Hey guys - this will be the new thread for all of you helping me through this grieving and healing process. For those of you who want to go back to our previous discussion, you can view it here: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/update-the-wedding-and-relationship-is-off
For those who are just getting on board, I'll post the original story again:
Hey guys--
It's taken me a month and a half to have the strength to even visit this site. I tried averting my eyes from all the wedding talk (a little difficult). But i felt it was necessary and perhaps could bring positive messages to let you know what happened to my former fiance and me.
If you remember my post when we got engaged, he drove to surprise me as we were long distance--I was over the moon. I was with him a little over 2 years. My family loved him. He was wonderful. We were wonderful, and both so happy. We had our share of struggles being long distance and fights here and there, but we always loved eacho ther and had an amazing time together. He always told people, I knew I'd marry her since the day I met her.
At the end of August he went on a camping trip with his buddies. When he got back, something was different. This is the part I'll never know what happened. He was distant on the phone, distant when I went to visit him in person. I cried asking if something was wrong repeatedly, but he assured me it was just stress about starting grad school soon (he's 23). So I bought up tons of surprise gifts that would get him excited for school to cheer him up. We picked up my wedding dress one weeked I was home. Four days later, I got so worried about him I called his best friend to see if we could do something to help him with his "grad school" stress. His friend told me it was seriuos and that I had to call him right away. I did. He said he needed a week break of no communication to think about everything. I fell apart. I was confused and angry. For that whole week I cried myself to sleep, as everyone around me assured me he was just stressed and was not going to do anything since we knew how crazy he was about me! He sent me a facebook msesage promising me he wasn't "stringing" me along. On the last day of the break I caved and called him, saying I'm not waiting one more day for you to do this. I want a say in this. He assured me he loved me and that we'd talk about it the next day when he saw me.
He showed up at my house the following day and dumped me in less than 10 minutes. There was no emotion on his face. None. He didn't even look the same. He said it had been the happiest years of his life but that he didn't want to be with me anymore. I remember being on the floor holding on to his feet, sobbing, begging.
My dad confronted him before he could leave the house, asking him why he had said i was the love of his life just 2 weeks earlier? Or why he didn't want to try to fix whatever he saw as a big problem in his mind? He just said, "I'm an asshole". My mom went after him and calmly asked him to lay low on Facebook to let me heal, to which he rolled his eyes. She asked him, what happened to you? He said he simply sat down and reflected on the last year of our relationship and realized I was too much pressure on him. He said I pressured him to go to grad school (he had wanted to goand got in and then changed his mind last minute, but did choose to go in the end), pressured him to propose, and pressured him to spend time with me. He also said I dont know if I want kids in life (I do), while we had talked about having kids a lot before. My mom asked him why he wouldn't have told me to work on those things rather than just saying everything was great and up and leaving? He called my mom "immature" and drove away.
I called begging for answers. He blocked my phone number. I sent an email begging to work on things. He said he didn't have the energy, and knew the problems weren't fixable. He said he put too much into the relationship and wasn't getting anything back, and didn't want to try. He said he really did mean they were the happiest years of his life, and that his feelings simply changed in the last two weeks, whatever that means. Then he also said he knew he wasn't happy for a year, as in before he proposed. The story changed a lot in his responses. It simply came down to it was my fault. Since the break up, he has gone out partying almost every night (I'm told), and has been handling it very well. He even hired an attorney to make sure we couldn't go after him for wedding expenses, apparently. Again, he was so so close to my family, and just became a different person. I'm not sure if it's an immaturity thing, or character. My grief counselor said true character comes out not in times of good but times of hardship, but maybe she's just telling me that so I feel better. Either way, I'm convinced I won't do better than him.
None of us will ever understand. It has been the hardest thing to go through. I can't get through my days yet without breaking down uncontrollably. And I'm pretty convinced I will end up alone or worse, settling, because I'll always wish it was him waiting for me at the end of the aisle. yet everyone tells me I shouldn'tw ant him back after all this, I don't know what that means either. Either way, I am pretty convinced I will always wish he'd come back, and that I'll be so empty without him. I can't imagine ever finding anyone that made me feel how he did, being that attracted to someone, laughing that much with someone, or worse, trusting someone again.
