Tuxedos… I'm confused!

posted 3 years ago in Grooms/men
  • poll: Can my FI wear his own tux?
    Yes, tuxedos are interchangeable. Just rent the matching accessories. : (8 votes)
    27 %
    No, he has to perfectly match the rental tux, even though it won't fit him. : (4 votes)
    13 %
    It depends on the tux that FSIL picks out... : (9 votes)
    30 %
    I did/will have all my GM's wear rental tuxes : (6 votes)
    20 %
    Some of my GM's wore/ will wear their own tuxedos : (1 votes)
    3 %
    My GM's didn't wear tuxedos. : (2 votes)
    7 %
  • Post # 3
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    650 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2014

    FI has a thorough tuxedo understanding, and he is educating me. He will be wearing a midnight blue shawl collar tux for our wedding, and our best man will likely wear a black tux with peak lapels. These look kind of different from each other, and now that I know the difference, I’d probably be able to tell. I think you should find our what color and style lapel they are planning to rent and have your FI buy and tailor a similar style. Everyone looks better in something well tailored to their bodies, and surely FSIL can understand that as a bride! I think as long as you get the color and style the same, it will be perfect to just match with the accessories. 

    Post # 4
    Member
    5421 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: August 2014

    @Strawberryfarmer:  IMPO tuxes are not interchangeable; there can be a whole host of differences from the cut, to the fabric, to the lapels; every man I know owns a good tux; and not one is the same. If your OH gets his own and everyone else gets one from the same rental company, he will probably stand out ; he really needs to speak to the bride and groom about it first. 

    Post # 5
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    10219 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: December 2012

    Tuxs like other “piece” of clothing has variations…

    Different fabrics, colours, cuts (single breasted, double breasted etc), lapel styles (notch, shawl etc), grograin vs satin trim etc.

    I suggest that your Fiance work alongside the BIL Groom & FSIL to see what their plans are.

    That said,

    I am a big proponent of a man owning a Tux… especially so if he is a professional and lives in a good sized city.

    Generally speaking one can purchase a basic Tux (Jacket & Pants) for the cost of 2 or 3 Rentals.

    Accessories… Shirts, Ties, Cummerbund / or Vest, Cufflinks & Studs are all extras and there are many options in each category which can take a Tux from the Classic (James Bond Look) to something more interesting or fun for the right type of social occasion.

    For more info on Tuxs you might want to take a look at one of the better Haberdashery Websites on the issue:

    Black Tie Guide = http://www.blacktieguide.com/

    GQ Black Tie Guide = http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style/articles/2012-08/30/black-tie-guide-suit-shirt-how-to

    Hope this helps,

    PS… Mr TTR bought his Tux at a Men’s Store that specializes in Formal Wear… he got a “gently used” Wool Tux (3 season) for $ 200 CDN.  It was an Oscar de La Renta Tux (yes there are No Name, Brand Name, and Designer Tuxs)… it had been rented out about 10 times, but looked totally like it was new… gotta remember they dry clean each time they are worn.  It was a perfect deal for my guy.  Accessories came to less about $ 100 initially… lol, but in the years since he’s bought his tux (3 ish) he’s added more items, as he likes to have choice of fun things to dress up his look for particular occasions… like Weddings, Galas, Cruises etc

     

    Post # 6
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    10219 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: December 2012

    Re – Fit

    A good Tux supplier can outfit any man despite his size… short, tall, big or small… even kids & women.

    Tuxes (even rentals) are a mix & match situation… so the pants and jackests altho match as “a suit” come in seperates.

    When you buy though rather than just “basting” things to fit properly, they are truly stiched to one’s custom measurements.

    Hope this helps,

     

    Post # 8
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    10219 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: December 2012

    To @Strawberryfarmer:  IMO, the key thing is to get all the info he can from the Groom / Bride… and what Tuxes they are planning to use.

    Fabric, Colour, Cut, Lapels etc… and the Name & Number… a picture (online from a Supplier, like we see for WDresses) would be even better.

    Then if you can go see it in person… maybe take a few photos.

    Use that as your basis when you are shopping. 

    Colour, Cut & Lapels are going to be the most important thing if he needs to “fit in with the others in a BP”

    ie, He doesn’t want to be wearing a double breasted if everyone else is wearing a single breasted.  Same with various lapel styles (well for the most part).

    Hope this helps,

     

    Post # 9
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    3249 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    The very purpose of formalwear is that it creates uniformity – it follows a FORM, hence the term formal.

    The first step for anyone planning to buy, rent, borrow, or otherwise wear a Tuxedo, is to read The Black Tie Guide here:

    http://www.theblacktieguide.com from front to back!

    The next step is to decide if one is doing Black Tie, or rental industry wedding Tuxedos (e.g. coloured vests/ties, etc.).

    Really, the question is whether the bride and groom want formalwear, or uniforms.   My Black Tie rig, with all the accessories, and alterations, ended up costing me under $500 – including shoes.  Well, my black Homburg was $200 extra, but it was a gift from a dear friend who knew I was dying to own one.

    So, OP, if your FSIL wants everyone to look identical, I would try to get her to accept just the same bow tie/cummerbund/vest.  Chances are, the Tuxedos that will be rented will actually just be black business suits with shiny lapels.

    Rented Tuxedos are generally:
    two button jackets (this is incorrect; it should be one button)
    Notch lapels (this is not correct; peak lapels are the more formal option, and a shawl collar is the less formal option. Notches are a no-go on a proper Tuxedo)
    Centre vents (A Tuxedo’s jacket should have no vent, or two side vents are acceptable, but less correct)

    A peak lapel, one-button jacket will probably look fine next to standard two-button notch jackets, and few people would notice.  A shawl collar might stand out more amongst notch-lapelled jackets.

    I think the best favour you can do her, however, is to introduce her to the Black Tie Guide.  Once you understand how classic formalwear is truly meant to work, it is vastly preferable to the North American tradition that developed in the 70’s and 80’s, and has continued through to today.

    I will now get down from my soap box.  Cheers!

    Post # 10
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    3249 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    @Strawberryfarmer:  Black Tie Guide is also full of resources on where to buy, but if you’re willing to spend the money, find a good tailor to make it.  A made to measure should run you $2000 or less.  Bespoke, you’ll be looking at more than that.  Give Brooks Brothers a look – they do MtM, though I would reccommend finding a tailor who does it on site.

    Also, tailcoats are NOT Tuxedos.  If the bride wants tails, he would not be able to wear that to Black Tie events – only to White Tie events.  There is remarkably less call to own a tailcoat.  Now, that’s not to say it isn’t on MY list of things to own, but it’s a much less practical thing to own than a Tuxedo.  AGain, if you can afford it, and want to, PLEASE do get a full White Tie ensemble, because that’s bloody awesome.

    Post # 11
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    5421 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: August 2014

    @This Time Round:  +1; a good tux is a wardrobe essential IMPO. OH is buying a grey lounge suit for the ceremony and day, and a tux for the evening, and plans in investing in good-quality ones that will last for years to come.

    Post # 12
    Member
    398 posts
    Helper bee

    I can only second Duncan’s posts. His advice is solid — particularly regarding step lapels not being proper for a dinner jacket. BTW, the same is true for centre vents. A dinner jacket should not have any vents, but if absolutely necessary side vents are considered acceptable. It all goes back to the days of horseback riding when a centre back vent was an indicator of sporty clothing.

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