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I know I probably shouldn't bring up politics, but I find the Occupy protests pretty fascinating.
One quote I heard from a protester made me really mad today. He said, "We all just spent almost $100K each to get advanced degrees but no one told us there wouldn't be jobs waiting for us when we got done. The system is seriously flawed."
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.... I don't have a master's degree, but even I know that no one has a job just waiting for them when they get out of high school/community college/college.
What are your thoughts?
@Miss Longcoat: according to the protests, everyone is a victim. I just don't buy it....
@Miss Longcoat: I definitely know what they're saying. The mentality in the U.S. is that if you go to college, at least around here, then you're guranteed a job like it was even 10 years ago. Now it isn't a gurantee, but before you went to college you were fed the kool-aid that you need a college degree and that there'll be jobs for you. There is such a great amount of educated people that the competition is just too great even if you graduate at the top of your class in college. I've watched people with several internships, 4.0s, volunteer work spend 12+ months trying to find jobs. I really sympathize with recent college grads, mothers trying to re-enter the workforce, older people after being laid off, etc. It's a really tough market for anyone really. And then there's a lot of people who believe that their job is untouchable and that they'll have job security really look down on a lot of people associated with the Occupy movement. Unfortunately, the idea of job security is being broken.
I do think they need to get more organized.
A friend said this today and it pretty much sums up how I feel about the protests.
"A child is crying. The mother asks 'What's wrong? How can I help?' The child just says 'I'm mad!' and keeps crying. The mother keeps asking 'What can I do?' and the child just keeps crying. Eventually the mother gives up and stops listening to the child. Moral of the story: Protesting without a goal is useless and counter-productive."
@Aure: I love that analogy.
@beekiss: I don't know, maybe it's just my background, but my parents taught us that if you want a good job, you have to work your way up. My sisters and I all worked in high school, then college and made our own way. I don't think education is the way to get a good job, it's actually through experience AND education.
@Miss Longcoat: I totally agree with you.
And that quote pissed me off too. People today are so entitled. Just because you spent a bunch of money on a college degree doesn't mean anyone owes you anything. It doesn't take an genius to know that jobs aren't just sitting there waiting for every college grad.
You get somewhere through time and hard work. No one is going to hand anybody anything in life.
@Mrs.KMM: Agreed. College doesn't need to cost $100K. I got a great education for a fraction of that at a state school, and landed a job in my field after a couple of unpaid internships. Granted, my first year of this job was spent getting coffee for my boss and standing at a copy machine all day, but I had to start somewhere.
I know it's tough out there. But it seems like these protestors are complaining about different things.
I knew that I wasn't guaranteed a job after graduating college, even though I was in the honors program, graduated early, and had a really high GPA. I had two internships completed before I even graduated. During my senior year, I was well aware the job market was dwindling (how you could you not know that?!) so I started looking and applying for jobs 6 to 7 months before actually finishing my degree. I started reaching out to companies to see who would be looking for new hires at the time I'd be done. Even though not much came of all my effort during school, I learned where to look, how to apply for the right jobs, and what I could expect. I knew that even though I had a college degree, I wasn't guaranteed a salary at a good company. Instead, I accepted an internship. It was paid hourly, but I learned all the skills necessary to get hired on full time in less than 3 months.
Long story short: I didn't expect the government (or any company for that matter) to provide me with assistance once I entered "the real world." I worked hard for my degree and so I worked equally as hard to get my full time job.
@Aure: If a mother has a child with a problem, but the child is too young to articulate the problem, and the mom just gives up? She is a bad mother. I do not like that analogy.
I like the protests. I think they're bringing much needed social awareness to a serious problem. And its not that I'm lazy or entitled. My husband and I actually do have good jobs and make good salaries that put us probably in the top 10%. I haven't personally struggled with unemployment or poverty. And yet I STILL think what they're doing is right. The 1% in this country is using their sway to manipulate laws to widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots. And I don't think that the protesters need to have all the answers. I think it is their job to bring awareness to the problem and it is the governments job (the "mother") to figure out the problem and fix it.
@Mrs. Fireworks: I really don't understand why people think the protestors want government assistance. What they want is LESS assistance for the rich and companies. They want an even playing field, not one where everything is stacked against them from the day they graduate college.
...I feel they need a real message.
They also need to remove themselves from McPherson Square. Seriously, my walk to the metro is much louder and stinkier with them there.