I'm so sorry I've rambled. I thought I should let you know for all the people that thought we were a sweet couple. We really were. I don't know what happened to him. He bailed, disappeared, and then was rude to my family and friends. He never even said he was sorry. He was the sweetes guy when I was with him, and I wish I coudl explain it.
I love you all, and appreciate any advice or words of wisdom you may have, but my journey to my wedding ends here today.
I'll reply here to the posts you left on the last thread.
I would have been hurt that he not only forgot that we were hanging out, but that he preferred to hang out with his friend over me. I'm not saying that I never let my FI go out with his friends or that I never have girls nights. I wouldn't say they're as often as once a week and we live together, but whenever I want to go out with my friends without him, I just tell him "hey I made plans with so-and-so on Sat for dinner, so I won't be around" and he tells me in advance, too. I would probably go on an outrageous rampage if he just decided to cancel plans with me and hang out with his friend instead and not tell me til the day before because he "forgot" - he forgot because it wasn't convenient for him to remember. And, taking the relationship out of that equation, if I made plans with friend A and forgot and made plans with friend B, I would cancel on friend B b/c my plans were with friend A first and that's only right. Therefore, he should have cancelled his plans with his friend when he remembered that he had committed to plans with his girlfriend. But he didn't - because he knew you would eventually forgive him and he could do what he wanted - which is see his friend.
I don't think you overreacted at all or were dramatic. He should WANT to see you - that's what would hurt me, that he would prefer to see his friend instead of you, that your plans were so unimportant that they were forgettable, because it was more exciting to see his friends. Honestly, it's a very selfish and also a very immature quality. One day, he'll grow out of it by necessity - all his friends will have gotten married and not have time to go party with him and then he'll feel the need to settle down. And when he makes a new, single friend, he'll be wishing to be single again. And when his friend cheats on his wife, he'll be wishing to do that, too. That's just who he is. Uncommitted, immature, selfish.
Sorry you didn't see it earlier, but at least you saw it before the wedding!
@futuremrsk18: Well, even if I did get upset...that argument happened a year ago. I couldn't believe he was saying that was one of the reasons he was dumping me, that he couldn't be with someone who would put so much "pressure" on him to hang out with me. He could have just talked to me, even if his reasons were somewhat ridiculous.
Yeah, it's possible he'll grow out of it. It's something I think about, like oh maybe he'd come back then in 5 years :/
@futuremrsk18: Uncommitted, immature, selfish
This is true. I need to remind myself of that.
I was doing so well this morning, and here I cried on my break at work:( I hate that I feel so behind in the healing process. I hate that I still am consumed with guilt, and the idea of him with someone else.
Please don't put so much pressure on yourself. You are not "behind" in the healing process! This is not a race. It takes a long time to get over a breakup, especially if you didn't see it coming. As a rule of thumb, I've heard that it often takes half the length of the relationship to completely get over an ex, or ~2 years for longer relationships. (Which isn't to say that the whole time will feel like this. The good days will be better, the bad days will be fewer, and you will have whole weeks where it feels like the cloud has lifted, but it's a gradual process.)
I'd also like to point out that the fact that this is so painful and such a long process is a testament to what a loving person you are and how committed you were. If you could brush it off and bounce back, what would that say about you? That you didn't really care that much anyway?
In all 16+ pages, I've seen a great deal to admire and not one thing you should feel bad or guilty or embarrassed about. Please stop beating yourself up so much. If this were a physical wound would you be mad at yourself for being "behind" at healing? Is this so very different?
@mrssrm: I agree I may be taking or will take a bit of time to fully heal because I truly loved him with my whole heart. Seeing how quickly he has moved on, tells me he may have never felt that way about me, not even just not at the end.
@MissMelly: Don't put pressure on yourself! It's a good thing that you are moving on, but it's okay to hurt too. You won't be over it in just a few days, and that's okay. You'll start to feel better, and then each day will feel better until you get to a "new normal," so to speak. And we're all here for you! <3
@MissMelly: He's not going to grow out of being selfish and being a blamer. That's in his nature, that's his personality. And I can't believe he brought that up as a reason why he's breaking up with you. That's a good reason for YOU to break up with HIM. I would have punched my ex in the face if he said I was pressuring him into hanging out with me - wtf? He should WANT to. I should be fun to be around! And he should have wanted to hang out with you even when his friends were around. You'll find someone who DOES have fun being with you and prefers and picks you over his friends. You deserve that.
