Thoughts on dinner suits

posted 3 years ago in Grooms/men
  • poll: Dinner suit or regular?
    Buy the dinner suit for the wedding and future events : (12 votes)
    67 %
    Hire the dinner suit and buy a regular black suit : (6 votes)
    33 %
  • Post # 4
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    Worker bee
    • Wedding: November 2013

    I kind of agree with your mother, in regards to the satin Lapels. I think they say wedding suit, more than formal suit if that makes sense. Are satin Lapels a must?

    By the same token tho I think if you can buy a suit that can be used again then do it!

    My FH wears suits every day to work,  and we wanted a traditional english look so have rented Morning suits ( no point owning one in Australia lol) but as you are after a more versitile suit and if the lapels dont bother you go for it!  

    Post # 6
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    @Lollybags: A dinner suit will not pass for an ordinary suit, and should not be worn to day time events.  So, if you were thinking of having a dinner suit instead of an ordinary suit, that won’t work.  Black business suits really aren’t that useul – they’re essentially for funerals, but you can wear charcoal to a funeral as well.  If your FH is only going to own one suit, it should be navy blue, or charcoal grey. Navy is preferable, generally speaking.

    However, if you will be attending events in the future where black tie dress is appropriate (or would host them, if you own the correct attire; we’re planning to have black tie dinners!), buy the dinner suit.

    As an aside, Hugo Boss tends to involve a lot of paying for the label.  I would advise two things before buying a dinner suit:

    1. Read this primer in its front to back: http://www.blacktieguide.com

    2. If a Hugo Boss is within your means, investigate every made to measure and bespoke option.  If I’m guessing correctly the Boss suit would be around $1500-2500. For that, I would expect he can have a suit made to measure.  Depending on where you live, you may even be able to bespeak it.  I would probably be able to bespeak it here in Vancouver at the tailor I’ve just started going to for my alterations.

     

    Post # 7
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    3570 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    I agree, that you cannot use that tuxedo as a regular suit after the event.  Regular suits don’t have satin lapels. 

    Post # 9
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    @Lollybags:  You are sure to find a made to measure option for a suit for $900 – here a made to measure business suit, from a higher end menswear store – can be as little as $500.  Perhaps they’ve come down in price, though, because the cheapest I’ve seen them is $1200, and that was a few years ago.  Regardless, they are a brand where part of the price you pay is for the label, so I tend to avoid them.  I will admit that some of the things they make really have fantastic style, and I have either bought, or lusted after, them. For many years I really, really wanted one of their suits, but I’ve since learned that the reason I loved them so much was that they are a really great cut on my body, so it FIT me really well.

    Many men wear black suits to everything beacuse someone at a store once told them that, if they’re only going to have one suit, it should be black, and that black suits are good for everything.  I was the same when I bought my first suit.  A black suit isn’t wrong, but it isn’t very good style.  Suits, themselves, aren’t formal dress, so black with no pattern actually doesn’t fit.  A black suit is only the perfect attire for a funeral; it’s ok attire for everything else.  A black suit is 100% correct for a funeral, and ok for everything else.  A charcoal or navy suit is 100% correct for almost everything, and okay for a funeral.

    Again, a dinner suit is NOT a business suit, and can’t be worn that way.  Your FH would look ridiculous trying to wear it instead of a suit, ad disrespectful wearing it at a funeral.

    At any rate, there’s no NEED for a black suit in one’s closet, but there is need for a navy blue or charcoal – unless you’re in frequent need of mourning clothes.  Personally, if it’s between adding a black suit to a closet with several other suits, or adding a dinner suit to a closet with no dinner suits, I’d buy a dinner suit.

    Edit: I would suggest reading the “buying” section of http://www.blacktieguide.com, and looking at the options there, and also asking around to some other places to men who’ve owned a Boss suit they’ve bought recently about the quality – maybe it has improved.  But, I would be tempted to say, find a dinner suit with the details and general cut he likes, and probably for a little less than $900 (maybe like $400-600), and then spend your money at the tailor on immaculate alterations.  http://www.styleforumn.net is a great community for advice on these things.  Of course, like all communities, it has its share of nutbars and nitwits, so don’t take the members’ posts as Gospel.  But, before buying a tux, really, really DO read http://www.blacktieguide.com

     

     

    Post # 11
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    3249 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    @Lollybags:  If you can find some info about the suits, and how true to size they are, buying online is an okay option, as long as you have a good alterations tailor you can take it to when it arrives.  If he’d wear a dinner suit again several times, I would buy it, especially f $900 is a good price for where you live,  He will look much, much better in his own, properly altered, dinner suit, than in a hired one.

    There’s been a bit of a movement over here away from tuxedos (which I think is good, since most weddings happen during the day, and no one seems to know tuxedos are evening attire!) toward suits, because a good suit is a more practical investment, and definitely looks better in your photos if they’re taken in daylight.

    Post # 13
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: March 2012

    I must admit, I’m slightly confused, so my reply might not make sense to you either. 

    When you say dinner suit, I take that to mean a white dinner (tuxedo) jacket with black tuxedo pants, white tux shirt, and black accessories. A tuxedo is too formal unless you are going to a black tie, or black tie optional event. Any tuxedo is too formal for anything requiring “formal” or cocktail attire, which are typical of weddings and funerals. 

    I love white dinner jackets, but they can only be worn in the warmer months unless you are going to a tropical location. For this reason, you will still need a black tuxedo jacket if you are in the market to purchase your own tux. 

    So if you are looking for a versatile suit that he could get the most wear out of, I’d go with an actual suit, not a tuxedo of any kind. And if you want to purchase a tuxedo because you think you will get enough use out of it to justify the cost, I personally would buy both a white dinner jacket and a black tuxedo jacket that can both be worn with the same black pants and black accessories, and white shirt. That way you won’t be purchasing two complete tuxedos but will have the summer jacket for black tie events. 

    Post # 14
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    Worker bee
    • Wedding: November 2013

    @Lollybags:  

    Didnt notice you were in Australia too!

    We hired ours from Spurling formal wear – they have a huge range check their website, and the tailor their hire suits to fit properly, We just went in last weekend to get the measurements taken for FH and BM, and we have given them the measurements for the other two Gromsman who are Overseas- they will get suits in to fit but a week before they can alter if needed- so Hired suits need not look sloppy. 

    Also, we used InStitchu ( which is in china but they have tailors in AUS) to have some suits made for my FH for work and the Melbourne cup, they were really good quality and a perfect fit, so may be an option if a custom made job here is to hard 🙂 

    Post # 15
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    Worker bee
    • Wedding: November 2013

    @Duncan:  

    Black suits are worn A LOT in this part of the world, especially to events like the Racing carnival, funerals, weddings,  

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