women agreed with it too.
Well I've seen the show once or twice and I was ready to jump off a cliff. I think the whole family is obnoxious, lol. Kate is rude and treats everyone like a baby. Jon seems bored ALL the time and always goes against what Kate tells the kids. The older daughters seem like the worst brats and the younger ones are just ill-mannered. Except the one boy with the glasses, he I could stand to have around.
I guess you can tell my feelings on the show lol.
I'm on the fence about the Jon/Kate relationship also. My FI and I debate it all the time. I figure there are things in every relationship where one person is better than the other. Some of the ladies in my office always go on and on about how their husbands are in charge of finances. This seems very archaic to me, but if you're bad with money and he's not...
So anyway, I think Kate is awesome at managing 8 kids and running a household and he's not. So he allows her to take the wheel on that one. Having said that, maybe he IS in need of micro-managing, because you see what he does when given a little bit of freedom ;) But seriously, what kind of moron has a daily reality show, followed by cameras 24/7, and thinks he can get away with cheating??
Yea. But I felt that poor Jon was the way he was because he was trampled on all the time.
I may be prejudiced...I have a now distant friend who would have been a bridesmaid had she not done some wild stunts over the last 2 years that caused me to rethink our friendship..and the breaking point was seeing her (at their going away party before they moved away) sit in another man's lap (T and I threw a large dinner party for them at our favorite restaurant) and then berate her husband and order him around in public like she did all along..and then ignore her friends (including me). She also bears an uncanny resemblance to Kate.
bellenga it seems like you are hypercritical of Kate and have something against her which I don't think is necessarily fair. I think we all need to keep in mind the fact that reality TV is heavily scripted and edited and tabloids are blown way out of proportion.
Yea but what kind of moron berates their Husband in front of millions daily and thinks the poor man would NOT consider leaving? I think it's a case of their personalities just don't match. And that maybe they aren't just suited well.
This is a discussion. And we can be critical if we want to. That's what a discussion is. If you read on, I said I might be a bit critical...because she bears an uncanny resemblance IN REAL LIFE to a woman I know (was once a good friend of mine) who treats her H the same way and her friends too.
Sometimes, I think I'm a little bit bossy and controlling towards my fiance. It's not like I WANT to be, but srsly, some of the stuff he does sometimes... We joke all the time that he's only 12 years old. I wish he could just behave sometimes... but, that's besides the point, and I love him anyway and he's great when it really matters. I think Kate was probably like that in the beginning, a bit bossy and controlling, or the "pants wearer" but then with 8 kids things just went downhill quickly I think... You have GOT to be super organized and well managed to keep 8 kids, 6 of the same age, from breaking all out and causing mass chaos and destruction (ok, I exaggerate a little). Plus, I'm sure it is very very stressful. When I'm stressed, the bossiness gets worse because the patience wanes (a grown man riding and tipping the shopping cart for the umpteeth time can just get to a girl sometimes...). I don't think, with that many kids, and all of them so young, that she can ever really be at peace and unstressed. Even a vacation she;d have to worry they don't get lost and stuff, or if she left them home would have to be sure a babysitter can really manage THAT many kids. But, as I said, I don't really watch the show that much. That's just the stuff that I've told my mom :p
I'm always shocked he hasn't strangled her yet, if you want to know the honest truth. It kills me to watch the show and honestly, I wouldn't blame him for leaving her. I don't know how he puts up with it. I don't condone cheating, but if I was him I'd have left a long time ago. It's a good thing he loves those kids. She has so little self-esteem that she has to turn on the one person who is supposed to love and support her? She already ran off her parents apparently by having all those kids. Don't get me started about that either!
Yea, it has to be both rewarding and yet at the same time super stressful to have that many kids..
I just could not do it. I'd love one more, but that's it! And I hate to admit it, now my son is a bit older, I'm loving it even more. We can take him everywhere..but then again as a single mom of one child, I travelled with him from the age of five and up...everywhere! Even on a week long cruise to the carribbean, to islands, to nice resorts, and he's always behaved.
I don't think I could do it if I were octomom. Then again, I don't think I'd be her either,.
