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You usually have to have the date set 6 months ahead of time regardless of situation. Since you also need an annulment and he has been deployed so you can't do the necessary couples counseling together I don't see how a church wedding can happen in 5 months.
I'm not Catholic, so I don't have any advice to give, but the fact that your priest is 'cool' about this is a good sign. Has he told you that you will be able to get everything organized in 5 months? I would continue to seek his advice on the matter. Good luck!
I'm with bamm, speak to your priest about your concerns. I gather you've been going to your church for a long time so I'm sure that he'll do everything that he can to help you.
Talk to your priest. I know firsthand that my friend's catholic wedding was done quickly, even though the groom was stationed in Korea for 2 years. I think they got a "pass" on the traditional counseling b/c they only met like once with him. He'll work with you, but voice your concerns. The annullment is where I'd be most concerned about getting that done.
The annulment is going to take the most amount of time... all the rest of the paperwork and Pre-Cana stuff can easily be handled in 5 months. I agree with the other posters about talking to your priest. He will be your best source on trying to figure what you can get done in a reasonable amount of time. Your Fi is deployed, but do you know if there is a priest on his base? Most well-established bases have a base priest that can help speed along the annulment process since he isn't physically near you.
He should still be able to get the ball rolling while deployed. It may mean a day where he has to work on that instead of speaking with you, etc, but it needs to be started ASAP. I had a bride who was waiting on her FI's annulment and in the 1.5 years they were engaged it didn't come through.
Also, there is no guarantee the annulment will even come through. There's a whole investigative process it goes through and it looks at the moment the covenant became valid, not what happens after the marriage covenant.
For more info see
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/annulment.htm
http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/alternativestodivorce/ht/annulment.htm
The second is a step by step shows what is needed. It also gives an 16 month time frame.
are you sure your FI and his ex-wife even willing to go through with the annulment? if there are kids involved, i think it may be unlikely.
Has he started the annulment process yet? If not, I doubt you are going to be able to be married in five months. It took my parents two and a half years and a lot of money when my father wanted to remarry in the church.
I just want to throw out there that the ex doesn't technically have to be "willing" to go through it, as long as your FI is.
The church does recognize the marriage of christians regardless of if they are Catholic or not, so in order to get married in the church and stay in proper standing with the church, he's going to have to get an annulment....
Hmmm perhaps I'm a "confused catholic" but if he's not Catholic why does he need an anullment? I thought the church didn't recognize non-Catholic weddings... there are so many rules I seem to have missed!
Edit: Ahhh sorry, I was just confused, don't mind me. I just read the above post by @KLP2010
It's all good, I was thinking that too at first, lol. I had to refrence Church documents for the answer! That post was orig. starting out,
"Oh, he's NOT Catholic... well, then in that case...."
Then it was like... oops. delete! lol
NOW, the one thing I'm not technically clear on is the marriage of "non baptized" Christians or the marriage of a Baptized to non-baptized. OR... non-baptized in a Christian ceremony....
What I do know, is that it looks at the time of vows. At the moment of the marriage there has to be something that is keeping the Marriage Covenant from being sealed. i.e. No intent of fidelity. Lying about the will to have children... etc.
So, if his previous marriage wasn't in a christian church, he doesn't have to do annulment right?
I think you will have to ask the Diocese for a "dispensation" if he is not Catholic. Our priest explained that in that process he would write a letter to the diocese basically saying that he supports you in your marriage and to ask permission, and the Bishop will write a letter basically giving permission to your priest.
No, if he is a baptized Christian he will need one. It could have been in a corthouse with a justice of the peace.... but he'd still need one in order to get married in a way his fiance can get married in the church to him.
Just like in many other area's of the church's view of marriage... it's not about "legal" aspects of the marriage but the intent of the marriage covenant.
Again, I'm not sure of the technicalities though of non-baptized or the combo baptized/non-baptized in a non-catholic wedding in regards to annulments.
If it is God's will for the two of you to marry, than you will marry in His time. Take a step back and try this prayer on for size:
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference.
Remember, God is in control and that when we pray to God, we are taught to pray "Thy will be done" not "my will be done." Try not to grasp on for so much control. How many times have we heard "If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans." God has his own plans for your life and learning to surrender to them is a part of the Christian journey.
You probably won't be able to get married in 5 months, but just try to surrender those anxieties. My fiance' and I had to move back our wedding date as well, not to mention the tons of hang ups I've had to go through to plan this wedding. Seriously, I wanted a wedding in a beautiful old Catholic Church with a schola singing beautiful traditional Gregorian chant and polyphony. But I had to give up the old church for a more modern looking building, and 3 months before the wedding, the chior director informed me that he has no singers to offer me, even though we'd come to an agreement 6 months prior to the wedding. As such, I'm only having an organist.
