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    monalisa670    August 2009   Boston

    What do people think about the withdrawal method? I know it's been briefly discussed on other threads but I don't think there has been a thread dedicated to it.

    Have people used it sucessfully for an extended period of time? Has anyone gotten pregnant using it? If so, did it fail because the pull didn't happen quickly enough, or was it a complete surprise that it failed?

    I would love to hear your thoughts on the topic!

     
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    ladyox    May 16, 2010  

    Some ladies will say they use this method successfully, but I think it's hands down the most unreliable form of birth control pretty much ever.  If you are serious about not having children and are mature enough to have sex (and make decisions about your sexual health) there is no reason not to choose a more reliable method of birth control.  If you are ok with the possibility that you will get pregnant and are prepared to raise and support a child, then go for it. 

     
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    KaitlinHudson    December 18, 2010   Patuxent River, MD

    For almost three years this has been our only method of BC and it has worked 100%

     
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    cbee    July 26, 2010  

    In my opinion and experience, this method is only good if you know and trust your partner, and more importantly- if your partner knows his body.  He is the one who needs to understand and control himself for this to be at all successful.  Also, if drugs or alcohol are involved, this is not recommended! 

     
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    Ms.Teddy    April 2011   South Carolina

    I used to do this when I was dating my ex in college...ALONG with birth control...I would never trust this method by itself if I was seriously NOT wanting to get pregnant. If you are married and kind of like well if it happens it happens...then its an OK method I guess.

     
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    ScarletBegonia    December 17, 2011   Sydney NSW

    maybe this is TMI...i'm not a fan cause i like the 'after' time...when you can lay together and stuff without having to worry about what fluids are getting where.  In terms of effectiveness i'm sure it varies really widely - its not the kind of BC method where you can be "perfect" at, so i don't know if it would be possible to have a failure rate with perfect use.   

     
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    pumpkinpatch    December 12, 2012   Florida

    We've used it for awhile with no problems...but now I am on the pill, just to be sure!

     
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    SouthernGirl    October 2013   Alabama

    My FI and I never used it, never will. I'm on the Depo shot and my chances of getting pregnant are super low, even before I got on the shot, so the shot is all we're using.

    I have a godson and 2 "nieces" (they're my friend's kids, and they call me aunt) because of the pull out method. I don't recommend it unless you're ready to have kids.

     
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    pinkb    April 7, 2011  

    I have wondered the view on this topic as well after seeing it posted on a couple birth control boards. I personaly would NEVER do this. It was drilled into my head in sex ed for years that this is not a method of birth control, it was a way for guys to talk you out of making them wear a condom. I was recently suprised to find out it is listed as a method of birth control just not recommended, because of the failure rate. I have had friends get pregnant with this method, and were suprised it didn't work. I was suprised that they were suprised, lol. To each their own, but IMO I wouldn't.

     
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    EvaBostonTerrier    July 3, 2010  

    The average failure rate from the pullout method is 27%.  Roughly 1 out of every 4 people will become pregnant using this method.  Technically it does reduce the chance of becoming pregnant, but I wouldn't rely on that as my form of BC if I didn't want a child! 

     
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    monalisa670    August 2009   Boston

    Interesting thoughts, ladies, keep 'em coming!

    My husband and I recently converted to this "method" of BC. We are prepared to have a child (in fact, anxious to) but are waiting to start trying until some stuff gets figured out with my career. If it happens though, we can make it work.

    I've had friends swear by this, and one of my good friends is a sex therapist who says it's a reliable form of birth control (excluding for STD's) and that pre-ejaculate contains no sperm, contrary to popular belief, unless the guy very recently ejaculated.

    My cycle is totally off bc of recently coming off the pill, and I just started my first month of charting. My ovulation was finally just detected and turns out we BD'ed the day before I ovulated... so now I'm wondering about what the pull-out method will do for us!

