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UPDATE to "Strippers at my Man's Bachelor Party..." (long)

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    Charbirdie    January 1, 1992  

    Yesterday I wrote a post about how I was upset and uncomfortable about my finance getting a lap dance Party...http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/strippers-at-my-mans-bachelor-party. A short recap, I could not stop thinking about a naked girl being on top of him and I was sorta "obsessing" about it. My fiance then wrote an extremely sweet note and I had started to feel A LOT BETTER!

    Well, around 4pm yesterday it had been revealed that he didn't have 1 lap dance but 6. It was also revealed that he was brought on stage, and whipped several times. It was like shock all over again. I felt really hurt, again, got really upset, again and really uncomfortable, again. I left work early because I couldn't even focus on work! Well Fiance came home and we had a long talk about it. I told him that I am going to do my best to get over it, but he needs to be patient with me because it won't just happened over night. Then right before we are going to bed, Fiance and I are putting on our pajamas, and fiance has HUGE BLACK AND BLUE marks all over his ass. I said, to FI "what in the world happened to you?!?" He said ugh, it was paintball. I said no way, those marks are huge, painteball bruises are more concentrated. I said they have to be from the stripe club and he agreed. I then said, "They must have pulled down your pants to bruise you that badly, and they said they did." So now, I have this permanent image of my future husband whom I am marrying in 2 WEEKS on all fours, with his pants down getting whipped by strippers.

    I could DEAL with the lap dances, it sucked to hear about those but I was getting over it. I'm sorry but I really feel like this crossed a line! I was crying something aweful and very upset. I asked him, how would you feel if I lifted up my shirt or pulled down my pants at a strip club and had strippers "whip" me so hard that I have marks on my body. He said, "I would be furious." Bees, I really don't know what to do. I spendt about an hour crying, then he spendt an hour crying. He said he wished he could take it all back...I know he regrets it but the point of the matter is what done is done. I need to recognize whether or not I CAN or CANNOT get over it. I feel like my heart broke a little last night, I just don't know what to do. I know I can be over sensitive but...I just dont know...Fiance said he's willing to do anything. I told him we may need to talk to a counselor or something, I don't know. We're keeping all options open at this point.

     

     
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    laureldavid74    August 7, 2011  

    I am so sorry this happened to you.  I know I would leave him.  But, I also know that a lot of girls forgive their guy.   He has ruined your wedding and that is sad.   I actually consider this worse than cheating because it comes at a time when he is supposed to be showing his commitment to you, and because I can't imagine how embarrassed and foolish I would feel at the altar, as his friends remember the night.   What could be they thinking as you say your vows?  He made a fool of both of you.

    I don't doubt that he loves you.  He asked you to marry him.  But, this is such a selfish and disrespectful way to act.  It just seems like a bad sign.  Men who beat their wives or cheat on them often love them.  That doesn't make them good husbands.

      I know that there will be people who come here and say that I am not being supportive.  I am not at all a mean person, but I just can't see how whitewashing this type of behavior helps women make the right decision.

    Again, I am so, so sorry.

     
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    Dollygold    June 23, 2012  

    @laureldavid74: Wow. Your respone is way out of line. Not to mention totally impractical. I hope you and your husband are perfect if something like this is really enough to make you jump ship on a marriage.

    @Charbirdie: First of all, your wedding is NOT ruined. And getting out of control at a strip club does not put him on equal ground with men who beat their wives. He effed up, yes. You are upset, yes. He knows you are upset and clearly feels badly so I say let him feel badly. I think it's unfair to continue to throw this in his face, but a cold shoulder and some time in the doghouse will probably suffice. But if you plan to marry this man you're going to have to let it go eventually - preferably before your wedding.

     
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    cherryshake    September 17, 2010   London

    @Dollygold: why should laureldavid not voice her opinion on the matter? The Op asked for personal opinions about the situation, and this happens to be hers. I don't think it's about perfection, but I have to say I agree that I would not find this behaviour acceptable, and would probably call off the wedding (at the very least). It is a major breach of trust - when I think of stag nights in strip clubs I envisage dancing girls, possibly private dances, but certainly not my FI on his knees getting spanked (hard enough to leave considerable bruising) on his naked behind. Whether it's humiliating to her or him or both, she trusted him to act in a way that would not be upsetting to her, and respect certain boundaries, and by the sounds of it he really let her down in this way. It's good that he has shown remorse now, but I think she should really think twice about getting hitched to a guy who has shown so little consideration for her feelings. Just to tell her to 'suck it up' punish him and then get over it pronto by letting go is ridiculous and surely a recipe for permanent unhappiness.