But really I've had to learn what is important is not that my wedding fulfill some childhood fantasy, but that we come before God to enter a valid and sacramental marriage. Beyond that, its just inviting the family to celebrate our marriage. My advise is to take whatever instruction you need to take to get things done and allow everything to work out in God's time and in accord with God's will. He will not let you down. The key is to learn to trust Him
Fellow parishioner of mine was in a similar situation. Her now husband had been married before & wasn't Catholic. Here's how our parish priest handled it...he helped the groom get the annulment ball rolling. Like PPs said above, the annulment didn't come through in time for them to have a Catholic ceremony...BUT, our priest encouraged them to legally get married in a civil ceremony at that time (so they wouldn't lose any money put in for their reception venue, etc.) & so that they would be able to live as husband and wife. (since the paperwork was started & the groom was actively pursuing the annulment, our priest was very understanding of their commitment & helped the couple work through these first months of civil marriage & what it meant in the church) Then, when the annulment came through, they had their marriage convalidated in the church, at which time the Church recognized their marriage as a full sacrament (in the time between the civil ceremony & the convalidation, the groom had converted to Catholicism - as a surprise for the bride! He had found his faith in the commitment of our priest to their marriage). So, if your parish priest is willing, even tho' the annulment doesn't come through in 5 months, you could still get legally married &, after the annulment comes through, have your marriage convalidated.
Note: I definitely think that, for this option to work, you need the cooperation & support of your priest, AND your FI needs to get the annulment ball rolling.
HTH & Good Luck!
Wow! Thanks so much everyone, so to clear things up, no he is not Catholic, but he still does need to get the annulment. He does have a child from his previous marriage but does not need his ex to be willing in this type of annulement. Its just hard because I myself JUST got out of the military as well and my church is back home a few states away from where my FI and I live due to being active duty. None the less I wanted to get married back HOME in my church. He JUST got back very recently and is trying to get in contact with people here to get that "ball rolling". Father Alan back home said that he would respect what a priest here saw fit for us as far as premarriage stuff etc...
But as far as not being able to start the annulement stuff started sooner, I dont know. I will be in contact with Father alan soon and see what he says! I know its not likely for the process to become completley done and even a YEAR ago when I was last home and went to church to talk to him about this he knew this then and said he would still be willing to work with us! so fingers crossed! I will keep you all updated and thanks so much! This just STINKS though! : (
Talk to your base chaplain. They can help you in the meantime. There's only so much Fr. Alan can do for you afar, you're going to need to talk to a local priest but in your case I would think Catholic Chaplain would be your best bet.
Also, check out http://www.militaryministry.org/
See if they have any people nearby you can talk to or get support from. You can maybe do some of the leg work for your FI here, send him the papers or whatever is needed and hopefully he can get the ball rolling while away.
Sorry, just have to say that it really angers me when I read about priests going against Canon Law and their bishops to appease parishioners, which then leads others to advise that they could go another route which isn't actually a licit route.
Here's the hard truth. If a previous marriage validly occured, no second marriage can occur till that person's death. It is not an issue of sacramentality. Your marriage, if valid, is sacramental if both people are baptised and you are the ones who confer the sacrament, not the priest. Getting a convalidation is supposed to be a way for the priest to help people who have left the faith and married outside of the Church to come back to the faith. It is not meant for a priest to actually advise people to marry outside of the Catholic Church and then to get a convalidation. It is called a convalidation because if you get married outside of the Catholic Church (and you're Catholic) your marriage is invalid. Its recognized by the State, but the Church considers you unmarried. If you divorced without a convalidation, and then sought to be married in the Catholic Church later, you wouldn't need to go through the annullment process because you're not really married. The convalidation makes your marriage valid, it does not make it sacramental. And if only one of you is baptised, you'll have only a natural marriage, not a sacramental one.
Wait, even I'm confused so i bet the OP is too
1) The poster who is engaged to her fiance is Catholic and wishes to be married properly in the church. Her fiance is NOT catholic, however, is divorced.
2) If he is Christian he still needs to go through the annulment process... even if not married catholic. BECAUSE the people are the givers of the Sacrament, even if it was in a courthouse the church recognizes that there is still chance for a Sacramental marriage.
3) if he or his ex-wife were not baptized into a christian faith I'm not sure of the need of annulment...
Annulments look at the time the vows were taken and before... nothing after.