@futuremrsk18: god that's what my best friend said. She said if she'd have known that she would have told me to break up with him
Stop obsessing over the fact that "he moved on". Let whatever girl have him because one day her eyes will be opened to the reality of what a loser he is.
A man who loves you will do everything in his power (and attempt to work against anything not in his power) to be with you every minute of the day. That kind of man is out there for you!
@MissMelly: next time you should talk to your best friend about these arguments lol :) hopefully this is helping you to keep on in your healing process! it takes time, don't beat yourself up over how long it's taking. it takes a really long time for some people (myself included).
@MissMelly: Just wanted to check in on you. *hugs* I really do see you slowly getting better and it’s so great that you are hanging out with NB (new boy) again this week. I hope that you have loads of fun.
It sounds like you have a very wise best friend who is doing the best to help you (along with us Bees and your family too I'm sure). Just wanted to say that it might be an idea to send your BF a card or even just a test message telling her how much you appreciate her advice and her support. Sometimes as the BF who is helping someone through an awful time it can be tiring and frustrating if that person who is hurting (which they are allowed to do!) can't see themselves as the person that their BF sees them as. Sometimes she probably just wants to grab you and shake some sense into you! To make you see that none of this was your fault, that you should never take him back and that he is just another girl’s problem now.
So it might be nice to just let her know how helpful she is being and to show her that you really appreciate her wisdom. She's probably going through a hard time seeing you so hurt (and wanting to hunt him down and punch him in the face).
P.S. Not saying that you aren't thanking her! I just wanted to remind you to do it because I am someone who forgets to say thank you directly to those who help me. Not because I'm not thankful but because I feel thankful and feel like I've told them when I really haven't.
@Tickles: girl you are one wise cookie. I'm reading the book, "It's called a break up because it's broken", and it talks about making sure you remind your friends, especially those go-to phone callers, of what they mean to you during the healing process. I actually just sent her a gift last week, it's NOTHING in comparison to what she, my family, all of you have done, but I agree with you --I should be thanking her as much as possible.She's a rock. She even drove 5 hours just to be with me 2 weeks after it happened, and the weekend before she had finals in grad school. That is friendship right there. So seriously thank you for pointing that out because it has to be tiring as HELL even though I know she'd do anything to make my tears go away.
And not forgetting to thank all of YOU for all of your inspiration. Again, I'm in a field where my job is pretty public, and someday I'm going to hopefully be happy and be able to share this story of the power of such wonderful strangers.
My comment keeps dropping out of this thread for some reason.
Well, even if I did get upset...that argument happened a year ago. I couldn't believe he was saying that was one of the reasons he was dumping me, that he couldn't be with someone who would put so much "pressure" on him to hang out with me. He could have just talked to me, even if his reasons were somewhat ridiculous.
Yeah, it's possible he'll grow out of it. It's something I think about, like oh maybe he'd come back then in 5 years :/
You know how absurd this sounds, right? The bolded part. One of my ex's was like this. He wanted to be in the streets with his friends more than he wanted to be with me, and I was stupid like you were and actually let myself get blamed for wanting to spend time when him. Oh, makes me mad when I remember all the time I sat around contorting myself into a pretzel so that particular ex could do whatever the hell he wanted and be a half-assed boyfriend to me. Yeah, and like you, I thought God hung the moon and sun on him and he'd have a happily ever after with some other woman. Maybe he did eventually. But I'm sure he went through a lot of pain and changes first, because he was an asshole unfit for a good relationship. And so is your Ben.
I agree I may be taking or will take a bit of time to fully heal because I truly loved him with my whole heart. Seeing how quickly he has moved on, tells me he may have never felt that way about me, not even just not at the end.
He hasn't moved on. If he had moved on, he wouldn't have been sending you the messes he sent the other week. If he'd moved on, he wouldn't have been talking to people about you in order to know what you said about him.
