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Some of you may remember that I got a diamond ring that looks like an engagement ring from my SO and though he was proposing when he wasn't. I came here sad, and upset and everyone was confused at his actions and sympathetic for me.
Anyway, I thought I would update on what happened to the ring. Suggestions on the boards were to not wear it, exchange it, etc... so, what did I do??
SO and I talked again and I mentioned some of the things you lovely bees suggested. He looked at me and basically ripped me a new one. He explained how much he loved me, what the ring meant to him (a token of how much he loves me), and how ungreatful it is to be upset that it wasn't an e-ring. He went on to list all the things he does for our little family (us and the kids) and I really felt like a jerk. He also pointed out some things that I don't care to share. Suffice it to say, I felt like a jerk.
This man who loves me spent money to buy me a beautiful ring. No, it wasn't an engagment ring, but it IS a symbol of his love to me and, for now, it's enough. I wear it everyday proudly and have gotten over the "that looks like an e-ring" comments. He also pays attention to the ring... if I don't wear it, he notices it... if it needs cleaning he notices. It means A LOT to him that he did this for me.
And, no, I don't think it's his way of stalling and engagement or anything like that. For some reason, I am even MORE confident than I was before that I won't be unengaged forever. So, alls well that ends well and sometimes things aren't as bad as they seem.
I am blissfully happy and while diamonds may not be my bestfriend, they sure are pretty on my finger!
I'm glad it worked out. Without knowing you and your SO, it still seems strange to me that he got a diamond ring as opposed to any other piece of jewelry to show his love. I hope you are not just rationalizing his actions to convince yourself that you are happy. But the bottom line is, if you're truly happy and everything worked out, that's great for you both!
Wow, I didn't see your original post, but it seems like you're trying really hard to have a healthy and positive attitude about your relationship, which is great. I'm glad that you've worked it all out and have resolved to be content. 
I have to say, I don't often agree with GirlwithaRing, but this time i think she's right on. Glad you're happy!
Agree w/ Girlwitharing -
I don't think it makes you "ungrateful" to be somewhat sad it isn't an e-ring... seriously, what did he expect you to think when you opened the box?
I hope he could at least acknowledge where you were coming from, I don't think you were "in the wrong" to feel the way you felt.
Yeah I have to agree with "Girlwitharing" . We dont mean to not be happy for you but why did you come on here and say how you were in the wrong because HE said so when you had many girls who were on your side???? hmmm doesnt sound too good. But hey if your happy.....
I'm glad you're enjoying your ring, rightfully so! However, maybe he shouldn't have been so mean to you in his explanation...when I read this post, I was like "dang, ouch!"
So he ripped you a new one for the way that you felt? and then you are just OK with whole situation? well...Im glad that you are happy...
Why is he "ripping you a new one" - that's not cool under any circumstances... You were there, so you know better, but... I hope he wasn't as angry as it seems - maybe you meant he wasn't SO angry as the words make it seem. BUT you were voicing your feelings. Most guys know you stay far away from diamond rings unless you are proposing - I think any woman in your position would have reacted just the same way. I am glad things calmed down, but I wouldn't totally discount your feelings - if some guy broke out a diamond ring, I would 1000000% think he was proposing and then feel really weird when I found he wasn't. To me, I think your feelings were valid, and I hope your SO can get to a place where he respects that.
Glad you had a talk and I can see how it would be an emotional subject when he probably put a lot of time and thought into the ring. But at the same time, I hope he didn't rip you a new one, your concerns seemed valid, and just because he does a lot for your family doesnt mean he might not at times hurt your feelings and I would hope he'd take your feelings into consideration.
I'm actually pretty blown away with what I percieve to be the negative responses to my being happy. Why a group of women would jump to assume that 1.) my feelings were never validated by him, I somehow changed my mind or he was "angry" with me is beyond me. I guess we all interpret things as we do and tone is hard in type. But, bees, keep in mind that every single detail of a conversation isn't spelled out in a post. Sometimes I think bees read too much into every single detail. And, obviously, no one gets my tone or humor in this post, so I'll explain.
FWIW, I never said I was WRONG for how I felt (@MsFlipFlops). He never said I was WRONG for how I felt and no he didn't "rip me a new one" for how I felt and, no, he wasn't "angry." How I felt (and feel) WAS (and IS) VALID. The manner in which this ring was presented to me seemed like a proposal so it's only natural that ANYONE would be disappointed.
