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Are you out there? How's it going ladies and gents? Any family battles yet?
I'm currently waiting, but my guy is Vietnamese. He told me recently that his family (mostly mom) thought he should wait until he is out of school to get married, which would be fine except for he is going for his PhD which will take him 4.5 more years. He says he thinks we are ready, so hopefully it will happen soon. His mom has a lot of power in their family though. I don't know what kind of wedding she expects us to have, but I want a non-traditional all around (aka not traditional American or Vietnamese wedding).
Ooo. PhD. I'm finally finishing mine this semester! and it will have taken 6!!! So yeah... it'd be great if he could finish in 4.5 ;)
From personal experience, Vietnamese mother of the grooms can be pretty hard to deal with b/c in Vietnamese culture the groom's family usually pays for the wedding and the mother of the groom is the most important person in the wedding... so that is totally different than U.S. norms these days. So in my case (being a girl and all), neither Mr. HW's parents nor mine were really prepared to pay for the wedding since they're use to the other side paying. So we are paying. Good luck w/ dealing w/ the cultural issues though.
Hey hotwings! I'm Vietnamese, my guy is 3/4 white and 1/4 Japanese. My family battle was a few months ago when we moved in together post-engagement, pre-wedding, eek. It's okay now, though.
Also, I saw on your profile that you're finishing your PhD in psych! I'm in a counseling psychology MA program right now. :) Also, it's great to be reading about a Vietnamese bee's wedding planning!
Vietnamese bride here! Luckily my parents have been pretty open minded about what we what our wedding to be like. We are doing the morning tea ceremony out of respect for them however...plus ao dai makes for some pretty great pics :-) My FI is Taiwanese and his mom is pretty westernized so she hasn't pushed anything on us at all! But I will be changing into a qipao during the reception because I think his grandma would appreciate it.
Originally we were gonna wait a few more years since I'm currently getting my masters (finishing in June!!) and he is getting his PhD and MBA (and still has 3 years to go), but our parents have been pushing us to move the wedding up since we've been together almost 6 years. Both sides are helping pay and we are paying a portion ourselves as well.
I think a good compromise and to incorporate some vietnamese traditions would be to do the morning tea ceremony. I think there was also some resistance to our decision to have our reception catered (buffet style) by a restaurant that does almost asian fusion type food rather than going to a vietnamese/chinese restaurant and doing the whole traditional reception. But they've come around :-)
Good luck fighting battles!
@jduck:we had the same issue...moving in together post-engagement, pre-wedding...but we have roommates and supposedly have separate rooms. LOL
@PDX - that's so funny! When my brother moved in with his fiancee, my dad told me, "Oh, they're sleeping in separate bedrooms, I saw her stuff in the downstairs bedroom." Ha! Of course, I got different (negative) treatment since I'm the baby and a girl.
Also, your wedding is a week before mine! I don't think I'm going to wear an ao dai because I'm a little too chubby and self-conscious for that... but my aunt and mom and I thought a cheong sam for the rehearsal dinner might be pretty.
We're having an outdoor reception with banh mi and Viet iced coffee... I'm so excited for that!
Yeah, the problem with me is my guy knows like nothing of Vietnamese weddings, so it doesn't help me to incorporate anything. Also, when I tried looking it up online a while back, I found very little information about traditions. I think it is because most of it is not written in English. If any of you know any good resources I would love to see them.
I think that is interesting about the moving in before wedding post engagement stuff, because I totally see his mom flipping out if we did that, but it could be a total likelihood.
@jduck: OMG I never even thought of banh mi and viet iced coffee!! Brilliant!
@quirky: most of what I know about viet weddings are from going to them or from hearing about them from family members. i think there are probably some blogs out there that might be helpful (like: http://www.banquetevent.com/wedding/misc/bande/2009/03/she-said-traditional-vietnamese-wedding.html). I think fewer and fewer couples are doing the whole traditional vietnamese wedding and taking the bits and pieces they like.
Oh... You all just gave me the idea to write up a Vietnamese wedding traditions post! Duh. That makes sense.
And I know this next link is for Chinese weddings, but I've actually come across other Viet brides and grooms on there. http://chineseweddings.theknot.com/boards/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=397 So check that out too.
I'm also wearing an ao dai, but a very modern non-wedding like one. I think you're all right to say to include some of the Viet traditions. The parents really find it respectful.
@quirkyparsnip: Something that really helped my Vietnamese parents was asking them to think about their top 5 must have wedding things (e.g., traditions). Then sitting down with them to ask them what they decide their must haves are. For Mr. HW and I, we didn't end up doing all of their top 5, but they have told us how much they appreciated that we took the time to ask them and listen to what they wanted even though we didn't end up doing all of them. Some of their "needs" were soo simple and easy to accomodate that it ended up keeping them happy about letting go of other things.