But my friend whom is a dead ringer for Kate is the mom of 2 and acts the same way. Her H is a very intelligent man who's a business exec and she's a stay at home but she wears the pants and over time, it's really pushed all of us away from her having to witness her berate him, tell him what to do, boss him around, and when last December, at the party T and I threw for them (a going away party) she sat in the lap (after 3 martinis) of a male friend (and husband of another) for about 30 minutes. T was enraged. Her H looked embarassed. And after leaving the other man's lap, she went right back to ordering him around. And we were barely thanked for having a dinner party for over 25 people..
Listening to T watch that show and see my former friend behave almost the same way has taught ME something about what NOT TO DO with him. I trust T's a grown man. He's made good decisions in life. He's smart. He did not need me to survive until the age of 40. He did it well and on his own. He's already got a mommy (and she's super sweet!)..he doesn't need me to be that. That job is already filled and has been filled for 43 years!
Did watching that show make you realize what not to do? That's what the two episodes I managed to sit through (wincing all the while) taught me..not to belittle T or boss him around. I don't, but it sure will make me think twice if I ever thought about doing it!! lol!
I have watched the show since its first season, and I think that the fame and attention and gotten to Kate, and probably Jon too. You can tell just from the way she presents herself in terms of hair and makeup and amount of time with the kids. I don't think that either one of them is being true to themselves right now, but that is what reality tv does! Why do people do this! I know for the money, but I would rather be poor and have a strong relationship with my husband then rich and get a divorce. Look at nick and jessica, and the hogans, and im sure tons of other reality tv relationships. I don't know. I just think they are loosing their identities because of the show, and I feel bad for the kids as a result.
Tabloids...great source of information??
I love Jon and Kate. I watch the show religiously. People commented on how they don't seem like such a "loving" couple. The fact is that they do what works for them, and what may seem like unacceptable behavior to others, is simply how they cope. They have said that they do love each other, and the show mostly focuses on when they argue. But if you have 8 kids, you would be a little more stressed out too! This isn't a deadline at work, this is a child's life. It is EIGHT lives. I'm amazed they are still sane! And there are lots of moments where they show them having a "moment" where you can just see how much they love each other. I love that show!
Yeah, I wouldn't believe what the tabloids say, or how the show exhibits their relationship. You have to remember that even though it is "reality" it's still all about the ratings and they can twist things to make them look worse than they really are. I have watched the show since season 1, and they've explained over and over, that since they are on tv so much of the time, they can't schedule those fights for another time, because with 8 kids, later never happens. Leading up to the season finale, they showed more fights to create a stir that Jon & Kate might be breaking up. And at the end of the season, Jon and Kate had an "announcement" but it was about how they weren't sure if they were going to do the show anymore because he isn't sure if he wants to do it anymore, and she still wants to.
I don't watch this show or pay attention to tabloids often....
I will say that anybody who decides to put their lives on TV like this is asking for trouble. Do they ever learn? It cannot be good for their *real* life and marriage, regardless. it's just a bad idea.
I think the cameras being around causes more stress anyway. It's WAY crazier with 7 cameramen in your face than being alone. No wonder Jon doesn't want to do the show anymore, just look at the comments here! Would you want everyone questioning your relationship or putting down the one you love? Poor Jon!
I've watched the show from the beginning til now and read the allegations about Jon cheating...whether or not he has, I'll reserve judgement until it's confirmed for sure he was. For now, I chalk it up more to him being a BIG idiot who is making some really stupid choices....his actions strike me as passive aggressive rebellion against Kate, who is seemingly never at home anymore as she promotes her books and the show across the country. She's also stated, against the explicit wishes of her husband, that she is happy to be doing the show forever. I personally think the problem with those two is that they've become so wrapped up in the money that they've unfortunately lost sight of what's best for their children. I know some people say this drama could just be manufactured for the sake of reality tv, but even if it's just blown out of proportion, it can't have a positive effect on their family life.
I remember when rewatching some of their first season, Kate was still very bossy and kind of shrewish while Jon was still pretty laidback and whatever about things, but the thing that was still clear was their love for each other. Despite the bickering, which would be natural with the stress level involved in raising 8 kids, they still could joke and be affectionate and most of all, they really seemed like a normal, genuine family! Once it hit season 3 and 4 and as the show gained a tremendous amount of success, it's been painfully obvious to anyone with eyes that those 2 have been drifting further and further apart. They are quite short with each other when interviewing and the body language speaks volumes. They may enjoy financial security and the perks of the good life, but it seems to come at the cost of family happiness. Kate back then was a natural and beautiful, albeit harried mom -- Kate now looks like a overly fake baked, bleached out D-list celeb wannabe who seems to have very minimal interest in raising her children (it seems to be either Jon playing with them, or else they're under the care of an unseen nanny/helper).