     
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    Bostonsmom    October 9, 2011   canada

    I have been using the pullout method for 5 or 6 years with my SO. Yes, I have two children. But they weren't "surprises" or "accidents" they were planned. So in 5-6 years of using this method it hasn't failed me yet!

     
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    MsGolightly    June 11, 2013   A Torontonian living in Vancouver

    I think what we're actually talking about is the rhythm method, no?  I've heard that it can be very effective if you know how to chart properly.  I have a friend who uses this method and she and her husband have been child free for four years.

    In my eyes, 'Pull & Pray' is different.  That's not taking into consideration your most fertile days, and thus is a much more unreliable form of birth control.

     
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    pumpkinpatch    December 12, 2012   Florida

    @EvaBostonTerrier: Wow, 27%! Glad we got on the pill!

     
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    Birdie Love    May 7, 2011   CA

    Just a reminder: there is pre-ejaculatory fluid that can also cause pregnancy!

     
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    cbee    July 26, 2010  

    I know this method works- I don't believe in statistics.  Your partner just has to know what he is doing and have control.  What shocks me is when females allow men to finish without pulling out.  I know several women who have gotten pregnant while on BC by doing this, and I just think, as they complain about their pregnancy... what do they think causes one to become pregnant!?

     
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    daniellemybelle    June 19, 2010   Baltimore, MD

    @cbee: Thank you for saying this, because I think it all the time! I am on BC but we also use the withdrawal method. Better be safe than sorry!

     
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    cbee    July 26, 2010  

    @daniellemybelle: You are welcome!  I am with you 100%!

     
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    srearley    November 11, 2011   Ohio

    My ex and I used the "pull & pray" method. Our son will be 5 in April. ;)

    I got Mirena 2 months after I had my son, and I <3 my IUD!! My FI and I have decided that I will have another IUD placed in June, as we don't plan on having any more children until the following year.

     
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    EvaBostonTerrier    July 3, 2010  

    @cbee: I'm really curious - why don't you believe in statistics?  If something can be counted, you can have statistics.  You can look at statistics regarding cost of fuel or percent of the population living below the poverty line etc etc.  Yes, there are times when the methods to collect the data is not ideal or the analysis may not have been done perfectly; however, the majority of the time, the data and analysis is accurate.  I just don't understand having a blanket statement saying you don't believe in statistics.... 

     
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    monalisa670    August 2009   Boston

    @MsGolightly: No, I meant the withdrawal method alone.., yes I recently started charting so have been paying attention to that too, but I'm curious about strictly the concept of the male withdrawing from the female prior to his ejaculation, regardless of charting/cycle etc. So in other words now that I know that I did ovulate right after we BD'ed, I wonder what my chances are considering he did pull out. I believe the rhythym method is different and I'd be curious it's effectiveness as well actually, as a stand-alone birth control method...

    Like I said we're not too worried, I never would have solely used this method before now. In fact, I agree with @cbee: in that it wasn't until I was with my DH that I never "allowed" that to even happen before, even though I was on the pill! With one bf, he pulled out, wore a condom, AND i was on the pill...haha, we were paranoid!!

     
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    MissTatas    August 6, 2011   Minneapolis, MN

    Isn't there sperm in precum so even if he doesn't finish there is a chance you will become pregnant? Obviously not as much of one, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

    We used to use this method alone, I got pregnant and miscarried, and now we use condoms 100% of the time until after the wedding.

    The other day FI said that he can't wait until we are married just so we can stop doing the Happy No Baby dance every month. If I didn't have a dress to fit into I don't think we would really care :)

     
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    rlsh86    January 29, 2011   Florida

    I wouldn't rely on the "pull and pray" method.  there's a reason it's called pull and "pray"

     
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    artichokey    June 16, 2012  

    Withdrawl is the most widely used form of birth control in the world. It's acutally fairly effective...about as effective as spermicidal foams/gels and is more effective than rhythm method. it can be up to 80% effective when done properly.