     
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    KitKatNYC    June 30, 2012  

    You must be really upset, and it sucks to have all this extra stress right before your wedding.  But I think maybe you should consider that at bachelor parties, a lot of guys think it is a time to get wild and crazy and have fun - and those guys may not have been your FI. His friends probably paid a lot of money to have him on stage for their own amusement.  And it was probably really embarassing and crazy for your FI, not a moment of shared intimacy with another lady.

     
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    sassy411    November 27, 2010   SoCal

    First of all, the OP does not "have" to marry this guy in 2 weeks.  Postponing or calling off a wedding is a huge pia & will cost money, but it's much better than a divorce.

     

    I think counseling is absolutely essential as well.

     

    I'd say, take the wedding pressure off first, then deal with the relationship issues.

     
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    Dollygold    June 23, 2012  

    @KitKatNYC: Exactly. I highly doubt there was anything sensual about having this done in front of a bunch of laughing friends. Embarassing, yes. Did his guy friends think it was hilarious? Absolutely. But I can guarantee you it was in now way some sort of "special moment" between him and a stripper. He has bruises for goodness sake! Ouch! Honestly, I almost feel bad for him.

     
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    Baileyh    July 24, 2010   Vancouver

    Firstly, your wedding is not ruined!!!!! AND this isnt worse then cheating. Im pretty sure you would be more upset to find out he SLEPT with the girl on stage. Although i am sure laureldavid74 was just trying to be constructive i think she just added more fuel to a fire that needs to calm down a bit.

    Firstly....you need to calm down. You are so upset, with every single freakin right TO BE!! I would be as well. I dont know about you but when i get upset im almost like a tornadoe and it builds and builds and then i start thinkgina dn questioning and it just snow balls and gets out of control. I think even putting this on weddingbee and getting it out there was one way of taking this down a notch.

    You are really upset, and its fair. but you FI seems really upset about it to. I deffinitly think you guys should seek some pre-marital counselling before you proceed with the wedding. What bothers me the most is that he told you about one lap dance, YOU found out about the SIX and then YOU found out about the bruises..he just never really came "clean" about everything that happened until you found out. Is there anything else?

     

    As other PPs said here, BPs get out of control and your FI didnt kiss or sleep with anyone but he obviously did something that made you upset (and im sure he KNEW it would make you upset) I would go talk to someone ASAP and get another perspective on it.

     
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    qui40067    July 3, 2011  

    I'm so sorry you're going through this; I cannot even imagine *hugs*

    I think counseling would be good for several reasons but I also think that whoever was present at that bachelor party needs to be put in their freaking place. Especially if they are groomsmen who are going to stand up there with you and support you two as a couple, because they did the EXACT opposite that night.

    Now, I'm not condoning what your fiance let happen and I believe he should own up to the fact that he did not say no and respect the boundaries in the relationship. However, I find it very unlikely that it was his decision to have this happen and it was probably the consequence of alcohol, other men who think bachelor parties are an excuse to do anything, and peer pressure. But - he still should have said no, recognized the situation was out of hand, and acted accordingly. Counseling could help him be able to do this and also to emphasize that you two are getting married, you are part of a unit, and what he does no longer effects only him.

    The other problem is that he did not come clean with everything that happened initially. The lying is just as heartbreaking as everything else in this situation and that needs to be addressed as well.

    I'm so sorry this is happening so close to your wedding :( Honestly, I don't think it's a dealbreaker but it should serve as a HUGE wake up call to your FI on how to behave like a committed man and how to say no to his friends.

     
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    Dollygold    June 23, 2012  

    @cherryshake: I am truly shocked that someone would be willing to tell someone else that they think this is worth throwing their relationship away over/cancelling a wedding for. It's an uncomfortable situation, but certainly not a deal breaker.

    I think that if something like this can create THAT big of an impact on what is supposed to be a lifelong partnership you might want to re-think what marriage means to you. There will be ups and downs throughout a marriage, and in my opinion this is a rather minor "down' in the whole big scheme of things.