If he'd moved on, he wouldn't be doing hurtful things to you or talking about blocking you. You only try to hurt people that can hurt you. If he had no feelings for you, then you would be no threat to him and he would have no reason to say such hurtful things to you. Saying hurtful things to you and blocking you on the phone is how he is trying to gain his power over his own feelings. Do you understand what I am saying?
And it's childish and immature. He said he was ashamed of bullying someone? Well, He's bullying you right now. Don't you see that? It's how he operates. He is a bully, and a lot of these things you have described in this so-called relationship you had with him can be see as a bully and a victim. You have let this man bully you, and you should be mad at yourself for that.
If one of your friends told you all this stuff about her ex-fiance (that you have said about this Ben), what would you advise your friend to do, MissMelly?
@MissMelly: I am so happy that you are getting so much support from your friends and family and this board full of wonderful bees for you to lean on.
@honeybee1999: I'm often asked that question, of what would I tell a friend, and it's so difficult for me to see it objectively because I still remember all the good, sweet, hilarious things he did for me. I would probably tell them they can do better, but I also know that's something people say at the same time so that you feel better, and I don't feel like anyone's perfect? Of course he's been a complete asshole in the past 2 months, no doubt about that, and he did some less than great things during the relationship, but so did I. I guess that's what I think about...but maybe that's his manipulation getting to me.
The one piece I am trying so, so hard to let go of, is why we got engaged. I think if we hadn't done that, or I hadn't put pressure on him to propose, and that we had just kept dating until he was ready later on, that he would still be here. If it was just a case of cold feet and he freaked out, that could mean he's really not a bad guy but just wasn't ready to be married. I don't know. This is the one piece I'm trying really hard to let go of. Like oh, some other girl will date him and just they'll wait until they are both ready to be married eventually.
@MissMelly: He still acted like a jackass. Maybe he won't get cold feet in the next relationship but it won't change his character deficiencies.
@MissMelly: I'm so sorry to hear you're still struggling, I wish I could give you a hug. Of course, it's perfectly normal what you're going through. You did not have to face a run-of-the-mill break up. He was not just your boyfriend. He was the man you thought you were going to spend the rest of your life with. You made a committment to marry the man, so it's a lot more painful and taking longer to get over than the usual break up. (Honestly, I've been divorced and I don't think it hurt me as much as what your ex-FI did to you.) You were engaged and ending an engagement ranks right up there with ending a marriage, not just ending a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. You were planning a wedding. That is a huge deal.
You're doing so amazingly well in your healing process. We can all see it, even if you can't. You're a very strong person. Hang in there!
@MissMelly: Lets just say that you waited and you got married to him when he was ready like your mind keeps playing it out. Then lets say you became pregnant on accident... then what? Would his true side show then and leave you then?
His true colors were going to show at some point in time and I do feel bad that he toyed with you for so long but you finally saw who he really is and dodged a bullet by not marrying him.
I know guys that tell girls what they want to hear in fact I was good friends with one. I met him at college through my brother. He said all the right things and was really charming but I was already in a commited relationship and so was he, granted he didn't seem to care he was in one. He pressured more and more for me to get sexual with him and other stuff but when I wouldn't cave into his demands I saw who he really was, a liar and a cheater. I watched him pull all the moves on other girls. He would talk about marriage and everything and when he got bored with them he continued the relationship just long enough to start a new one and threw the old one to the side. The girls are always blind sided by it, but I know that is just what he does.
It will continue to get easier for you. You will feel weak some days but overall you will feel stronger as time goes on. The guy you knew earlier in your relationship was a fraud. He told you what you wanted to hear. He is not worth being upset over. I know you mentioned before how special your ex made you feel but trust me, when you find the right guy you will realize what love can really feel like emotionally. One day you will find your love and it will be amazing.
@honeybee1999: If one of your friends told you all this stuff about her ex-fiance (that you have said about this Ben), what would you advise your friend to do, MissMelly?
I think perhaps what I would say, is that it sounds like there were either over the top highest highs or very low lows. That's what I am seeing. That when things were good, they were more than good. But when I got emotional or upset, dramatic, whatever, he might have gotten manipulative and maybe I didn't see it. I don't deny that I made mistakes in the relationship, absolutely. But, I still would never just drop someone, because every relationship has highs and lows. To me, it's like he didn't really love me the way he said he did, regardless of what cold feet he got or whatever issues he had.
