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Aw! I definitely think you should get her! I have such a soft spot for animals, especially disabled ones. I totally would if I was you, but then again I can't say no to any animal. : )
Being the ridiculous animal lover that I am, I really hope you adopt her! I think with your attitude it would be perfect. :) Of course you'll have to handle the normal puppy issues slightly differently, but I don't imagine it would be THAT much more difficult. You just have to re-train yourselves to use non-verbals. But since you'd know it going into it and can do some research on it, I say yes! :)
If you are up for it, go for it! I've known several deaf dogs and they were all great. That being said, do invest in a good vibration collar. There are cheap ones out there, but having a longer range one is better. I love the SportDog collars. I use one of their collars for off leash work with my dogs. I've got one that will only respond to vibrate, while the other one will respond to beeps.
See? That's what I was thinking! Mr. Hedgie is wary because he wouldn't be able to call her from another room or get her to stop doing something unless he has a vibrating remote in hand or she is looking at him... but I think those things are managable. The person adopting out the puppy doesn't want her to go to a home with another dog because " She wont be able to hear the other dog growl and could get hurt" but dogs find ways to cope, especially since they are more postural. And I don't think Ari has ever growled... at anything. Even when she was overpowered by some big dogs!
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I think the issue at hand is not about whether or not deaf dogs are capable of learning and functioning in the household but more so how your dog responds with the new dog and if the new dog likes other dogs. A trial would be great!
If the owner does not want the dog to go to a house with another dog, I'm not sure how you can get around that. Best of luck!
@Ms Hedgehog: I had a neighbor that brought a deaf cocker into her house. It was older, and she had 2 others at the time. It fit right in and had no issues. If you bring a puppy in and monitor them whenever they are together, you should be able to make it work.
I see no reason to not adopt a deaf dog, especially if you already understand using hand signals. I would definitely recommend a vibration collar. The cheap ones have short ranges, and a lot of the time you have to be in line of sight. I used a cheap collar before I got our nice one and there was a good difference.
I adopted a deaf dog and he is wonderful! He knows basic hand signals and can read my body language extremely well. He has also had no problems with other dogs. If you watch, dogs communicate through scent and body language more than barking.
I use a normal collar and/or harness with a retractable leash- he knows a quick tug on the leash means to turn around. I do not think the vibrating collar is necessary at all.
Because you'd be getting him as a puppy, you could train him from a young age to respond to your signals. The hardest part is when you first adopt because you have to physically get up and move the dog when he's doing something you don't like. But once you both adjust and the dog learns, its no big deal.
Honestly, I still talk to my dog and I don't think he even realizes he's deaf. He is the best :)
I would actually recommend a deaf dog to go to a home with another dog, not the other way around! Often disabled dogs (both blind and deaf) rely on another dog to help them cope with their surroundings.
I just got this e-mail from the current owner which really excites me!
" Wow you have really done some research!! Your emails are very impressive and I would really love to speak with you just send me your # and a good time to call to you I think you might be an awesome home for her."
Deaf dogs are great! And you're right to think that your dog will communicate primarily through non-vocal means.
If you have questions I'd bet that if you emailed my dog's rescue they could help.
They take in a ton of deaf dogs, and Reed has a few of them herself.
http://www.facebook.com/Gatorthedeafcircuspittie
That's Gator's page, one of Reed's dogs. I love Gator. Mailing there would be just as good.
Deaf dogs are very adaptable! Just look at all the stuff Gator knows how to balance on his head!
I had a deaf dog. We actually didn't realize for a couple of weeks after we brought her home. She was amazing! Sweetest, happiest most darling little girl ever. As long as she was looking at you, you could give her commands. She knew sign language! Sadly, she passed away just last week. Don't let perceived handicaps keep you from getting her. There are some things you have to be extra aware with, but mostly everyone forgot she was deaf and treated her like any other pup.
You know in your heart if it's right, and it sounds like you do! Meeting her is the real test, I went looking for a dog in search of a big shorthair and wound up with a pomeranian I couldn't be happier with! Deafness comes with it's own challenges, but nothing you can't overcome. My cat is deaf and beyond having the LOUDEST meow ever he is just like any other cat.