    There are no sperm in pre-ejaculatory fluid. The fluid comes from the ejaculatory duct while sperm come from the seminal vescile. Only during orgasm does the fluid from the ejaculatory duct combine with sperm from the semical vesicle. If a man has two orgasms close together (an hour, for example) and does not urinate in between them, then his pre-ejaculatory fluids will most likely carry sperm.

    If you're going to use withdrawl, do make sure you can trust your partner.

    1. Make sure he urinates after each ejaculation. If you're worried, use a condom if you're having sex twice in one night.

    2. When he does climax, do not have him climax anywhere near your vagina. Sperm can swim. I have personally known two people to become pregnant in this way. Keep the ejaculate away from your lower half and you should be okay.

    3. Make sure that he has fully withdrawn before orgasm starts. Pulling out won't matter if a little finds it's way to your uterus.

     
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    caszos    June 2010   Florida

    We have used this method for a while.  I am not on BC because I needed to get it out of my system for a while.  

    We do realize its called the "pull and pray" method for a reason however, if something did happen we would be more than happy for a child.  

    I think as a married couple who knows they want children its really not a bad method of prevention.  

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    Any method where I'm solely relying on another human being for what the rest of my whole future life will look like is not a method I'm interested in personally.  I prefer to take charge of my fertility, not abdicate that responsibility to my partner :)

     
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    We used this successfully for 2-3 years, then we stopped when we wanted to have a baby and we got pregnant in a month. I was doubtful at first but I asked my doc and she told me that if the man knows what he's doing, it works. The thing is, public health types don't want teenagers, etc. to hear this and think it will work for them, because most teenage boys don't have the self-control and body knowledge to do it.

     
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    ItalianLady    September 4, 2010  

    Always used it. Never failed.

     
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    monalisa670    August 2009   Boston

    @artichokey: Yes... that is what I have also heard about the pre-ejaculate..thank you for explaining it better.  :)

     
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    jayce    December 10, 2010  

    We've been using this method for years, hasn't failed us yet.

    Like cbee and artichokey said, the important thing is that your partner has the experience and control to know when to pull out and where to aim. Ditto the peeing before the next round to clear out any stragglers.

    The statistics showing a high failure rate include couples who don't use it properly. For example, using it when their judgment and awareness is impaired by alcohol or drugs. Or using it with a partner who shouldn't, like inexperienced teenage boys or men with certain dysfunctions that affect their control. Or not knowing that you have to pee between goes. As WeddingKitty said, the "real" statistics aren't as widely published because they don't want kids getting the idea in their heads to try it out.

    It's like anything else, there are right and wrong ways to do it. I don't put much stock in the "I know someone who..." anecdotes, because nobody's going to admit publicly to screwing it up (excuse the pun). I admit it's a lot less foolproof than other kinds of birth control in general, but it's a method that varies widely in suitability from couple to couple. For us it works great!

     

     

     

     
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    I agree with artichokey and jayce--as with all forms of birth control, using the method "properly" is important.  My husband and I used this for 2 years with no pregnancy, and then I got pregnant my second month of TTC.  

     
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    thelovecats    November 6, 2010   Louisiana

    I wouldn't advocate it as a truly reliable form of bc, but my DH and I did this for a year and I was able to avoid getting pg. And I'm a charter and didn't even abstain during the fertile period. But it was partly because I wouldn't have cared if I got pg. I mean it would've changed our plans a little, but be both would've been okay with it. So I didn't mind being that lax. It still worked though. lol And I got pg  on the first month that he didn't pull out.

     
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    ribbons    June 12, 2010  

    I do it in addition to birth control..mostly because I think the alternative is really gross. :)

     
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    JrzyGurl    September 15, 2012   NY, NY

    I'm sorry but I just don't get it. Is it a religious issue? Because that's just hypocritical. Sure you aren't "using" anything, but technically - it's BC. And technically you're avoiding pregnancy. So if you don't want to get pregnant why not just use a responsible, reliable, and effective form? Like condoms. Or the pill. Or a shot. Or a million other ways that will almost 100% ensure you don't have an unplanned pregnancy.