For his birthday this year, I was trying to save money for our honeymoon since I was paying for it myself, and he said he didn't know what he wanted for his birthday, so I suggested we spend the day together and the beach and that I buy us lunch and get us chair massages together or something, explaining it was a very small gift but that I just wanted to spend time with him. On my birthday, I said all I wanted was to spend the whole day with him and didn't need a gift --he ended up buying mea lot of things. Well, when his birthday came around, he was upset that he got me a lot of stuff and I didn't get him much since I made more money. I felt terrible because I was so uptight about money, but I just wanted to save for our future.
@MissMelly: Life is full of pressure and stress and expectations from people you're in a relationship with or your family, etc. It's not YOUR fault he can't handle life properly. Say for arguments sake that you really did pressure him into getting engaged and he wasn't ready, the right response was to tell you that he just wasn't ready to get married anytime soon - you had a 2 year engagement, he could have said he would like to make it a 3 year engagement. It was NEVER, EVER acceptable for him to get up and walk out on you and abandon you and leave you behind and then treat you the way that he did - you didn't CHEAT on him, you told him you wanted to MARRY him! The truth is that he did what he wanted to do when things were good and then realized he didn't want to get married right now because he wants to be single and go out and party with his friends and make out with random girls. I honestly think that he was going to break up with you, engaged or not. He's just trying to put the blame on you so he can feel better about what he did. Don't buy into it.
@MissMelly: WHAT?! Are you KIDDING me?! Your idea for the birthday is so thoughtful and sweet and you guys are planning for your future but he gets upset that you make more money than him and didn't spend it all on him instead of your future honeymoon? MissMelly, he was not planning on your future ever - he may have proposed because he thought it was what he was supposed to do - but he never intended on having a future with you and his actions say all of that. He was checked out of the relationship a while ago. You both agreed on doing something simple and small and saving to pay for the honeymoon, just because he did more, doesn't mean you need to, too. Last year, my FI and I decided not to do anniversary gifts because we were saving up for our move and he ended up buying me a Michael Kors watch that I wanted for our anniversary. I felt so bad at first, but then decided that one day I'll make it up and it doesn't have to be immediately. You were going to pay for a fucking vacation for him! Eventually, you were going to make it up, financially. You can add materialistic to the list. And once again, selfish.
@futuremrsk18: Yeah, I just wonder when he checked out:/ And why. He had only proposed 4 months before that. When he dumped me, he said "I did think you were the love of my life until last month. I simply changed my mind"
But the way he acted so cold, it was exactly like he had been gone for a long time. It makes me feel like he was lying to me about how he felt.
@MissMelly: You didn't completely answer the question though. You started to take yourself out of the situation, and then started listing everything you think went wrong with you and him. So let's say your best friend, the one who's been helping you through this, is the one who needs help from you. Everything he did to you, her ex did to her. What would you tell her? How do you think she would best move on?
ETA: The only reason I'm asking, and why anyone else would ask is because taking yourself out of it, hard as it is, will help you see things you might not have noticed before.
@shadowblind: I'd tell her he never really loved her the way he said he did, because normal good people don't up and walk out and then act so cruel.
@MissMelly: I know it's still hard to process, because you're still missing the facade, but what you just posted is the simple truth. And you need to keep coming back to that.
You will be just fine. You're stronger and more capable than you know. You didn't pressure him, you weren't stressful, you didn't earn more money to spite him, and even if he had a problem, he swas stringing you along when he knew he didn't want to be a part of this relationship.
One of my favorite shows is Intervention, and one of the interventionists said to an episode subject, "No one should be allowed to live in your head for free." Kick his crap to the mental curb, no matter how long it takes. Hugs and love, you are still doing so great!
@shadowblind: It's almost like he stayed with me because it was easy....we only saw each other 3 times a month. He got the fun and sex out of it, so it was worth it to him. Makes me sick to my stomach.
@MissMelly: It should make you sick, it's deplorable. Because like you said, normal good people don't up and walk out. Don't focus on it, but be sick about it, it's natural. He may have gotten the "fun and sex" near the end, but really you lucked out because you're not legally tied to someone who's going to treat you so crappily.