OH I have tears in my eyes reading this!! YES!! Please adopt her, I hope you speak with the lady and your hubby wants to adopt her! I don't have any experience with any deaf pets but I'm sure if you guys do your research, I'm sure she will be a great pet for your family :) Please keep us updated and I want to see a pic of this precious little pup!
Do it! My dog is pretty old, and has been deaf for about 2 years now. He has no problem with other dogs and we justo altered how we communicate with him. He understands tons of handsignals! Deaf dogs really are no different than hearing ones!
Just want to chime in with some of the challenges you may face with a deaf dog. I have a congenitally deaf English Setter. She is 6 years old and we've had her since she was 10 weeks. Everyone told me how easy it would be and that dogs pick up body language better than voice anyways, but I just wanted you to realize there can be some challenges that come along with having a deaf dog. You should be prepared that it very well might not be like owning a dog that has full hearing.
Also, as a note, my dog was born deaf. This is typically very different than a dog that becomes deaf with old age.
1. Most deaf dogs either never bark or bark incessantly. Unfortunately, my dog is the latter. She virtually never stops barking and never grows tired of it. At 6 years old, we've yet to figure out a way to efficiently control this. And believe me, we've tried every type of training, bark collars, muzzles, sprays, excerise routines, etc. I feel bad for my poor labrador who has to stay home with her all day. At this point, we're just amazed at her stamina. She will literally be laying next to me by the couch and just barking. She doesn't even act like she knows she's doing it. We're constantly telling her to "shush."
2. Deaf dogs are typically really needy. Like never stops following you, must be touching you at all times, needy. Since she relies on me to feel secure, she is constantly under my feet. This might not bother some people, but it really can get old sometimes. We didn't realize she was extra needy for a long time, so we didn't try to nip this in the bud early enough. If she isn't with me, she's following our lab around, taking cues from her. I think the lab gets tired of it sometimes, as well.
3. This neediness often turns into separation anxiety. I did catch this really early on, thank heavens, and with some training got this under control pretty quickly. This is a huge one, because separation anxiety is no joke. She will always have the tendancy to revert to separation issues, though. It's tough for her to be alone (or even with the other dog) when she only truly feels safe with me.
4. A lot of deaf dogs tend to exhibit obsessive compulsive behavior. Mine has this big time, though we've gotten it a lot more under control over the years. If we let her get away with things, she'll spiral out of control quickly. The most common problem is shadow chasing/light chasing, from what I can tell. This is also my dog's biggest OCD behavior. During her little episodes, I have to physically go over and get her away from whatever it is she's chasing/staring at to break her out of the behavior. It's like I become completely invisible to her and she's in her own little world. It gets really bad near water or puddles where she can see her actual reflection. When we go to the lake, she spends the entire day on the shoreline staring at herself in the water. People constantly ask what's wrong with her at the dog park.
5. She does not play very often with other dogs. In fact, a lot of other dogs want nothing to do with her. She has been attacked a couple of times. We once went to the dog park where she was attacked by a great dane that had just gotten there. it wasn't like they sniffed each other and then decided they didn't like each other. He literally walked into the gate and ran straight for my dog, pinning her to the ground. The owner came over, apologized profusely and told me the only other time her dog had acted aggressively towards another was when she tried to adopt a deaf puppy. She didn't know mine was deaf, as well. It makes sense since, in the wild, she would be detrimental to the pack. Some dogs literally cannot be around her without wanting to hurt her.
6. We don't have any problems with this, but there are a lot of people who deal with very nervous deaf dogs. These are the ones that aren't safe to wake by touching since it can startle them so badly.
With all of the challenges we have with her, I will say she is the absolute sweetest dog in the world. She would be content just laying by side all day or attempting to sit in my lasp and kiss my face. I hear this about most deaf dogs. But, my husband and I do know that we will never adopt a deaf dog again. I've never had such a difficult time training a dog nor have I ever gotten as frustrated with an animal as I get with her some days.