@hotwings Please do a post on Viet traditions! My FI is Vietnamese, but he's very uninterested in the wedding planning, so I'm having trouble getting him to tell me about the traditions that we should be including. It would be great to get the scoop from a Vietnamese bride!
I am not a bride but I know a lot about the Vietnamese traditions since a lot of friends have been getting married recently and I been somewhat helping them plan their wedding. Also doesn't help that my mom is wanting me to get married off to. But that is what mom is for. So I can try to answer any questions about traditions if there are any particulars. Just be reminded that each region does things differently.
Yeah my parents were happy that I wanted to incorporate Vietnamese traditions into my wedding as well. It really gave them a way to be involved in the planning and I'm sure they appreciate that since they are helping pay for part of our wedding.
@hotwings: Did you buy your ao dai online? I don't know where to get one and I heard bad things about aodaivinh.
@vttp926: my FI feels weird about asking my parents what to bring when he comes to their house on the wedding day for tea ceremony...what kinds of things does the groom side typically bring??
When we did the tea ceremony for my uncle wedding, we had 2 plates of fruit, 2 plates of cha lua(pork loaf), 2 plates of tea, I think a total of 4 boxes of hennessey maybe, and then the red circle lacquer box which I don't know what it contains. At my friend wedding, they did the tea, fruit, wine, the Vietnamese wedding cake which I don't know what it is called and the pig. But really it is what the bride family request the groom family is what they bring for the tea ceremony. And it also depends on how many people you need to bring the gifts. It is always an even number and a pair if you do anything. So usually it is either 6, 8 or another even number.
We visited my parents today (two bowls of pho, mmm!) and I asked my parents about Viet wedding traditions and if they wanted to include any for the wedding. My dad joked that it wasn't necessary and that if we didn't do it right, people would gossip, so I guess the wedding traditions are not as important to them. My mom is very involved in our wedding planning, though, so that makes me happy that we have that together, without any drama whatsoever.
We are, however, celebrating Tet next weekend and going to do some traditional stuff then, which IS important to them, so that's good.
@PDX - my mom is having her ao dai made at a place in St. Paul, just a little local place. Do you think there's any place like that where you are? I'd be nervous about measuring myself and sending it to some place online, no matter how reputable it is, just because ao dai are so fitted and exquisitely made.
I'm a veitnamese bride and DH is caucasian.
My mom and dad were more strict on the catholic church thing for me. I moved to Seattle about a year ago with the FI (at the time) so they didn't really say anything about moving in together before getting married.
I really didn't do that many vietnamese traditions. I didn't change into different dresses. I had a vietnames priest but I also had an american priest who did most of the ceremony.
@yrret107: That's awesome that you didn't have any drama about the moving in together thing. I moved to Seattle about a year and a half ago and my FI was already here...we just moved in together in September and my parents were soooooo hesitant about it. But it's fine now :-)
@vttp: Thanks for the info!
@jduck: Same here...parents are totally into the tet things so we're going to visit and doing all that stuff next weekend. LOL at what your dad said! I think my dad was saying something about doing things right so people don't gossip too. So funny!
My FI is Vietnamese! He, however, has no interest in incorporating any traditions from his culture in our wedding. And because I'm Canadian, his family doesn't expect us to. So far the main concern has been that our guests will not be hungry - which has been fairly easy to accommodate. :)
@jduck84 - that's a very good idea to just ask them what they want though. I like the idea that they may want something that is very simple for us to do. What traditions did you try to incorporate?
@MissHotWings - I didn't realize it was the groom's family that paid! This explains why the FI's mom keeps offering to pay for things, even though we are footing the bill ourselves (neither of our families really has the financial ability to contribute to the wedding).
I just asked my FI if he realized this, and after a second, he was like, oh, right, yeah that's true. How can he forget such important details? haha.
I'm a Vietnamese bride. My mom didn't know why I wanted a Western ceremony but now she has accepted it, mostly because I AM going to have one no matter what. But I'm also having tea ceremony in the morning. I definitely have to do some research on it in order to do it correctly.
i'm half vietnamese and half japanese, Boy is korean-japanese. i asked my dad if he wanted me to have a vietnamese style wedding, but he's rather indifferent about the whole thing ("why you asking me? it's your wedding").
HOWEVER, Boy's dad, who's korean, is the one that's causing us some minor, minor distraught. we can't choose our dates because he and his mother (Boy's grandmother) has to consult the astrological calendar and all that other old world stuff.