@MissMelly: It's almost like he stayed with me because it was easy....we only saw each other 3 times a month. He got the fun and sex out of it, so it was worth it to him. Makes me sick to my stomach.
What you wrote above hit the nail on the head.
My ex used me for sex and absolutely did not care about me in any way. He just went along with the "fake relationship" in order to keep getting sex. Unfortunately, that's exactly what your ex-fiance did to you, and you should be sick over it.
You should also be sick about what type of person he really is (lying, manipulative, childish) and that should negate everything that you ever thought was "good" about him.
When he dumped me, he swore he didn't know he wanted to end the relationship until that morning. He said he did love me when he was still sleeping with me. That he truly did think I was "the love of his life" until the last month we were together. The weirdest part is, I think he thinks* that, but was somehow letting go inside...that, or he is just an incredibly good liar, or has some deeper mental health issues.
I'd like to say he just simply fell out of love (which would still be odd since that happened somehow in 2 weeks or he was lying for a while), and then didn't know how to handle the situation at the end. That would be one thing, even while that would be incredibly horrible to not at least for the sake of the other party involved TALK to them and TRY to work out whatever it is. But, looking past that, the way* he did it and the way he tried to justify it and talked to me, my parents--tells me it was something more of his character than just a mistake. It's hard for my brain to think he could be this bad guy I never saw at ALL, but the way it all played out in the end, I just don't know anyone who would do that to someone, let alone someone he loved at least very much at one point.
I know you are all also curious about my "hang outs"--I have one tonight (a second date, same guy) so I shall keep you posted on that. It's my first time going out with a guy on a second date other than my ex...so I feel very much out of my element but I'm going to try to have a good time!
It doesn't seem to me that you're ready to date right now. I would focus on yourself, spend time with your friends, and heal 100% before you start dating.
@MissMelly: Try reading " It's called a breakup becuase it's broken"
AMAZING BOOK!
@MissMelly: This is the first time I've read your story, and I will start with this: I am so, so sorry!!
It's like you've been hurt in two large ways - blindsided, and then it's like the guy you knew changed overnight.
Your description of your ex reminds me of my ex in many ways. He blamed everything on me, would not give a satisfactory explanation, and was completely immature when it counted.
When you write that you don't think you'll find anyone quite like him, I definitely understand what you feel (I felt this way about my ex - he was my first love and he was in my life for 5 years). Try to keep in mind though (and this will take some time) that right now you only are focusing on the good you saw in him. Overall he wasn't that great of a person. When the going got tough, he left and was very rude about it. That's not a very manly thing to do. Where is his integrity? Obviously you're not ready to start thinking about being with someone else... but there are men out there that do have integrity. Keep that in mind. A great catch is someone who has integrity along with all the other desirable traits. Your ex was seriously lacking in many things it appears. Maturity being another trait.
I am not going to go on about how it will get better or anything like that, but I will say that I was able to find something close to peace by living alone for a year. It was very tough, but I vowed not to let anyone else in until I was ready. And I didn't. I didn't think I would ever find another man attractive... but I did. I didn't settle. I didn't rush. I went on one date in that year, to push myself out of my comfort zone, and I wasn't ready. Several months later I did find the guy I want to be with... but it happened on my own timeline.
It is hard to trust. I sometimes catch myself falling back into the old fears that I had in my last relationship even though my current relationship is totally different. I sometimes think about my ex and hope he is having a miserable life. The hurt won't ever completely disappear, but that is ok. You don't have to rush into anything. He left a mark on you, but you can and will rebuild.
@UberClaire: That's why I'm not calling it dating. Just hanging out in a group of friends with some single guys. I am NOT ready to be doing anything remotely romantic! But I agree, I am not in a frame of mind yet where I'm ready for that.
@HisAngel: I just got that one:)
@MissMelly: I agree with Uberclaire, I don't think dating is what you need right now.
Personaly (and this is just me) I think you need a great adventure. Go on one of those Contitki tours in Paris, Italy, somewhere amazing. Throw yourself into it. You don't need to date you need an adventure!!
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