As a side note, some of her behavior issues became exaggerated after her spaying. We both feel that she was given too much anesthesia, which actually jump started her OCD behaviors. Therefore we may never know if her issues would have been as severe as they are currently, had she not been been over-drugged (which we obviously can't prove). I know plenty of people have had great luck and absolutely adore their deaf dogs. Plenty of people also have had awesome training results and dogs who you cannot tell have any disability at all. We just are one of the cases where it's been pretty rough. That said, she'll always be our dog. We have no plans of getting rid of her even though I'm pregnant and have had so many people suggest that we do. Can't give up on her this far in the game. :)
I had a friend in high school who had a deaf dog, things weren't much different than with a hearing dog. The only thing is I've seen deaf/blind dogs on those training shows that get snippy or defensive because they can't hear/see their surroundings. Come to think of it my friend's dog was kinda mean...
I thought you were moving... or did you already?
I am the proud owner of a deaf dog. My DH and I brought her home and we didn't figure out she was deaf for a few days. She was born deaf. Even though there are some challenges to owning a deaf dog, it's worth it to me.
We did some research and learned the hand signals, which I use with my other dogs as well, since you never know what old age could bring. Our dog took to it pretty easily. It didn't take me any longer to train her than it did for my other dogs. We don't use a vibration collar. One of the first things I did was to teach her to use a lot of eye contact. That means she looks at my face a lot to judge my feelings. Once I did that, she learned to keep close by so she would be able to see me. I don't have problems with her hanging out in other rooms without me. (on the flip side, when she wants to do something she knows i dont like, she will purposly not look at me. Kind of like a kid saying "oh, i didnt hear you" when they did something wrong). She is always super sweet and lovable.
Now for the bad:
She does like to bark. When we first brought her home, she would wake up out of a sound sleep and bark. She has a very high pitched irritating bark. She doesn't do that anymore but when she goes in the back yard she almost always starts to bark. When I tell her no she doesn't always pay attention to me.
She doesn't like strangers ( but that's more to do with a lack of socializing then her deafness)
She doesn't like it if I leave the room while she's sleeping....if she wakes up and I have left them room, she runs in "screaming." She is generally very good at waking up to the vibrations of me walking on the floor. If she doesn't wake up, I will put my hand in front of her nose so she smells me and then I pet her very gently. She is always a bit startled when I do that but she is not angry...just surprised.
All in all, she is very well behaved and a good addition to our family. That reminds me, we have a fenced in back yard but she has managed to escape a few times. She goes into the front yard but as soon as a I come out and she sees me (she's always watching for me) she runs right back.
So long story short, I think you should do what's best for you...but it sounds like you are more than prepared and happy to have a deaf puppy.
I"m the proud owner of a deaf dog, and I would adopt another one in a heartbeat!
Having a deaf puppy makes a few things harder, you can't just say "no" when they do something bad, you actually have to get up and get their attention and give them whatever sign you have for "no!". After a while with constant training you dog will probably "check in" with you when they do something to see what you are going to say (my dog does this constantly, it's really kind of cute). Other than that we haven't had too much difficulty having a deaf dog over a hearing, and we have let him off leash on hikes a few times, once you have your dog for a while you will start to trust them and they usually (depending on their personality) won't go far and will check in with you often. We didn't invest in one of those collars it just wasn't necessary, although we did use crate training and he has a bedroom that he sleeps in at night and when we aren't home, he feels safer that way. Oh and make sure you socialize your puppy with new people constantly through out their lives, being deaf they tend (at least mine) to be shy of new people (he doesn't know if they are nice people or not) so he gets really defensive, but if new people just ignore him he settles in really quickly.
I am willing to give you any advice or tips you want along the way, feel free to PM me or ask questions here... but I say don't let the deafness scare you.
Another great resource is deafdogs.org
@Ms Hedgehog: I just read this, actually, my dog does REALLY well with other dogs. If they have been around their siblings long enough they will have learned to cope, just like a deaf child does with their siblings. They learn to read body language better than other dogs. There will be NO problems (assuming your dog gets along with other dogs in general) having two dogs, if anything it would help, your dog would be the new pups hearing aid.