     
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    meliss    May 31, 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    @Dollygold: Everyone's boundaries and dealbreakers are different. I would never tell anyone to break off their relationship, and I really hope the OP and her fiancee can work things out, but the issue of strippers are not that trivial to everyone. I have told my husband five years ago on our first date that it was an absolute deal breaker for me and if he was into that kind of stuff I'm the wrong girl for him. If he went back on that now and went to a strip club I would leave him. I don't need to re-think my idea of marriage because of that. Marriage is supposed to be based on mutual respect and that's something I would never compromise.

     
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    bakerella    September 11, 2010   Toronto, ON

    Counseling sounds like a really good start. It's up to you to decide what to do next. It sounds like your FI is really comitted to making this up to you and to doing whatever it takes to prove he's sorry and that he regrets his actions. ((hugs))

     
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    meliss    May 31, 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    @Charbirdie: I hope you guys have had a chance to talk things out in the past week and you're feeling better. This is supposed to a very happy time in your life so granted that you two are still going through with it, please don't let this cast a shadow over things for you. I wish you two the best of luck.

     
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    jayce    December 10, 2010  

    I agree with the other bees, this situation needs to be put into perspective. You have every right to feel hurt, betrayed and disrespected. He was not honest with you, and that is a problem. I do think both of you would benefit from a couple of counseling sessions before getting hitched.

    But that does NOT mean the wedding or the relationship is "ruined." Your FI is clearly very sorry for hurting you and willing to work on fixing this. This is not a worst case scenario or a lost cause. And it didn't sound like you thought so either, so please ingore @laureldavid74:'s so-called advice. Take care of yourself and talk to FI again when you feel ready for it.

     
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    missbbc      

    Just wanted to add that at least you finance told you the truth.  The wasn't trying to hide anything so he deserves some credit.  I would be very upset though too :(

     
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    luckyprincess       New Jersey

    I have been on numerous threads on here saying that I have no problem with my guy going to a strip club or a bachelors party at a strip club at all.  And I don't, still. 

    Now, having said that, this is over my personal line.  I do know (wondering if your guy might be like this too) that my guy would be angry, embarrased and mortified if this happened to him and the ONLY way they would be able to get him up there was if he were falling over drunk.  He isn't in to the whole humiliation thing, especially when its done for the other guys' entertainment. 

    I don't know you two but I would be able to asses if my bf didn't tell me because he was pissed about it happening or didn't tell me because of a more inappropriate reason.  I wouldn't care about the lap dances but if he knew that you did, or you had said 'no lap dances please' and did it anyway then that would be a big problem.  If you think he didn't tell you because he was keeping it a secret because he knowingly did things that you would find disrespectful then I would really need a lot of counseling to feel a bit better.  On top of that the lying alone would be a HUGE problem for me, as I would now second guess everything he has ever done or said, escpecially about that night.

    On the other hand, if you think he was upset about it happening to him or pissed about it and lied out of shame, then I might go see a counselor to have an objective view and work on forgiving him.  Although - you can believe that he would not have the bastards standing up there at OUR wedding after that.  I've told me guy - if any of his friends were to do anything to disrespect me or our relationship then he would need to decide who was more important.  Good luck to you.

     
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    musthavedietcoke    April 2011  

    You already have a lot of good advice. I definitely agree with you (and others) that counseling is absolutely necessary and could help a lot.

    Just wanted to tell you how sorry I am that this is happening to you. My heart truly goes out to you. AND I think you are such a wonderful person for sharing your story so that other girls who might otherwise be fine with strip club bachelor events will think about having a very specific conversation with their FI beforehand about where the line is. I know I always tend to think the best of my FI and trust him wholeheartedly..but your story reminds me of what my parents used to tell me when I was in highschool: "we love and trust YOU but not other peoples' kids" (in this case, FI's friends).

    [hugs]

     
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    coconutmellie    March 2010  

    I went back and read the advice you received on your previous post and I think a lot of is very good, with regards to what you can do to better understand the situation and make rational decisions. Your feelings of hurt and betryal will certainly wear off in time.

    I don't mean to be flip, but maybe it might make you chuckle a little to think about how much it must have hurt to have been whipped to get bruises like that! He's going to have to suffer them for a little while.

     
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    redbullfanatic    July 7, 2010   Long Beach, CA

    I don't think anybody can tell you what to do...get married, don't get married...it's up to you.  I will say that if this is something you cannot get over then you should definitely not get married.  You know the true character of your fiancé so you need to look at that.  Is this the type of person he usually is?  Or did he really screw up because he had a bunch of guys around him?  If you don't think you're going to get past this and you'll constantly be thinking about it into your marriage and possibly then hold it over his head day after day then do not marry him.  I think you really just need to step back, evaluate what kind of person he is and if this was true to his character. Hopefully that made sense!