    I respect everyone's personal choices and opinions - but like I said, I just don't get it. If it's a religious issue, you're still violating the rules - so why not just do it the correct, safe, and trustworthy way?

     
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    JrzyGurl    September 15, 2012   NY, NY

    Ugh I just reread my post and realized it sounds very "judgy". My apologies - I don't mean to be judgemental.

     

    I just want all the woman on here to be making smart decisions about their bodies and futures. If you aren't ready for a pregnancy then please take all precausions necessary so you don't find youself in a bind.

     

    The end.

     
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    JenniBride    December 2011   Manitoba

    After I read about this:

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/reprints/Contraception79-407-410.pdf

    I felt a lot better about pulling out, which has worked for me for 6 years (after I got pregnant using condoms).  However, pulling out alone obviously does not prevent disease, so I'd use condoms outside of a 100% monogamous relationship. 

    Also, Mrs. DG brings up an excellent point about control over your own fertility - one which should totally be considered when making BC decisions.  I'd like to point out, though, that male condoms are also abdicating responsibility to one's partner, which method I'm sure she is including in her statement. 

    So, overall, I think that pulling out its a viable BC option, but certainly not the most effective (or fun, IMO).

    Edited to clarify my point about disease.

     
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    monalisa670    August 2009   Boston

    @JrzyGurl: I would agree with you if I were not at the point I'm in, which is why I've never solely used this form of bc. However sicne we're marreid, prepared, and anxious for a child- it just isn't the "ideal" time- and I don't want to alter my body's hormones anymore (they wreaked havoc on my cycle), and condoms aren't fun, it seems like the best form for us right now. If we were more concerned and serious about avoiding, you're right, we'd do something more reliable to prevent it.

     
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    jayce    December 10, 2010  

    @JrzyGurl: FI and I are both atheist, so it's definitely not a religious issue!

    We're both very sexually experienced, and we've both tried many different kinds of BC that we did not like. We did our research, and found that as some bees have pointed out, even doctors agree that when used properly it's a very effective method. We're both STD free, we trust each other, and it works for us well. So, that's what we use.

     
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    thelovecats    November 6, 2010   Louisiana

    To answer your question about using other forms of bc I have 2 reasons for not using bc. I have PCOS and of course they want you on bc to regulate you. I did not want to just mask the problem with artificial hormones. I wanted to regulate my cycles naturally because they were so long. So I charted and I was able to regulate them naturally through diet and exercise. I knew that DH and I wanted to start trying as soon as we said I do, so I didn't want to be getting off of bc then and going through the regulation process and my body be all screwed up for who knows how long. I wanted my body to be ready. And it worked and I am pg. The other reason is that I have a clotting disorder and am forbidden to take hormonal bc anyway. So hormonal bc is just not right for everybody. And yes, there are condoms but like I said, we wouldn't have cared if we had gotten pg anyway, so pulling out worked fine for us.

     
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    TMIconfused    January 1, 1990  

    I personally have used this method for the last five years and its worked fine. I know everyone thinks this is stupid to even do and doesn't work at all (and the go on about pre ejaculation). I have only been with one guy so what I am going to say is not a tested theory. I think it really depends on the guy, if he knows when he is going to...you know.... and can pull out before it starts it can be used successfully. However I think there are men who do not have much control or care or both and that's when it gets dangerous.

    However I think if you absolutely want to avoid pregnancy go with a real for of birth control, in fact double up on it. My FI and I were avoiding it but both agreed that if it happened we would be happy and more than ok with it (over the past few years). I am currently pregnant but it is not due to a failed pull out attempt. We were not actively trying to have a baby but were not not trying either.

     

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