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I understand that you're trying to be helpful, but how old is this guy? I think he has overstayed his welcome.
@deetroitwhat: he's 29...he's been working in the restaurant industry since college, which i think accounts for his really different lifestyle (late nights, more partying) than dh and me, with our more 9-5ish type schedules...
Actually, I think it is appropriate to call him on it. Having your heart broken doesn't give you free rein to be rude to your friends and hosts.
You can say something like, "hey, I know you're in a bad place right now. But you haven't been yourself, and it feels sometimes like you're taking it out on us. I know you're not doing this on purpose, but it's been kind of hurtful."
OP, you're doing such a wonderful thing. Going through a broken engagement sucks. He's lucky to have friends like you and your husband.
However, you can only be saints for so long. I would continue to talk to him about how he's doing, what he's planning to do in the short term, and if there is anything else you can do to get him back on his feet (and in his own place!). I don't know if there is any way to alert him to his criticisms without him becoming emotional or defensive. Can I suggest you and DH plan a night out, just the two of you?
Good luck!
Also, I think you guys are being really kind, and it's not necessary to disrupt your own lives so much. Having him stay with you, great, but don't get less sleep or hurt your jobs because of it.
Aw honey, it sounds like you're being the best friend that you can be.
Like you said, when he snips and says mean things, he doesn't mean them. He's in a really miserable place right now.
As for you and your FI fighting, it would happen to most of us. The added stress, the hurt your feeling for him, etc, all wrap into making things stressful.
The best thing you and your FI can do is just be conscious of the fact that he's causing you stress and really try to work together to not let it get to you. Would it be possible for you and your FI to have one night a week together? Or to leave earlier than needed for work (you guys could then grab coffee alone) or to meet somewhere after work (before going home?)
Hang in there. M is lucky to have friends like you guys!
I have never been in this situation but it seems as though you and your husband need to set some ground rules. Let him know he is allowed to stay, but smart comments and such will not be tolerated. If you can't say that, say something along the lines that you and husband need some privacy and schedule the times. I also think that your husband is the one that needs to speak with your friend. I really hope M moves out sooner than later.
@finnaroo: Honestly I think those comments are coming out because he's unhappy about his situation. My old roommate used to say THE RUDEST stuff to me and my husband (then boyfriend) because she was going through an ugly break up. I never really realized WHY she was doing it then, but I used to think she was being such an asshole. For the generosity you're showing this man, I really think he needs a reality check. And, a lot of the other things you're doing you don't have to, ie, staying up late, drinking more, etc. Those are things you can handle immediately.
Anyways, I'm sorry. What a crappy situation. I am sure he will look back and feel kinda bad for his comments.
So sorry about your troubles!!!! <3
I totally agree with mightywombat. Being in a bad place does not give you a free pass to be mean and hurtful to others. IMO it isn't helping him heal either. I think you are awesome friends, letting him stay with you! But when it gets to a point when you and your husband are fighting, it's time to speak up. However, if there is an end in sight (and I mean soon), it might make things more awkward than they need to be...
@SnugglesKD, mightywombat, 7mom, and sonj818: thanks!! it feels really good to know that i'm not just being a brat about losing DH and my's quiet time! DH and i have gotten better through this at realizing that the tension is bc of M being here, and being more conscious of it and appreciative of each other. and i think you guys are right that we should say something to M when he's being rude; i think dh needs to do it since they've been closer longer. dh kind of lets M push him around a bit in general though, so i think next time i hear him say something i could just respond in the moment that it wasn't an okay thing to say
@brenna1035: thanks! the part about it ending soon is why i kind of want to just let things run their course. like, maybe M can stay here if he needs to, but we aren't going to go out, and maybe i need to study in the other room (i'm in grad school) while he and dh watch tv. or something like that...
@deetroitwhat: i agree, i think people just get so wrapped up in their own feelings sometimes they just don't realize they're crossing a line--sorry your roomate was so rude to you and your fi!
@finnaroo: I've been in an extremely similar situation. My fiancé's friend had a relationship fail, was living in the midwest and needed to return to a new and more stable life. My fiancé was an angel and opened his home to his friend. His friend certainly helped around the house, but just his presence was such a strain on the household as my fiancé has two boys, other obligations, and was dating me. It just got to be too much and yes, everyone was fighting more. His friend would make snide comments here and there about whatever. Finally his friend was given a deadline to get out. It helped that at the time I had a friend who was looking for a roommate so PHEW that helped alleviate the situation. So I would suggest to you that dude gets out of your home and FAST. You and your husband are probably best approaching him on this together. You are awesome people to be so accepting and caring of him, but he is totally throwing the dynamics off between you and your husband, and the entire household. Seriously, how much longer are you willing to let this go on? It is time for him to pick himself up by his bootstraps and moooooooove oooooooon. His recent experiences are projecting outward and poisoning your home. Give him an exact deadline (by the end of March, end of April at most!) for him to be out and that is all there is to it. You and your family need to come first here. Good luck to you!
