Today he put on deposit on this, and now I have a question…

posted 3 years ago in Rings
Post # 4
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Newbee
  • Wedding: December 2014

Im a waiting bee.. but I think when you find the ONE its it. I think its so crap that some women just get a ring to ‘tide them through’ until they resize to a larger ring- its that one you get first that should mean more than a price tag- its memory and sentiment! I think it is timeless and beautiful. Who cares if someone was to look at your ring- unless they are a diamond expert they arent going to notice whether its ideal or good. Most people are going to notice the size. But do what YOU like best. I think it is gorgeous and if you love it- go for it

Post # 5
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 1993

It’s beautiful!  There are many well-versed bees who willprovide very knowledgeable comments  .  Either one will be exquisite!

Post # 6
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: July 2015

@ohmariemarie:  Gorgeous ring and setting! It totally suits your finger 🙂 I agree with PP if you love it–go for it!! My only sliiight concern is that you mentioned it was certified from the seller, not independently (I don’t necessairly believe it HAS to be GIA…I have fallen in love with EGL diamonds) if you are wanting to be more sure of the specs I would think an independent apraisal may be the way to go (other bees may correct me as I’m by no means an expert :)) however, like I said before, it is stunning and if you love it–go for it!!

Post # 7
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 1997

Keep in mind that one SI2 isn’t the same as the next. In that grade, inclusions can vary tremendously. But give online retailers a chance. Blue Nile (and other online vendors) can and will work closely with you to get you what you want and have great return policies. They also offer mostly GIA certified stones, which under most circumstances are graded tougher than seller-certified stones. 

Post # 8
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

If you saw the diamond in person and loved it….that’s what matters. My engagement ring stone is also a SI2 and it’s beautiful….my right hand  ring diamond is an I1 and it looks great too.  If you hadn’t seen it in person, then I would say maybe wait.

The ring is beautiful by the way! Congrats!

Post # 9
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Honey Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2011

@ohmariemarie:  Did you try to negotiate with Shane?  I would tell them exactly what you said here.  That you would like to buy it through them, but you’ve found a better price elsewhere.  See if they will drop the price of the diamond a bit.

Post # 10
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

In all honesty you are likely paying even more than just the $1k difference as it is not GIA rated the stone could and most likely would rank even lower on the color, cut, and clarity scale by GIA standards.

Post # 11
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164 posts
Blushing bee

@ohmariemarie:  When you take into account the experience of you choosing the diamond, the feelings you had ring shopping and etc, then I say if you love it then that’s what matters. Congratulations!

That being said, I’ve read too many threads of people getting swept up in the experience of ring shopping, not making a fully informed choice, and then discovering they could have had a diamond that sparkles a whole lot more. Putting those feelings aside, I would very much recommend refunding the deposit and starting again. There are some red flags that are concerning.

First, it hasn’t been rated by an independent lab, so you don’t really know what the true specs. People may say that specs don’t matter, but even 1 color grade can dramatically affect the price you’re paying. It’s a well known practice where diamond vendors send their high quality stones to the top grading labs (AGS/GIA), since people know of their strict reputation and will sell for higher. They send their poorer stones to lower labs (EGL), since it’s likely the stone will have the grades bumped up. So what does it say about a store that doesn’t send their stones to a lab at all? It’s quite a conflict of interest, especially for things that are very hard to understand to regular consumers like you and I. I bought a set of uncertified stones from a large box retailer before, supposedly G SI1 stones. I brought it to 2 independent jewelers, who both agreed they were I-J I1-I2 stones.

This also causes the problem of what exactly is a ‘good’ cut to Shane? More importantly, were you actually comparing it to an ideal cut diamond, one that independent labs would call ideal as well? There should have been a dramatic difference between a good cut and ideal cut diamond. The problem is that the majority of consumers don’t have a clue what a GIA Excellent / AGS Ideal cut diamond looks like. So when you’re comparing stones to Blue Nile, you have to remember that the vast majority are already certified by labs, which are ‘worth’ more than an uncertified one (again, this is from an objective view).

It’s impossible for anyone to judge how a diamond performs from real life photos, especially from a cell phone camera. An ideal cut diamond could look exactly the same as a poor cut diamond from those pictures. If Shane offers their own ‘report’ of the diamond with angles, you can post the table and depth %, crown and pavilion angles here and we can comment on the performance. Or better yet, create a thread on Pricescope, they’re a collection of diamond experts who help consumers like us.