However, when I walked through this morning, there was a whole group of 'em with Starbucks. I cracked up at them.
This generation feels entitled. Having the degree doesn't automatically assure you a stable job. You have to work for that. Someone forgot to teach us that, so we have to figure it out on our own. (I am of said generation, but I worked for my job, and I understand life isn't easy).
They make me so infuriated I can barely stand to watch the news reports about them. That dude's 100K college education must have been at a pretty crappy school if he thinks the demands of his movement would ever actually work. As I said in a previous post.. they need to spend some time reading economics text books rather than starting bon fires in the middle of Oakland.
@CorgiTales: Didn't you JUST say it's the government's job to fix everything. Now you are saying they don't want government assistance?
I'm on the other side of the argument then everyone else here.

@CorgiTales: agree completely.
I think that the protestors aren't doing a good job of articulating their message, which is not "give me a job" or "give me more government assistance." It's "Stop bailing out the 1% of the country that is largely responsible for this economic mess." Like Corgi said, the gap is widening between the have and have nots, and it's because the 1% has so much influence, and it's not right.
That being said, they need to be more organized and more effective relaying their message since people still aren't getting it.
@CorgiTales: I'm not saying they expect goverment assistance, per say, but going off what the OP heard a protester say: "We all just spent almost $100K each to get advanced degrees but no one told us there wouldn't be jobs waiting for us when we got done. The system is seriously flawed."
The system in that regards isn't flawed. No one forced anyone to spend $100K on advanced degrees and promised jobs at the end. It's not the government's responsibility to provide jobs for most of the country or to tell people what's ahead of them. I don't know how that protester didn't know about the job market from watching the news.
I live in DC and hapend to be in the area of the city a few weeks ago while they were protesting. I have no idea what exactly the are pissed about. I have several friends who work on the hill for senators and congressmen. The Senate really has no idea what they are complaing about and my friend told me that her Senator (boss) is not impressed and is trying to work on other things. I am just tired of all of it and they are really making it hard to get around town so that I (who actually pays taxes and works for a living) can get to my job.
I think a lot of people are missing the meaning of the movement. Are there few that proably feel entitled to a job, yes, but I don't think that is the majority. I think it had to do with the way corporations are able to effect laws, making it easier for those at the top to make large salaries while providing little for their employess. I believe America should be run by people, not corporations. The people that having been paying for the mistakes of these companies has not been the people running them, but the middle class worker.
This is my thoughts on the whole thing:

Also there is a website that supports the opposite side of Occupy. It is called teh 53% my dad just sent it to me this moring. It is actually pretty interesting.
@Mrs. Fireworks: I agree with this too.
That protestor is the reason why people don't understand the real message of the Occupy movements. It's not supposed to be about the government finding everyone a job or forgiving student loans, etc. It's about corporations having too much influence over our government.
@Widdget: "I am just tired of all of it and they are really making it hard to get around town so that I (who actually pays taxes and works for a living) can get to my job."
I am sure many of the protestors do have jobs and pay taxes. I know I protested earlier this year in my state and my husband and I definately make more then an average income for people our age and definately pay taxes.
@Boston Bee: Here is a published list of demands. If you ask me there is a WHOLE lot of government assistance included in there.

In addition, I think they're message has become fogged, and it's hard to tell what exactly they want anymore because of conflicting statements such as the quote from the OP. If it's "Occupy Wall Street," why is a protester complaining about not having a job after spending money on college? Shouldn't they just be complaining about government bailing out big buisinesses? Analogies are great to explain something, but when making a point about the government and Wall Street, you can't compare it to goverment and individual people. It's inherently and intrinsically NOT the same. At all.
I think they have so much they want to express about the down economy that the point of the movement has become foggy and it's losing it's original power.
I wish they'd be more focused. I wish they'd pick one issue that more people could rally behind. If they focused on executive compensation, I think they'd have a lot more impact. Saying an entire industry is bad doesn't work. Saying the few at the top of an industry are bad might work.
I have to admit that when Bank of America complained about not collecting enough fees, I kept wondering if the CEO didn't make $1.9 million per year in salary, if they'd be in the same boat.
@Moose1209: I think it is the government's job to fix the problem, because they created it! That doesn't mean handing out checks (i.e. "government assistance). It means changing the laws so that companies and the top 1% can't continue to milk the middle class for everything they're worth. The way the system has been created it is actively harming the middle and lower classes, that is not right.