OMG, my FI's dad too had to consult the astrological calendar and gave us only 2 dates, 7/3 or 7/10, for all of the summer months and most of the fall months. Luckily, the reception site had 7/3 available or else I was ready to just choose my own date.
vietnamese bride here, marrying a filipino guy lol. we're both very americanized, however i've maintained some of my vietnamese heritage. my FH however, is not filipino at all other than by his ethnicity. we are debating doing a tea ceremony, but i feel that i am obligated to since i am the baby of the family and the only daughter--hooray -_- hehe.
no family battles yet since FH's family is separated and don't really care much about what's going on. my mom has been pushing for a church ceremony but i'm not all for it. other than that, none of that traditional vietnamese mother-on-future-mother-in-law battles (: woohoo!
@tweet & @Worrywart: HAHA we had the same issue. We were basically given 2 dates after FI's grandma checked out the calendar. Lucky for us it worked out too!
@Worrywart:we are doing the tea ceremony as well since our ceremony and reception is completely western. No red and gold chinese restaurant...our ceremony is going to be in a garden on a farm and the reception is going to be in the barn on the same farm. My mom was initially like WHAT?? but she's cool with it now, especially since we're doing the tea ceremony.
@PDX Bride, I'm having mine in a garden too! It'll be in a rose garden that I absolutely love and just only recently found and am in the process of booking. I think FI's out-of-town family will be surpised when they find out because they have never experienced a Western wedding ceremony before. As for the reception, it'll be in a chinese seafood restaurant. My parents didn't have a preference for that or not, however, it was my FI that wanted it. However, I like the restaurant because it's at the waterfront and has a awesome view at night so I didn't object at all.
hi everyone!!!
My FI and I both are viet, we just started planning our wedding, and we want to have the wedding this year (2010). But my oldest sister says it's not a good year for me to get married after consulting some calendar and stuffs like that ....! if we're not getting married by Oct, i think that we have to wait until next summer because I dont want to get married when it's cold, i like warm weather! So, whatever she says, I'll go ahead with our plan. Does any of you believe in those things????
@Mocha_Luv: FI's grandma consulted the calendar for us and gave us specific dates that we could get married on that were "good". Your sister said there are absolutely no summer dates you can get married on? I always thought it was specific dates rather than an entire year? I don't think I really believe in these things, but we didn't want to hear the drama from the older relatives if we just picked a date without consulting the calendar :-)
@mochaluv, my SIL said the exact same thing! That this year is bad year to get married. I told her that heck no I was waiting for another year because of the superstition or whatever you call. I know so many VN couples who were strict about marrying on a specific date based on the astrological calender and their birth dates, and yet many years later, they're divorced, etc.
I'm Vietnames and he's Taiwanese. My mom finally (after 2 yrs of me asking for one) picked us out a wedding date of 12/11, I asked my FI if that was ok with him, he said it's fine. Told him he has to tell his parents too, and so we came to our first battle. His parents have a flea market business that's only open on the weekends, and holiday season is a good $$ time for them. When he told his mom the date, she complained about having to close on a Saturday right before Christmas. I was fairly upset that for the wedding of their oldest son, they could think that opening to make a couple of hundred bucks was more important. I went back and forth with him about it until he said he didn't want to ask his parents to close just for the wedding, which made me want go bridezilla on him. Asking his parents to close for OUR wedding was going to be too much to ask?? I'm not asking them to pay, I just want them to show up for pete's sake. Am I really being unreasonable, when my family is the more traditional one in wanting to pick a good date for us? This is not their only source of income BTW.
@dpham67 That's tough. I've had similar issues with both my White FILs and my own family. Let it sit, they'll come around. I've noticed that they put up a fit for awhile and then get over it. They'll miss their son's wedding! Sometimes they just want to know you're considering their feelings, and then they move on. Any luck since you posted?
@hotwings
They finally told my FI that whatever my family and I wanted was fine, since it was important to us. Now my mom is the one driving me crazy! LOL If it's not one side, it's the other right? Hopefully after this weekend I will have my reception restaurant picked. Lots of my mom's friends are buddhist, so she wanted me to have a vegetarian reception, I told her I wasn't going to have only veggie food when his family isn't even religious and force them to eat that way. She said fine, we'll have 2 receptions, 1 veggie then another day have a normal one!! I think my head was ready to explode when she said that :( Since I didn't want to tell her about the drama of trying to get them to close ONE day, much less to tell them now I wanted TWO days, I just said I couldn't afford to do two days worth of photography, hair, flowers, etc. Told her I could have a veggie lunch reception for her friends, then regular dinner reception for everyone else in one day. She thought about it and now has changed her mind again.... so this weekend we are going to try out a restaurant on mother's day to see how the food is, and if it's ok, they have both a regular and veggie banquet menu I can book from. Please pray that the food will be good for me. The place I originally picked, that even had my date available, and would create a veggie menu for me was not good enough for her. I'm beginning to think this isn't MY wedding. Being the youngest AND the only one to have a real wedding and reception is going to kill me.
Sorry for the long rant!