@Cornflakegirl: so sorry you and your fi had to go through that! with kids in the mix too, that definitely would be a stressful situation. the thing about our situation that's a little different is that M is technically living with his parents, who live in the suburbs, so he's here on and off when he wants to be in the city with us and other friends. if he was living here for real, we'd def have to give him a time line to move out! even so, we probably should make ourselves less available to him if he keeps going on this way...
okay a related question for all the bees: i'm still fb friends with M's ex-fi, even though M and dh defriended her. her relationship status says she's in a relationship with the guy she cheated on M with, and she's posted a bunch of pics with this new guy (i said she was awful, didn't i?!?) meanwhile, she's been telling M she made a mistake and wants to get back together. would you tell M about the fb stuff? dh and M's other friend think it would just hurt M more to see that, and i think i agree...unless M actually gets serious about taking the ex-fi back, in which case i think he has to know....
@finnaroo: That's a tough one. Yes, I think I would tell him. And then unless you're good friends with her--delete her!!
@deetroitwhat: i know, i really should defriend her....i'm just really nosy! :(
I didn't read all of the other comments, but if he is going to stay with you for a while, you really need to tell him that he needs to abide by you sleep/work schedule. I understand he's hurting and that you're trying to be supportive, but your lives shouldn't suffer because of this, especially your work and your relationship.
@karatechick27: thanks! you're right, we shouldn't let him interfere with our schedules. it's hard though--dh works at home, and i'm in grad school, so we're really only accountable to ourselves on a daily basis, there's no like direct boss or supervisor that we need to see each day. and M doesn't really get that we still need to be responsible...
Hmm, the Facebook thing. That's tough. I think for M's sake, you may want to be frank and forward with him, but limit talking about the ex and try not to show him the photos on FB. She seems like a mess, and M does not need any more messes.
I suggest you have him pick up "It's Called a Breakup Because It's Broken." Funny, insightful, and written by the guy who wrote "He's Just Not That Into You". It really stresses the no contact rule. For M, that might be the best thing until he can figure out his game plan moving forward. I would just keep telling him that he's better off without his ex.
@SnugglesKD: oh that book sounds great, thanks! i know he's seeing a psychiatrist who is helping him move forward too, so that's a really good sign for him. he mostly has no interest in contacting the ex, which is great, but he has had a couple conversations with her...
@finnaroo: Oh, I see! Sorry I misunderstood and thought he lived with you! Still, I agree, you definitely don't need him knocking on your door whenever he feels like visiting the city...and subsequently upheaving your lives! Enough is enough. Just don't be so available to him anymore. He'll get the hint. Hang in there! As for the ex-fi, I'd stay out of it unless he was seriously considering getting back together with her.
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hi bees! so this is mostly a vent (and a pretty long one at that....); i don't really know that there's anything my hubby or i can do differently than we already are but i appreciate any advice or sympathy...
M is one of DH's best friends (and former college roomate and our groomsman). he broke off his engagement after he found out his fi had cheated on him. they had been living all the way across the country together, but as soon as M found out, he jumped in his car and drove all the way back to NY, where he'd lived before this past summer and where all his friends and family are. he's totally devastated; his ex-fi is really just awful and it's a really crappy situation. luckily he found out before they got married, and luckily they hadn't planned anything yet (even though they got engaged last may) so they don't have to worry about deposits or anything. but he's still heartbroken, of course.
this was about 3 weeks ago he's been staying on and off with his parents, sister, us, and other friends since; ie, in less than 3 weeks, he's spent about 5 nights on our pull-out couch, and then spent more days with us than that (in the same 3 weeks, my in-laws also came to visit, which was exhausting in and of itself). we're more than happy to be there for M--it's not a question at all of whether he can stay with us ever, we've opened our home to him, fed him, done whatever he wants to do with him (including spending way more time going out than we normally do, staying up way later than usual, drinking more, etc, which has meant our work productivity is slacking...). he's really hurting, and helping him out is our top priority. but on the other hand, it's also been really hard on us. we haven't had much down time or privacy. so much so that last week we realized we were picking more fights with each other than usual because of that. like, we got in a huge fight, with tears, over a stupid misunderstanding right before our v-day dinner.
on top of that, M sometimes says really mean or overly critical things, without meaning to i'm sure. i def give him the benefit of doubt about it--he's probably just so wrapped up in his own hurt that he's not really thinking through what he says. like, his filter is temporarily missing. but he's said really insulting things about some of my friends, who he wanted to meet and then barely said one word to. he's criticized our dog and the way he's trained, ie us. he said something like "oh you're married now, it's your job to break him down!" after DH and i were bickering over our tv remote, etc. we usually just brush it off or don't respond, but it hurts my feelings when we've been trying so hard to be good friends. neither DH nor i are very confrontational anyway, but now just doesn't seem like a good time to call him out.
the good thing is the situation is temporary--M is looking for a job here and then will get his own apt, and then we won't be spending days and days with him without a break. so things will resolve themselves eventually... but in the meantime, this is hard! not as hard as it is for M, of course, but we have needs too...
i don't know, i'm really just venting...has anyone else dealt with a situation like this? any advice about how to get through it?