@mwitter80: so fucked up. I feel for that guy.
@Mrs. Fireworks: .... college is expensive. I went to a state college and worked 30 hrs/week as a waitress while taking a full course load at school, and then I went to a state law school and worked internships. I have 80k in debt. If you don't have mommy or daddy to bankroll you, and you're not one of the very FEW who are able to get a full ride, even working your ass off leaves you deep in debt. And what else are we supposed to do? You can't get a decent job without a degree. Even with a degree it is super hard to find a job. So you think an advanced degree might help. And maybe it does (it did for me), but maybe it doesn't. Lots of my friends spent more than 12 months unemployed after law school!
@Widdget: Your friend's senator boss is being willfully ignorant. Anyone who is paying attention knows that what they're protesting is the government's partnership with the rich and powerful at the expense of the rest of the american people.
I agree with alot of the PP.
They are complaining that their Classic Studies degree are now useless. Where was your advisor before now? Did you think you were going to make money with a degree in Latin?
Not only are they complaining about useless degrees and expecting to be paid big bucks immediately upon graduating, they are actually causing other people to loose their jobs. 21 people were layed off from a cafe in the area due to people being forced around the protesters.
Their list of demands is ridiculous. They should throw in "Everyone gets a pony".
@CorgiTales: i basically agree with everything you've said :)
The protesters here are going to freeze to death because none of them have any winter camping stuff/nor have they winter camped before. I wish the city would step in and stop it because in my climate it is very dangerous (-50 without the windchill in Feb sometimes). Also they have created a huge problem because they had been feeding and housing the homeless. What are those people going to do after they are gone?
Short term answers don't fix long term problems.
I agree with the philosophy of the movement. But I was always told growing up, if you want a job, go into college or the workforce. If you want an education, go to university. University doesn't guarantee jobs. Only an education.
@Widdget: you might find this interesting. I did: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/12/1025555/-Open-Letter-to-that-53-Guy
@LGenz: ha!!! I was just going to say the exact same thing.... and I want a pony, and a kitty, and unicorns flying over rainbows every day at noon.
@Widdget: Wow--very strong messages; thanks for sharing!
@mrskesslertobe: I do agree with you about one thing--it's great that the protests are getting people thinking and talking about things as opposed to just going about our business without questioning things.
@LGenz: OH you just made me seriously LOL and now I have to forward the link to my co-worker. too funy
@mrskesslertobe: I just believe in taking responsiblity for you own actions. I work hard for my money and everything that I have. I work in the healthcare field and in a very underserved population. I would just like to see people take more accounitabity that is all.
Here's what I do agree with:
The Banks and Wall Street CAUSED the financial crisis by selling FRAUDULENT and ILLEGAL credit default swaps that they marketed as a "no fail" investment while they were secretly betting on the investments to fail and raked in BILLIONS of dollars when they did. They also handed out Subprime morgtgages like candy to low income, uninformed homebuyers and bet on those to fail as well and made BILLIONS off of those investments while the housing market collapsed
They were then bailed out by the government for hundreds of billions of dollars, the only criminal charges ever filed from these illegal actions were on low-level brokers who were only following corporate marching orders, and the bank executives get to ride off into the sunset while the average american struggles to keep food on the table.
I still think they're going about "sending their message" in a crappy way, though
I think the poll needed an option saying you don't support it.
I walk by them daily and I'm pretty upset by it. I think a lot of them are professional protestors who just want to protest everything. I absolutely hate the idea that the government should give you a job or even help you. I get that everyone has hard times, but the government should only be there for a couple of months to help you back on your feet.
On the other side I do agree that wall street is NOT right and is very corrupt. Last year I lost over 10k from the stock market. Paltry I know compared to what most lost, but I was PISSED when I learned they still got multimillion dollar bonuses. I have absolutely nothing against people making even 350k, but millions? Off the backs of poor Americans and poor countries paying 20% interest rates? Simply moving my money around you make millions?? wtf.
That being said I HATE protestors and I do not want to live in a socialized country. These protestors are a bit too radical I think for the most Americans to jump on board with their message.
@CorgiTales: I never said that it was right that they are'nt paying attention, I am just saying that they don't seem to care. From what my friend said, the protesting is just simply not getting the message across. It appears that it is not being that effective.
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