Here’s a video showing the dramatic differences between cut grades, and it’ll show what a true ideal cut diamond looks like. In my opinion, it is always better to sacrifice size/color for an ideal cut stone. Sparkle is the whole point of a diamond, isn’t it? And cut quality determines sparkle. Period. Relatively speaking, a good cut isn’t good at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp94DI3xTA0&list=WL5AC6F322A43BD0F6

Diamond shopping is all about what you’re willing to pay for. If you want an in-person experience at a large retailer with smiling sales associates, then you pay more (usually much more) than if you bought online. If you want to know exactly what you’re buying, you pay more for a certified stone. 

If you can, ask Shane Co to bring in an AGS ideal or GIA triple excellent cut stone, and compare yours to that in all lighting, especially outside. I highly doubt the ideal stone they showed you was a true ideal cut stone.

Post # 13
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

@ohmariemarie:  I wouldnt ever sacrifice on cut. We went with the best cut possible (and a lower carat) and it sparkles like twice the size. I have friends that have bigger carat sizes and they always ask why my ring sparkles so much. We bought my stone from Blue Nile and my setting elsewhere because I was super picky. Wouldnt change a thing.

Post # 14
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79 posts
Worker bee

@ohmariemarie:  You should also have the option of sourcing your own center diamond and bringing it to Shane to set into a ring you bought there. My FI purchased my diamond separately and then went to a big name retailer for the setting. He really values customer service and they’ve been good to us so far. Even though we didn’t get a diamond from there, our setting actually cost way more so I think they still ended up with a good transaction. 

I would definitely think hard about getting a Shane graded Good cut (as another poster said, probably not graded as stringently as a reputable lab) versus a reputable lab Ideal. Most diamonds will still sparkle in some way but Ideals will do so much better. I recommend watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hImYTholWxo This is a store that has a lot of diamond education on their website and this video shows different lighting conditions on a GIA Good versus a Hearts and Arrows Ideal (note that not all Ideals are H&A). The GIA Good definitely has some sparkle, but in the last lighting condition, the center of the stone goes dark and never lights up.

Plenty of people don’t worry about getting an Ideal and it’s all a personal decision. They’re still very happy with their rings! But I value cut over size. And I get sad when I go to the mall and try on rings with really poorly cut diamonds that don’t even sparkle under the jewelry store lights. 

ETA: Whoops, I repeated a lot from a previous poster, sorry! About GIA/AGS grading, those two labs are the more reputable grading labs. They tend to be more consistent and have more stringent standards about their grading. Diamonds from other labs won’t fall apart or anything, but they may say an I color is a G so you’re not really getting what you pay for. 

Post # 16
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164 posts
Blushing bee

@ohmariemarie:  AGS/GIA certified stones are highly valued because they are the most consistant and strict labs, so you know exactly what you’re buying. Yes, the report itself will be put away in a safe somewhere, but it has much more value than that. It has nothing to do with diamond durability.

Certified stones from labs like EGL have a reputation for grading softly, which benefits the vendor, since they can sell it for more. For example, a stone can be sent to EGL and the report says it’s an ideal cut G SI1. The same stone sent to GIA could achieve a very good cut (not ideal) I SI2. Which would make the vendor more money? The EGL report would. Both the vendors and consumers (who do their research) know this, so the GIA/AGS certification is ‘worth’ more, since it’s not likely to have inflated grades.

Now, what if the vendor was confident he had an ideal cut D Flawless diamond. If he sends it to both GIA and EGL, it’ll receive top grades from both. If the vendor uses the EGL certificate, consumers will think EGL just graded it softly, and wouldn’t pay as much. But using the GIA certificate means the vendor can charge more, since he has proof from a very reliable lab.

AGS and GIA are both reputable, but AGS actually is much stricter in awarding it’s ideal cut grade. So if you get an AGS ideal cut stone, you know it’s a top performer.

The unfortunate reality is that many jewelers use this to their advantage. A high quality stone will be sent to the reputable labs to get proof that they are high quality. A poor quality stone will get sent to a less reputable lab to get a grading boost. So if you, the consumer, buys an in-store/EGL G SI1 that’s $1000 less than a GIA G SI1, are you really getting a deal? Well if that store was sent to GIA, it might receive a H SI2 grade, which would be $1000 less than the GIA G SI1 anyways.

You get what you pay for. 

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