@Zouave: haha I totally talk to my deaf dog all the time, FI will walk in when i'm talking to him and he'll say "are you talking to the deaf dog again?!" then when I catch him doing it he responds with "I'm teaching him how to hear". lol
@bree72: wow, that seems like you really have your hands full with your deaf girl!! My dog does show some of those things, he follows me around constantly (if i'm home alone I don't shut the door to go to the restroom so he can know where I am)... He's just getting to the point (he's 2 now) where he will stay on the couch after I get up a little bit to see if I"m coming back right away. He doesn't have too much separation anxiety, although he does get a little panicked if he falls asleep and we leave the room so we put him in his bedroom when we leave to ease his anxiety. He hasn't had any trouble with other dogs, but he was a rescue from the shelter I worked at so he was around all different dogs all different sizes for about a month before I took him home, maybe that helped? he really has no idea he's deaf, and he doesn't bark much just when he sees something (or thinks he sees something) out of the ordinary... even if it's his kitty brother outside the window... But just signing him "no" and "shh" does the trick, but he also looks at me right after he does it like "did I do good?!?.... no? oops, sorry"
Sorry, I'm totally blowing up your post, but PP brought up a good point, you really want to work with them about waking them up so they don't get startled... I used to (and still do actually) pet my boy on his shoulder when he was sleeping really gently to wake him up... sometimes stomping or clapping will work well too (since they can't hear it's just the vibration that wakes them up). But you want to make sure you do this regularly (and then do the same thing every time, or combination of things) so you don't startle your dog which can lead to agression in some dogs.
@elle_71125: The eye contact thing was something I wish I had realized early on. She quickly learned that if she just didn't look at me, then she didn't have to listen. I never found a good solution to making her make eye contact with me, other than keeping a leash on her at all times so I can grab it and make her look at me. She still does this when I know damn well she sees my in her peripheral vision. She holds her head down if she even thinks I am going to ask her to do something she doesn't want to do. But English setters are known to be incredibly hard headed dogs. We actually spent a lot of money with a very good trainer for about 6 months (this was after the spaying and the behaviors spun out of control for a while) who said he could not recall a dog more stubborn than she was.
@o0olibelulao0o: Ours has been around many dogs since she was a puppy, so it wasn't as if she wasn't socialized. It's more like she's in her own little silent world and doesn't know how to spend more than about 30 seconds playing before reverting back. She doesn't play with people much, either. You just get short bursts out of her, and then it's back to her laying down or staring at the floor. She seems perfectly happy about it, but it makes me sad for her (because it seems like she's missing out on fun), and our for lab, who could play forever.
You guys are awesome! Thanks for the advice! I can't tell if I am more excited now or more nervous about the idea. I don't know that I can handle incesant barking but not all dogs necessarily do that. And I would want her to be able to play with my current pup! I mean, I would hate it if the two didn't play together especially if its because one is scared.
@Ms Hedgehog: All I can really suggest is a trial if you're able. Most places get pretty particular about adopting out deaf dogs to the right people, so hopefully they'll work with you. Like I said, it really just depends on the dog and their personality + the disability. Some you would have no clue they were deaf unless someone told you. We just ended up with one of the crazy ones. :)
I don't have any dog experience at all (hearing or otherwise), but I think it's great that you might adopt her! Good luck with the decision. :)
About a year ago, I seriously considered adopting a deaf puppy. The deciding factor for me was the fact that we planned on having children soon, (we have just started trying now, in fact). For one, I didn't feel it was fair to a special needs dog who needs extra time and care to commit to him and then potentially not have that extra time because of a newborn. Also, although I intend not to leave my children and my dog(s) alone unsupervised, the fact that some deaf dogs can be easily startled made me a little nervous. I may still adopt a deaf dog some day, but if I do, it won't be until any children we have are older and can understand the dog's disability and modify their interactions accordingly.
Also, if you are still intending to move soon, it might not be a good idea to adopt right now, especially a special needs dog.
@Miss Apricot: That was probably a good decision then, I can't imagine having my boy as a pup and having a baby... Actually, I can't imagine having any puppy (hearing or otherwise) when you have a baby... lol We knew we were going to wait to have kids for a while so that wasn't even a concern... That said, our boy is super mellow and has no problems being woken up. :)
That said, moving won't disrupt a pup too much... deaf or not dogs seem to adjust really well to that type of thing.