@ dpham67 I'm so sorry to hear the drama. Sadly, I am not surprised. My mom has been the same way. If you're using a Viet/Chinese restaurant try to keep in mind that you don't have to love each and every dish. That saved me a ton of stress. Our restaurant was nice enough to let our vegetarian and special food needs guests pick a dish for themselves so that they don't have to eat the banquet menu. Maybe that could be an option. Hang in there. It'll get better. My dad's advice to me that has really helped was "stop telling your mom everything. Do what you want. Tell her and expect that she'll get mad. Give her a week to let it sit in. Then she'll come around." I'm am surprised at how well this has worked. Why didn't he tell me this when I was in high school!!! Good luck and let us know what happens this weekend.
So I'm back to update, though I just want to curl up in the corner and hide 
We did not eat at the restaurant for Mother's Day because when I went to sit and pick a menu on Friday, the manager told me that she would not be able to accomodate my wedding without shutting down the whole restaurant, AND she would have to get the other manager's approval before she could promise that for me. I didn't feel like I should spend money doing a tasting when I couldn't know for sure if we could book them, so I decided to wait and see. Called her today and she told me that to close the restaurant their minimum would be $17k in food and drink. Guest list is about 200 people, even if I ordered the best food, I'd barely make it to $12k! I'm not about to open bar this just to make the minimum, so this place is out the door now. Called my mom and told her, she suggested two other places, still refusing the one place I want. I told her no to one of her places, because I've been to a wedding for 200 there and it was very cramped and didn't even have room for a dance floor. So now I'm checking at the one other place she said and if it's a no there, then she has no other choice than to go with my pick. Called her last place and the guy who handles the dates is not in today, so will try my luck tomorrow. My fingers are crossed!
Just in case though. Does anyone know any place that caters Chinese/Vietnamese food in Houston? I'm not talking teriyaki on a stick, I'd want them to at least be able to do Peking duck. Of all things, I actually found a place that will do vegetarian Chinese catering, but can't find one that will do normal food!
Sorry for another long post! 
dpham--let me find out from my friends in the houston area. they can probably tell me where all the wedding banquets are usually held there. cant promise that it will be vegetarian but at least it will give you some ideas.



Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. So last place did not have my date, called my mom and she STILL won't give in to the place I picked. At this rate, by the time she gives in, THEY probably won't have my date anymore!

dpham, I'm sorry for all the drama! :(
I hope your mom comes around soon... is there an ally you can use? Dad, aunt, cousin, older siblings? I'm the youngest and last to get married too, but in my family it's worked to my favor. My parents have completely mellowed out and are letting us do whatever we want for the wedding, as long as we had it in a Catholic church with a mass.
But, in the past, whenever I need help with something, I had my brothers and sister lined up to back me up. Would something like that work for you? Good luck, and keep us posted.
My sister already tried for me, she gave up because my mom argued even worse with her than with me. I wish mellow could be a word I could EVER use with my mom. Out of 5 of us, only 1 brother has had a formal wedding and reception, but it was in Vietnam which was out of my mom's control. He was supposed to have a reception here once his wife got here, but that never happened. Maybe if he had been the first to have one here, I would have been let off the hook a little. *SIGH*
Aw I'm so sorry. Any chance you can use FI or the In Laws as an excuse? And then as a last resort, would you consider a location that your mom doesn't initially approve of?
@dpham: any luck out on the restaurant hunt? i finally had a friend tell me which ones they been to weddings to in houston. they have only been to ocean palace and kim son. i hope those places help. still scouring for more recs for you.
Kim Son is already booked for the 3 locations I was looking into having it at. The 4th location they have I don't even want to look into, because it is attached to their "buffet" location, so it kind of screams tacky at me. Oceans Palace I didn't look at because my friend's sister had her wedding there and they complained about how ugly the whole place is. The place I said is cramped earlier has my date, but I looked at their menu and I'm thinking that for the same amount of money, my original pick has much better menu options. Plus the reason they are cramped is because they don't have a separate party area and if I book less than 35 tables, then they are still open for regular business, they just split their dining area to accomodate for the wedding.
Things may be looking up for me though. My mom and I did come to an agreement of sorts over the weekend. She is rethinking my first proposal of having vegetarian lunch for her friends at the temple and then dinner at my restaurant choice for everyone else. Apparently by me letting her have the vegetarian part, I bumped the guest list for her vegetarian friends from 50 to 100! Thank goodness the temple should be only half the price compared to restaurants so I can afford the doubling of guests there. She is going to look more closely into booking the temple this weekend I think. Cross your fingers for me that she doesn't change her mind again!
it wont hurt to look at oceans palace because their taste may not be yours. beside there are so many event companies that can transform how a place looks now. so that is always an option if you can afford it. but good luck on the mama front.
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