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unprofessional photography contract?

posted 4 years ago in Photography
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    emileee       San Jose, CA

    Would you guys let a vague and unprofessional contract from your photographer keep you from signing with him/her?  For one, the contract does not even state the exact address of the wedding location (it only states the city).  It also does not state the exact time he will be starting and ending (it only says 5-6 hours of coverage).  It does not state any details about refunds, cancellations, and what should happen in case he is unable to make it to our wedding for whatever reason.  And of course, there are no details about the kind of equipment he is using and what his backup equipment is, if any.  He is asking that upon signing the contract that we pay a 50% deposit. Is this contract missing some key elements or am I just being too anal?  Even though his price is great and his work seems good, his poorly worded contract makes me wonder how professional and experienced he really is.  I'm starting to wonder if I really want to book with him after all.  Does anyone have any tips on how I should deal with this?  Should I just turn him down?  I feel bad turning him down after all this!  Is there a nice way to say "we no longer want to work with you anymore", even though we have already verbally agreed to book him?

     
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    emileee       San Jose, CA

    Also, I just realized that our last names aren't even on the contract!  Is this very fishy or am I just being paranoid? 

    Thanks in advance for all the help!

     
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    Anti-Zilla    Civil: 11-4-08 / Church: 8-8-09   Civil: Hawai'i / Church: Long Beach, CA

    do you not want to work with him at all??

    does he have references - past clients - that you can call and talk with?? would thaqt make you feel better about the contract??

    you could ask him to rewrite your contract so you feel better about it??

    or just dump him and look for someone else??

    looking at my contract, it has city and state, not the specific location; has our last names, has number of hours, not specificaly the exact time - i think that will be agreed upon after she and my DOC talk about timeline etc...

    good luck!

     
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    rebecca    September 13, 2008  

    noooo you're not being anal at all. i'm a firm believer in very detailed contracts. i would let him know what your concerns are and ask him to revise the contract to include all of the specifics (in addition to refunds/cancellations/substitutions, who owns the negatives, when you'll get the albums/digital images, etc. if he doesn't revise it to your specifications, i'd let him know that you can't work with him without a detailed contract.

    if you'd like to see the contract with my photographer, i'd be happy to let you take a look.

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    Amy       New York City

    i marked up our photographyer's contract and sent it back to him.  he had his lawyer incorporate some of my changes and we went back and forth a few times before signing.  I think it's ok to markup the contract to include what you think should be there.  If he won't re-type the contract to incorporate your changes, you can just have both parties initial the handwritten agreed changes. 

    i think if you like this photographer (and got good references/reviews), there's no reason to let a contract stand in your way.  Just mark it up to the way you want to see it.  If he balks... then maybe you should reconsider.

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    dressexpress    10/11/2008   Alexandria, Va

    I'm with Amy- With a few vendors, I have made comments and amendments, and once we have agreed upon the changes, we both initial and sign two original copies so we each have one.  If your vendor is unwilling to make the changes that you want to see there (i.e. the venue location!) I would certainly think carefully if that risk is worth it to you.

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    JCM9608    September 6, 2008  

    Let them know of your concerns and if it sounds like they don't want to budge, move on! 

     

     
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    haselwand    12/20/08   Indiana/Las Vegas

    Quick question, is he a newer photographer? That could explain his contract being so-so. I would agree with all of these ladies. Ask for a few references and some changes to the contract. Good luck!

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    suzanno    7/12/08   Richland, WA

    I think it depends on how much you trust your photographer.  Clearly, if you think you are going to have to take him to court, then you should have a pretty detailed contract.  We have had multiple portrait sessions with our photographer - family portraits, our e-photos, FI's kids' senior pictures (several of which were location rather than studio shoots)... and we have no doubt he is going to show up when and where he says he will.  Our "contract" states the details of the package we purchased (photographer plus assistant, etc), the price, and the time and date of services (2:30 to 9:30).  Our names are both on the contract.  We also have multiple pages of notes - not technically part of the contract, I guess, but copies of his notes on what group and family photos we want, at what locations, general schedule, etc (every time we meet he provides us with a copy of his notes, which he initials and dates).  So while we have a lot of detail documenting our understanding, not all of it is in formal contract form, and it develops and expands over time.

     
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    Amy       New York City

    i think regardless of if you think "you're going to take him to court", you should have detailed contracts with all your vendors.  no one goes into a relationship with a vendor thinking it's going to end badly but sometimes stuff just happens.  just like no one goes into marriage thinking divorce, it obv happens as the high divorce rate can attest to.  Even if you 200% trust your vendor, you should still get everything spelled out in a contract signed by both sides.

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    Angel    July 15, 2005   Snohomish County, Washington State

    Here's a Knot article on that:

    http://www.theknot.com/ch_article.html?Object=AI91228185302&_ref=search

    Some great vendors can be less than fabulous when it comes to the administration side of their business. (I've seen some doozie contracts), but that doesn't mean you should take the contract as is. A polite email saying what you want the contract to include should do the trick. If the photographe doesn't agree to the modifications, then there's a reason to go your seperate ways.

    Maybe...

    "Hi____,

    We we received the contract and had a question. I see there are some key pieces of information not on there, and I was wondering if you could please add them.

    List of stuff here

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    Thanks,

    bride and groom"

     

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