(Closed) Thoughts about Pledge of Allegiance

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Post # 3
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

I wrote a law review article about this.  The problem is is that our laws protect more than just not forcing children to recite religious speech.  Separation of church and state means that the government can’t endorse any particular religion. And reciting an oath is “under God” does just that. 

Post # 4
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

I agree with you!

Here’s a link to a YouTub that really explains the pledge.  It’s of Red Skelton, and he explains it in such a fantastic way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM

 

Post # 6
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011

I think it’s the “under God” part that really bothers people.

Post # 7
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Buzzing Beekeeper

I am totally on board with taking the words “Under God” out of the pledge, because I do not believe the government and religion should be intertwined in any way.

That said, to take the pledge out of schools completely strikes me as very disrespectful to the men and women who have fought and died for our country. Under God wasn’t even a part of the original pledge.

Post # 8
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

@Natalieh86:  I think the idea behind the separation of church and state has been skewed so much that it has taken away our right to religious freedom.  

Post # 10
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: December 2011

Well, the issue is our political system only works if we can sucessfully indoctrate the people to believe the goverement at it’s root is good for us and something we should support. And that starts with saying the Pledge in school. Good or bad, that is kind of how it is. I personally have no issue with the pledge in school. In the same way I would have no issue if a Muslim class mate or a Buddist classmate wanted to say a prayer in class, if I don’t believe in it, I can sit respectfully in silence for the two minutes. We have swung so far into “political correctness” to not offend people, it is pathedic. 

Post # 11
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@dayl20:  I just don’t know why they don’t change it back to the original pledge. I’m not anti-religion (very religious myself) but with the whole sep of church and state… i’m confused as to why ‘under God’ was even added!! I know there would be an uproar… but seriously it’s not like we’re changing it from it’s original intent

Post # 12
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@KatyElle:  I agree.. i don’t think it should be taken out and I think it would be disrespectful to do so.

Post # 13
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

@Loribeth:  I disagree.  I think some people believe that religous freedom involves forcing their believes on others. 

I think leaving out the under God would make the pledge constitutional, but the 9th Circuit tried that and there was a huge uproar.  Which was interesting because the 9th Circuit ended up reversing their decision (not the right technical term but close enough).  Funnily enough they said that “under God” wasn’t religious speech but then how do you explain the giant uproar?  And death threats the plaintiff was getting?  If it was just two meaningless words, no one would have flipped out. 

Post # 14
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2015

I really don’t feel like it has any real Purpose in the school system. I grew up in the 90’s and then everybody was made to say it, even the “under God” part. It does not conflict with my religious views, however I am a strong believer in the separation of church and state. I think that anything endorsing religion has no place in a public school.

Post # 15
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2013

The pledge in schools makes me uncomfortable, personally.  When I was a student, I opted out.  Not all teachers understand that this in an option, though, and I caught quite a lot of flack about it from certain teachers (telling me how unpatriotic I am, if I don’t like it I should leave, etc, just for opting out, not making some scene or anything).  The way I look at it is, a seven year old kid has no business making pledges of undying allegience to their country.  Kids aren’t dumb, no, but they are still kids without all the abilities to make full informed decisions.  The entire inclusion of the “under god” is another beast itself.  It was only added in the 50’s so that we were sure not to sound like those godless commies.  That’s not a good enough excuse, to me, to keep it around.  To me, it’s a clear violation.

A lot of peer pressure comes into play with things like this.  You’re asking kids to take an oath to serve their country loyally in front of a classroom.  Not only do I think it discourages critical thinking, but I think it can be harmful for the kids who don’t want to pledge their allegiance to this flag – you’re easily picked out and suddenly because you don’t want to you’re disloyal and unAmerican.

Sorry for rambling, but I guess I just don’t see the point.  What is the point of saying the pledge? I just don’t see the value of continuing to do something for traditions sake.

Post # 16
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

@Woodstock:  “under God” was added in 1954(ish) in response to the general notion that America was better that the heathen communists. 

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