I think a lot of people say, "If it were me, I'd choose happiness over money, no question!" but to be honest, I think many would have done what they did -- to have that kind of financial security in raising 8 kids, who wouldn't? The issue is there is no precedent for the kind of lives they're leading so there's no way they could have forseen how the kind of success they've garnered could have had such an adverse effect on the family.
Anyway, I still watch the show b/c I enjoy seeing those kids grow up -- I just hope for their sake Jon and Kate get their act together and start making grown-up decisions that take into consideration their kids' emotional need for a regular, private family life rather than just their own desires!
@bellenga: "Yea but what kind of moron berates their Husband" I think that was a little harsh and a bit snarky to call her a moron and that may have been what Josalyn was talking about.
As far as Jon & Kate, I love the show and watch every episode. Yeah, she seems bossy, but heck, so am I. If I have a film crew turning a week's worth of film into a 30 minute episode, I could easily come across like she does and I'm sure many of us could feel the same. It's a how and it's edited a certain way. We don't know them personally or what goes on in their lives, so I think it's hard to judge. As far as him and what has recently been said in the tabloids, you have to think about the source and take what they say with a grain of salt.
Lillindy that was in response to what JaeDawn said in an earlier post..but it is TRUE, we do not know what goes on in their life behind the cameras. Either way, it could be all a made up deal, or she's deliberately painted(with all the happy huggy stuff going on and ending up on the cutting room floor and America never sees it) incorrectly to gain viewers, but we will never know. All I know is watching the show is enough to make me feel antsy..and I couldn't watch a third because of seeing their stress level. And if it was perceived snarky, it was made about a person not on this board and not a member here. Who knows..maybe Kate is really nice IRL? I'm willing to give that the benefit of a doubt.
Maybe it's because I'm not bossy. And maybe it's because I don't really like to see a woman treating a grown man like a child.
Everybody is entitled to their opinions right? I didn't like the show after 2 shows. But I love other shows on tv and reality shows (my faves are: Man Vs. Wild, Anthony Bourdain's No reservations and that man is about as snarky as one cold ever be but I love him, Deadliest Catch, and I love Captain Seig but wish he'd quit smoking). I'm happy you liked it, different shows for different people.
And in the lounge we can have fun like my friends and I do at work and talk about current event issues/stuff. And all my friends have different opinions about pretty much everything..and that's what makes it so interesting. It's always fun to come to work and we talk about Deadliest Catch. It's hilarious..one of the girliest friends I have (and I am girly), Teresa, loves "Ice Road Truckers"...
MightySapphire said <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: tahoma; font-size: 13px"> "The fact is that they do what works for them" and I have to say that they seem to do what works for Kate only and that seems to be one of the problems. I've seen so many comments on here about how marriage should be a partnership {it should, I agree} and how it takes both people to make it work. I honestly find it odd that the same people that are saying that can be saying that it's ok that Kate acts like that.
The finale made me so sad, when Kate proclaimed how happy she was with the show, and poor Jon just sat there and said, "I'm not happy." Kate didn't look like she planned on changing a single thing. He just looked so miserable. I hope I never make my fiance feel that way.
My fiance will not watch the show because he hates how Kate talks to Jon. I can't say that I blame him!
I think they've sold out, but who am I to judge--I don't have 8 kids to raise. The show isn't fun to watch anymore, it's like they have to add stuff in to make it interesting--the new puppies, the solar panels, etc.
It's funny to see the two sides - those who love J&K+8, and those who can't stand to watch it. I can see how some people would think Kate is b*tchy, though from my point of view, she's got 8 kids to deal with, all with different personalities and needs, and that takes work and organization.
I read through the comments and saw that some people think Kate's sold out. I don't 100% disagree, BUT they do have a life outside those 12 episodes every season - of course they're going to show the "more interesting" things that go on in their lives, and selling books happened to make the cut over Kate playing with the kids.
I think at the base of the family, there is a very strong foundation.
I was SHOCKED the first time a watched that show. I can't watch more than 5 mins. of it straight the woman drives me nuts!