That said, there is also another person in this realtionship, with another point of view. For whatever warped guy reason he thought it was a good idea. As I said in the initial post, he realized that it could potentially be taken as something it wasn't and, yes, he used bad judgment on his part.
BUT... it didn't come from some malicious place and that was his point. And his feelings are EQUALLY VALID as mine, and it did make me feel like a jerk. This man, who works a normal job and doesn't spend a lot on himself EVER, who got me a VERY EXPENSIVE present and I cried about it for DAYS because it didn't mean what I wanted it to mean, although at the same time it did (that he is madly in love with me).
If none of you at all think that's a little bit ungreatful, or can even attempt to see WHY that might be hurtful to him, then that's you. And he was HURT. He was probably more hurt than I was, to be honest.
And if the whole engagement thing is to be about love and committing yourself to someone, then really being SO upset about a ring (how many married people don't wear rings???), to me, is a little silly. I was crying for DAYS, bees. DAYS... not a day.
For me, I feel like this was a wake-up call of sorts. It's really not about the ring, but the man. I want the man MORE than I want the ring. And if he did this great picking out a "just because" I can only imagine what the real thing will be like. And the real thing will come. This I'm sure.
I think it was the way you wrote it, but please don't attack us if the majority reads what was written.
Furthermore, if what you wrote IS true (him getting upset) it's unacceptable and the fellow bee's agree based on the previous posts.
Being happy with your man is great but perhaps you should either tone down the writing or he shouldn't express himself as rudely as it's written. I understand also that a ring doesn't make a relationship!
@beekiss: I'm not sure what I said that was "attacking," but, again, people will interpret how they choose. If I offended anyone or if anyone felt "attacked" then I am deeply apologetic.
"Why a group of women would jump to assume that 1.) my feelings were never validated by him, I somehow changed my mind or he was "angry" with me is beyond me. I guess we all interpret things as we do and tone is hard in type."
I think we all want you to be happy and make sure everything is great :)
@beekiss: I'm not going to go back and forth with you. As I said, if anyone feels attacked by my post then I apologized. Yeesh! (And I did see your post before you edited it.)
CurlyDreamer - I've noticed that there's a lot of girl power on the boards, which is great!
The one tricky thing is that when bees see a fellow hive member being treated with what they perceive as disrespect by a man, they get very concerned. I've seen a few threads where a guy got upset during a discussion and raised his voice, and readers commented that they felt he was out of line. I hope that's not out of line, b/c I've definitely gotten worked up during intense "discussions". :-)
In any case, I think mostly people were concerned that you might be being treated with less than the respect you deserve! (Although of course, it sounds like that wasn't the case at all.) I think it comes out a desire to make sure you and all of our fellow bees get the kind of love and respect they deserve in a relationship!
ps I am sooo glad to hear things worked out! I think your SO was trying to do something nice... he just wasn't really aware of the deeper meaning behind diamond rings. :-) I'm glad you guys worked through it together, and I'm rooting for you both!!
ummm...I think we're confused by the "ripped me a new one" comment. If someone tells me that I picture a man yelling at a woman with a lot of swear words and particularly telling her she's an ungrateful b*tch. Based on the sentence after that perhaps what really happened was you explained you were disappointed and he explained how hurt he was that you were disappointed by the fact that he was expressing how much he loved you by buying what he thought was an amazing present. I can understand his being hurt. Hopefully he also understood where you were coming from thinking it was an ering and how his explanation fixed everything. It sounds like in the end you have really good communication going - even if it was a rough thing to get through he meant only the best, you were able to figure out he meant that, and all ended happily.
@mrbee: Speaking for myself, I think it does sound like she was not being treated with respect. Even if his feelings were hurt, "ripping her a new one" and making her feel like a jerk is not respectful. I read her post feeling so bad about how the whole thing went down (no matter who hurt who) and was very surprised to get to the end where she said she was blissfully happy.
@curlydreamer- I am so glad this ended up working out for the best for you. I remember reading your original post and know that I would have been really hurt too. It seems like he was really trying to do something really nice and thoughtfull (even though it wasn't well thought through).