Diriment Impediments (can. 1083 -1094)
Invalidity can also be caused by a defect in the consent of one or both parties like... (can. 1095-1107)
I do agree though, convalidation should never be a first option... It's much more worth it to take the sometimes harder more complicated route.
My response was in regards not to the OP, but to someone else who responded mentioning a different couple who were advised by a priest to marry in the courthouse and that he agreed simply to do a convalidation afterward. Such stories make me rather frustrated because that response from the priest was totally outside of his authority to do and was basically his way of working the system rather than respecting the beautiful teaching that marriage is indissoluble. Its that approach to working the system that give annullments the rep of being Catholic mumbo jumbo or Catholic divorce.
As for Sacramental vs natural marriage, this is my understanding.
Marriage is and has always been a covenant. Covenants are not contracts. Convenants only end when one of the parties dies. As such, Christ pointed out that from the beginning marriage was meant to be indissoluble, and that Moses merely permitted people to divorce their wives because of the hardness of their hearts. Then he taught though that when there is divorce and remarriage, what occurs is adultery. And when the disciples said that this strict teaching on marriage was far to hard, all He basically said "Yep, it is. But let those who can accept it, accept it." (not an actual quote from scripture by the gist of the pasage.)
As such, when a person is divorced, whether they had a sacramental marriage or just a natural marriage, it is simply the breaking of the marriage contract that the State had them sign. But the covenant still exists and thus that person is still bond to their spouse regardless of divorce.
The annullment process exists in recognition that not all attempted marriages actually occur. This can be because the couple is not free to give matrimonial consent (because they are already married, made vows of perpetual virginity, are attempting to marry a relative of too close of relation, they were a Catholic who attempted marriage outside of the Catholic Church) or because they did not give consent freely (someone had a gun to their back, fear was the primary motivator, the other person had grossly deceived them) or they did not consent to be married (refusal to have any children, refusal to fidelty, or approaching it with an attitude of if this fails, we'll just divorce and I'll find someone else).
The nature of sacramental marriage is simply that when two baptised people have validly been married, their marriage is sacramental by its nature. It confers grace on the spouses to aid them in living out their vocation as husband and wife. Every time they renew their vows through the marital embrace, they are engaging in a sacramental action. So the difference is only in whether or not there are sacramental graces at work in your marriage or not.
Since the Church does recognize the validity of marriages among non-Christians, I believe regardless that all previous marriages must be investigated by the marriage tribunal -- unless its something simple like a Catholic marrying outside of the Catholic Church. Without a convalidation that marriage is autmatically invalid. If the Catholic did get a convalidation, then that marriage again would have to go through the marriage tribunal.
Its a sad reality when the Church grants so many annullments because that means that a lot of marriages aren't being validly entered. Either that or its corruption in the marriage tribunals, which then means a lot of second marriages are being invalidly entered.
Its a harsh teaching, but it is a beautiful teaching. The beauty is knowing that when you are marrying the person you stand before, it is totally for life and completely exclusive. Such a commitment is such a radical act of love, the gift of receiving someone's consent to become your spouse is receiving a bit of a sacrifice of that person for that person in marrying you loses their freedom to marry another. They offer you their freedom to choose from any other person in the world and they give it to you.
I was referring to your statement "If you divorced without a convalidation, and then sought to be married in the Catholic Church later, you wouldn't need to go through the annullment process because you're not really married."
If you are baptized Christian and married, even if in a courthouse, you need to go through an annulment in the church to get married "in the church."
are you sure your FI and his ex-wife even willing to go through with the annulment? if there are kids involved, i think it may be unlikely
The ex-wife needs to be notified of the requested annulment and given the opportunity to respond to the statements of the marriage if she wishes. She does NOT have to agree or participate in the process unless she choses to.
It is a common myth that you cannot get an annulment if you had kids. The annulment process looks at the factors surrounding entering into marriage, and if it is granted, it does not mean that the marriage never happened.
If you are baptized Christian and married, even if in a courthouse, you need to go through an annulment in the church to get married "in the church."
The difference is that an annulment due to 'lack of canonical form' is a much shorter and easier process than most annulments. We were told it would likely take about 6 weeks for an answer instead of the usual 9-12 months.
I was glad as we have put all planning on hold awaiting the annulment. The church is the important part of the wedding and I don't want to do any reception planning until the church part of things is settled and scheduled.
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he has been married, so he has to have his previous wedding annuled my the church. I am so freaked out that I wont be able to get married in my church. The father at my church is very cool about this all, but I know it can be a VERY LENGTHY process to do this, and my FI has been deployed and not able to do this, and our wedding is in like less than 5 months!!!!!!!! I am so scared I wont be able to get married in my church because I have heard this process can take over a year! I would be so crushed!!!