He always looks so miserable. I'm sooo against cheating but that woman is emotionally abusive, if she shows that for national television she's probably 10 times worse in person. I can't blame him for trying to escape...and with 8 kids...there's no 'clean' way to do it.
Sad.
I watch that show... I don't understand why he was out at 2AM when he has kids regardless of Kate and what he was doing.
Having 8 kids doesn't give you the right to treat people like crap and talk down to your husband. Sure, he seems like he's a bit of an idiot, but geez woman. When you treat him like crap, it's no wonder he wants to get out of the house. Kate needs to get some friends and have a night out herself. Get a babysitter or three!
I speculate that the only reason they're still together is that they're obligated to do the show, and they wouldn't want to put anything messy on TV.
My FI refuses to watch the show, because aside from getting headaches from all the kids screaming, he HATES how Kate treats Jon on camera. When they're doing the little 'confessional' interviews alone...he cannot stand how she leans away from him all the time and how rude Kate is.
But regardless, it was so wrong for him to be out doing that.
I LOVE the show! My FI, like many of yours, it seems, absolutely HATES how Kate treats Jon (in all fairness, he's only seen the show a few times with me). I agree to an extent, but what I hate about as much is when Jon just sits there and takes it! Frankly, I admire the fact that she can somehow control 8 really well behaved kids so well, but when she treats him like another child, I expect him to man up a bit and remind her that he's a partner, not her eldest son. Gosh, what a stressful situation, though!!
Still, I think everyone could agree that if Jon is cheating (which I actually have no idea about), it's uncalled for. Not only does it hurt his wife, but he has so many kids looking up to him.
(PS, when would he find the TIME??)
I always thought that while Kate does treat Jon badly, he just sort of lets it happen. It's kinda like he's one of the kids. He's a bit younger than Kate, I think if I remember correctly. It always seemed like he just lets her walk all over him, and with that kind of stress she has taken on the role of boss. Not that it makes it right per se, but that's always how I viewed it.
The woman he was seen out with has spoken and said that it was nothing yada yada yada. He also released a statement saying he made poor judgement being out so late. I dunno, hard to judge when we hardly know what's real, don't you think?
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20276577,00.html
I've never seen the show, but heard about it on the radio the other morning. What I find interesting is that he wants to quit the show, she doesn't. Therefore she is happy with the way the show is portraying her. Yes there is editing in every realtiy show, but for someone to be portrayed as a controlling or verbally abusive person, yet they still want to continue being filmed, makes you think twice....
I'm not going to say a whole lot, but I don't think a couple should ever be so disrespectful and dismissive as how Jon and Kate are portrayed on the show. Whether or not Jon is emotionally absent or Kate is stressed out, there is no need for rudeness and disrespect in tone or words. I think rudeness shows a lack of self-control and a lack of care for the feelings of others. That's what I think and that's why I only rarely watch the show.
ok fine. I'll bite. I will just say, I don' think Kate treats him badly, I think she gets things done and calls on her husband to help when needed. Yea she could say it nicer sometimes, but he could also step it up so she didn't need to. It's not like he was oblivious to her being like that before they were married since they were together for a while. If he is cheating on his wife, I think her being bossy is no excuse, especially when he knows perfectly well the whole world will hear/see him do it.
Regardless of how you feel about her/him, it's all coming together now why the last season ended with him not being into another season and in the public eye, am right?!?!
I love jon and kate plus 8. my b/f and i watch it all the time and have it as a season pass for the tivo.
after saying that, we both think that kate can be a little crazy and this season was kind of bad, we thought that jon and kate are both going over board with a lot of things they are doing.
i don't think jon or any guy has any right to cheat on their wifes, especially if they have childern. *period*
I am an occasional watcher and have a few thoughts. It's reality TV - everything is overdone (or even scripted) for the cameras. They have roles they have to fill. So, while Kate appears bossy (and IMHO condescending to her husband at times), we can't assume that is reality!
If the papers are true (which I am also skeptical about), Jon has no right to cheat, regardless of whether Kate is mean to him. I also agree he is an idiot for thinking he can go to a club, be with another woman, etc, without getting caught.
i feel sorry for kate -- she gets bashed so mercilessly online. i don't think anyone could rasie 8 kids day to day and not be stressed out. i certainly couldn't!
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