@jmc - I guess I can relate to the OP: I often feel like I'm being ripped into, and then end up feeling like a jerk when I realize the full context of a situation. Then again, I'm probably overly sensitive to emotional input. :-)
I think in the end, it's up to each of us to determine if we're being treated with respect. Sanity checks from others outside the relationship definitely help, but ultimately the final call can only be made by the involved parties.
If a strong woman says that she was treated with respect, then I tend to defer to her! :-)
He looked at me and basically ripped me a new one. He explained how much he loved me, what the ring meant to him (a token of how much he loves me), and how ungreatful it is to be upset that it wasn't an e-ring. He went on to list all the things he does for our little family (us and the kids) and I really felt like a jerk. He also pointed out some things that I don't care to share. Suffice it to say, I felt like a jerk.
Please don't take this as a criticism or attack, because it's not! Perhaps I'm not understanding what transpired correctly. My worry about the above is that, to me, it looks like he "explained to you that you were being ungrateful" when you told him how you felt, then talked about all the good things he does and, possibly, pointed out some less flattering things about your relationship (I'm assuming that's what you don't want to share?) The end result, you said, is that you felt like a jerk.
I just hope that somewhere in there was an acknowledgement of how he made you feel and an understanding on his part of why you might have felt that way. You are right that posts don't tell the whole story! I hope there is more to the story than him telling you that you are ungrateful and you feeling badly about it, that's all!
ZOMG. This thread is getting out of control what with all the eggshell-walking and insinuating and passive aggressive calling-out (on both sides!)
At the end of the day, I think "he ripped me a new one" sounds bad. It does, it sounds very bad. It sounds like there was yelling and maybe a fight. I've had fights with my SO, we all have. Bees are protective of their own, especially when language like "ripped me a new one" (your words, not ours) is used. We aren't being judgy, or jealous, or trying to bring down your happiness. We are concerned.
That being said, all of us have had fight with our SO's. All of us have overreacted in some way, or maybe not been able to see the forest for the trees (which I think is what the OP is saying here). She got her FI's point. She came around. That's not so bad. As long as she feels like she was validated, and at the end of the day she is able to appreciate the gift for what it is (a lovely, thoughtful, nice gift), then more power to her!
The fact that they got into a fight doesn't necessarily mean that there is anything more malicious lurking under the surface here. Likewise, the fact that you have a whole THREAD of women worried about the way you phrased your original post doesn't mean we are trying to "bring down your happiness".
Let's all take a chill pill and have a glass of wine shall we?
Okay, all the political back-and-forth aside, I was wondering what ever happened with this after reading your first post, and I'm so glad to hear that it worked out well. I know sometimes we (I) can get focused on something that we want (engagement) and it can get really, really big. Sometimes its good to be able to take a step back and remember what it really is that we want, which isn't an engagement, or a ring, or even a wedding, but a life with someone we love. Sounds like you have that and you both have a better understanding of what the other wants and needs after your discussion. It's good to get everything out on the table and keep the communication flowing. Even if it can get a little intense from time to time.
On a sort of side note, I wonder what he will do when you guys do get engaged! Do you think he'll buy a second diamond, or do you think this will eventually 'become' your engagement ring? That's kind of a sweet thought!
Not to obsess on the ring thing, ha! I really am just curious as to how that would play out.
CurlyDreamer - I just read your original post and this one - and honestly, you seem really ok with where the relationship is right now and with him not being sure about getting married. IT seems like you were mostly upset at the thoughtlessness of the gift that was supposed to be thoughtful! We weren't part of the discussion so if you feel good and happy, that is great!! don't get too upset about what people are saying here - they are just worried and mean well, and not being there, its often hard to know from just a post what is going on....
I'm glad that it worked out for you and you are happy where you are now. I agree that it was sort of a strange gift for him to give as a ring (couldn't he have bought any other precious stone instead?) but guys are sort of clueless about how things come across to us. I am just happy that you are happy!
I am glad you are happy now and that things seem to be working out between you two! Like the other ladies are saying, we are only concerned. This type of male clueless-ness can often be a red-flag for us. I know it has for me! That being said, only you can really know what is going on between the two of you! Best wishes!
curly - the "negative" responses came from how your worded your post, but i'm sure it's just because it's online... it's hard to decipher sometimes, you know? if you're happy, i bet the hive is happy for you! i see this as though your so is clueless as to why giving a diamond ring that is not an e-ring as a no-no, it means that future gifts will probably all be blingy! hehe.