@bree72: haha I'm sorry, that makes me laugh because I can totally picture my dog zoning off into his own world... And just picturing your dog staring at the floor, you must get a kick out of her!! lol I didn't mean that your pup wasn't socialized, just some dogs are more independant, but Blue is very dependent, on me or another dog it doesn't matter if he's only known the dog two seconds he would ditch me for a dog. lol I don't know much about setters, but could some of this be her breed as well? I would think breeds and deafness could have different traits that tend to be more prominent.
@Ms Hedgehog: What breed is the pup? do you have a picture? :)
@o0olibelulao0o: Yep! She is a Morkie (Maltese/ Yokrie mix) and so adorable! I did just talk to the current owner and she had a TON of e-mails wanting her. Only 5 did she call and consider adopting her. I feel like I am interviewing for a dog now! They said she is smart, playful, and so sweet but she does talk... alot... which worries me. I have been told you can't train that out of a deaf dog because they don't realize what they are doing really since they can't hear it. Not sure how true that is but it is still a concern. We don't let our current pup bark. She gets in trouble for doing it. And I fear that could cause issues with her training and also my patience... I just don't know how well I can stand a barking dog all day. We will have to see though.



@o0olibelulao0o: Yep! She is a Morkie (Maltese/ Yokrie mix) and so adorable! I did just talk to the current owner and she had a TON of e-mails wanting her. Only 5 did she call and consider adopting her. I feel like I am interviewing for a dog now! They said she is smart, playful, and so sweet but she does talk... alot... which worries me. I have been told you can't train that out of a deaf dog because they don't realize what they are doing really since they can't hear it. Not sure how true that is but it is still a concern. We don't let our current pup bark. She gets in trouble for doing it. And I fear that could cause issues with her training and also my patience... I just don't know how well I can stand a barking dog all day. We will have to see though.



@o0olibelulao0o: Yep! She is a Morkie (Maltese/ Yokrie mix) and so adorable! I did just talk to the current owner and she had a TON of e-mails wanting her. Only 5 did she call and consider adopting her. I feel like I am interviewing for a dog now! They said she is smart, playful, and so sweet but she does talk... alot... which worries me. I have been told you can't train that out of a deaf dog because they don't realize what they are doing really since they can't hear it. Not sure how true that is but it is still a concern. We don't let our current pup bark. She gets in trouble for doing it. And I fear that could cause issues with her training and also my patience... I just don't know how well I can stand a barking dog all day. We will have to see though.



I'm not familar with the care that deaf dogs require, but I think this is so wonderful of you to consider! She is so cute!!
I LOVE the idea!
You sound like the perfect person for the job, I hope you adopt her!
Ahhhh, I soooo think you should get the dog! Our neighbors have 4 dogs. All 4 have a disability (1 is missing a leg, 1 is missing an eye, 1 is deaf and I can't remember about the other one). They are the sweetest 4 dogs ever. They did a wonderful job raising them.
You are obviously a special person to want to take on this opportunity and I truly believe people like you will continue to be blessed in life for all your good-doings :)
@Ms Hedgehog: We did teach Blue a "shh" sign so he knows when he's making noise and when he needs to be quiet... But generally he's a quiet dog. I disagree that they don't know what they are doing whent hey bark though, they might not know that it makes a sound, but they know that they are doing something different so if you say "no" or "shh" then they should know to stop doing what they are doing... I think the breed in general tend to be a bit more vocal than other breeds though.
I didn't realize it posted 3 times! I only hit "submit" once! Oh well.
Thanks guys. I am pretty excited and hopeful. We will see if Mr. Hedgie changes his tune. He is pretty unsure.
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We found a dog that is absolutely adorable. She is 8 weeks and playful, and so sweet. The only problem, she is deaf. I don't have experience with a deaf dog. I have always had a very special place in my heart for the disabled because of my MR brother but a dog is different than a person. I understand some limitations and never plan to let any dog, especially a deaf one, off the leash or outside of a fenced in or closed off area. Hearing or not, it just isn't safe. So, am I crazy? Do you think this would be a tougher batle than I am imagining? I already use hand signals with verbal commands in training with my hearing pup. And I know that we would have to get one of those pricy remote controlled vibrating collars for "no" or to get her attention some way... I dunno. Thoughts?