     
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    ladyox    May 16, 2010  

    My husband and I had this fight after his bachelor party too (no nudity or bruises, he kept his boxers on) but he was whipped and humiliated in front of his friends too.  It went too far for me and I told him so and had some long talks with his groomsmen about the situation too.   My husband has said that it was the least sensual thing that has ever happened to him.  I'm sure it was for your fiance too. 

    We talked about it a lot when it happened and then I just had to let it go (after revoking his stripper priveleges unless I am with him FOR LIFE!)  I was hurt, I didn't like it, he knew it, his friends knew it, everyone apologized sincerely and we all moved on.

    We got married a few months ago and are incredibly happy.  I trust him completely.  We learned a lot about each other, communication and boundaries.  We grew from the experience.  

    It sucks, believe me I know (I'm sure you can find my posts about it when it happened in March).  But it doesn't have to end you and it doesn't have to end the relationship or ruin your wedding.  Just keep the lines of communication open, be honest, be kind to each other.  And keep building.  It was one night and one moronic act in a lifetime of loving each other. 

    None of us are perfect people and love and marriage mean helping each other be better people. 

    I wish you luck.  Feel free to PM me if you want to talk to someone who has been in the trenches...

     
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    Leeluu    September 3, 2011  

    When fiance and I were newly dating, he actually got whipped by a stripper and had a bruise, but I just thought it was funny. I guess I'm a little different than most =)

     

    I do want to shed some light on this- I doubt that the stripper said hey Mr. X, come up on stage and pull down your pants and we will whip you, ok with you? Most likely, they pushed him to go on stage and he was thinking ok, no harm in that. Then they probably unbuckled his pants, pushed them down, pushed him to bend over and whipped him all at once. When you are drunk and there is a forceful stripper and your friends are going crazy and you're on stage, its not like you are thinking things through. What could he do? Punch the stripper in the face and run away?

     

    I would be really mad that he lied, however. Lying is the absolute worst thing for me.

     
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    laureldavid74    August 7, 2011  

    I am sorry that my advice doesn't please everyone, but I want to reiterate my viewpoint.

    He lied to you so you have no idea how far this really went.   And even what you know is way beyond most people's boudaries, including, I understand, yours.  He lied not once but several times, as you discovered more.  He only came clean because he had to--with the bruises.  I mean he even tried to lie and say they were from paintball.  

    His friends, who are the groomsmen, do not respect you or your relationship. 

    He allowed (or maybe tacitly approved) this disrespect.

     

    But, in the end, this is not about his friends.  This is about him.   This is not about someone not being "perfect."    This is about someone doing something that humiliates himself and his bride, in front of his friends, and then repeatedly lying about it.   If not for the bruises, you would never know, even what you know.

    I am really puzzled by people saying that you should move on, or that I am not being helpful.  I can't see how it is helpful to advise move on after such blatant disregard for your feelings.  At the very least, postpone and get counseling.  And, as for that person who is blissfully happy several months after marrying in a similar situation, that's nice, and hopefully that will be true 20 years from now.  But I know people with exact opposite stories--this type of disregard was a red flag that they ignored, and they are now divorced in one case or getting counseling because he cheats repeatedly in another (and everyone but she knew it for two years).  In both cases, they have confided that they knew that they shouldn't have gotten married, but so many people told them that the bachelor party debauchery was normal, that they didn't trust their convictions.  They wish that someone had laid it on the line for them, and confirmed their feelings that it was unacceptable.  It was just too hard to cancel a wedding on short notice for reasons that other people kept telling them were flimsy.  

    I really feel bad for you, and it hurt to read your story.   I am trying just like other people here to tell you what I think I would do, and I really feel that telling you that this is just a little blip is the wrong advice.

       In the end, it is up to you what you do.   But, trust your feelings and don't let others negate them.  If this was a major violation to you, it was a major violation.  YOu are not over-reacting.  And the lying--I don't even know what to say about that.  If you feel in your heart that you can forgive and forget--fine.  But, don't feel forced to diminish your feelings because others say it's not that big a deal.

    Again, I hope you find your way to the right answers.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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