It was a misunderstanding.. "ripped a new one" sounds fairly demeaning and I think most of us agreed with your first post. It's odd to give a woman a ring that looks like an e-ring but isn't- I remember your post and his actions perplexed me (plus, I couldn't imagine how that would make me feel). If you're happy, that's all that matters :)
I'm just not following why a guy would buy you a diamond ring, share a home with you and kids.. but be offended when you thought it was an e-ring to be married. .... but to each her own.
I'm glad things worked out for you and your guy CD! I also agree though, that buying a girl a ring for a gift, esp when you're living together, is a dicey situation and one that's hard to explain if it is a diamond or at all appears sort of "engag-ey" looking.
I think everyone just really got my tone wrong and in the future I'm going to be super cautious with how I say things so they're not misunderstood.
1.) We did not argue. There was NO yelling. My "ripped me a new one" was how I felt because I did feel like a jerk. When he explained how my actions made him feel I felt bad I felt like a jerk.
2.) He had already validated my feelings. He did the very moment he knew I was upset. He explained his thought process and reasoning the day he gave it to me (which I think I said in my inital post). We talked about it again the next day as well (after I posted) and the next day... and the next day... lol. I never said he was upset with me for being dissapointed it wasn't an e-ring. He KNEW that was a potential outcome of that present and he owed it and took responsibility for that part of it. However, after DAYS of my crying and moping (and I literally cried for DAYS, bees!!!) he felt like it was overboard, and it hurt him. AND he actually offered to return the ring, but *I* declined. My feelings were/are valid and his feelings are EQUALLY valid.
He explained the way he felt, validated my feelings, but that wasn't enough for me. I cried for DAYS and, at that point, he already said why he chose that present, that he realized how I felt and so on. At that point, what else could he do? Also, if I'd made a mistake (even if I should have known my actions could have caused it) and I tried to fix it and explain my thought process, and he still kept harping on it, I imagine that I would be pretty hurt too. What more can you say after I'm sorry? And, his intentions with the ring were good... to buy me something expensive that would make me happy, and something I would like.
3.) No one will ever know why he made the choice to get the ring other than that "he wanted to buy it for me" and he's a guy and they do dumb things. He won't be the first guy or the last guy to buy their GF a ring when he doesn't intend to propose (at that time). And, no, none of us bees (or women in general) will ever understand it. One of my BFFs says she feels like subconciously he wants to get an e-ring and that was like his first step. I'm not rationalizing it that way. I'm just accepting the fact that guys do dumb things. It seemed like a good idea at the time; it wasn't. Life goes on.
4.) No, this will not turn into my e-ring. It is a ring with a specific feeling and sentiment attached to it.
5.) I don't have any issues with the fact that we live together and are not engaged at this point. If anyone does, that's their issue -- not mine. My issue was purely the confusion that it caused and the let down that, no, that was not the moment. That said, the events have only renewed my faith in our relationship and how we feel about each other.
6.) I am not deluding myself into thinking I'm happy. I was happy and content with my relationship (and where it is for the time being) BEFORE the faux proposal so why would I be any less happy now? I didn't return the ring because it's pretty and it was given to me by someone who loves me to bits. Sure, I could hold on to the disappointment that it's not THE ring, but how does that serve me? How does that serve my relationship? Is that going to make him propose any faster? No, it's not. And it's pretty and sparkly.
Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions.
I think we can all agree that if you are happy, we are happy!
But my opinion remains that it's a strange gift. If you took these posts to any guy I know, especially ones in a relationship that is not yet an engagement, they would give me the side eye and say "dude, if you want to get diamonds, get EARRINGS". We can understand where you were coming from in being upset initially FAR EASIER than understanding where your bf was coming from with the diamond ring.
Curlydreamer..I am so glad that you are happy and are moving forward from this. I don't think you need to justify the situation to us...we just want the best for you! Good Luck with everything!! :)
All that matters is how you feel about it!! Quite frankly it's rude for outsiders to say things like "That looks like an engagement ring" but if you wear it on your left ring finger people will think you are engaged.
I'm really glad you guys were able to talk and figure out what the ring meant. The best thing is that in the end you both are happy! And wear your ring with pride, you have something to show the world that your man LOVES you and is crazy about you! YAY!!!!!! :)
So so happy for you!!!
“Is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.” -Mark Twain
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