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    Petunia123    October 29, 2011   Baton Rouge, LA

    So the Boy and I have been together for 5 years.  We recently moved in together.  I've always known that I was going to be the bread winner in our relationship, but never really cared.  I love the Boy and the money he makes or doesn't make doesn't make a bit of difference to me. 

    Over the weekend he mentioned that we should go look at some jewelery stores to get an idea of what I like.  HOORAY! 

    The Boy recently worked at a company as a temporary hire, and yesterday he received his full time offer.  So he received his salary information and all the benefits stuff.  This lead to us trying to figure out the best way to use it (i.e, pay off his college loans).  After that discussion the Boy then says something along the lines of now that you know what I'll be making, you realize I don't have a lot of money to spend on a ring.  Now this was always something I knew.  We don't make a fortune and I wasn't expecting some huge rock or anything like that.  I explained that to him, which then led to him explaining a new idea.

    His mom offered him her past engagement ring from his dad (they are currently divorced).  Right off the bat I am flattered (although slightly put off that I would be getting her divorce ring).  I feel very special for her to offer it to me...mind you I have never seen said ring since they have been divorced since the Boy was 3.  Anywho, he mentions that we could use the diamond and have it re-set.  Sounds like a good plan so far.  Well then I just HAD to ask what shape it is so that I know what kind of settings to look at.  To which he provides the most un-flattering descriptions of a diamond I have ever heard; "It's this tiny little pear shaped thingy".

    OK, OK, I'm not going to let myself get too upset by this.  So I go to the computer and start looking for setting to fit a pear shape.  He looks over and see the ones I'm looking at and his response to that is:  "Oh its way smaller than those, it wouldnt even fit in those settings its so small".

    AAHHHHHHH!  Now I know that the important thing is the marriage, not the ring.  But still.  I have always had at least some idea of what I'd want my engagement ring to look like and the words tiny and pear were not some of the words I would have used to describe it.

    I don't know if this is something I should speak to the Boy about or how to handle this.  The Boy did mention that eventually we could 'upgrade' it to something nicer, but in my mind I want to wear the ring I'm proposed to with forever.  It is the ring I will have memories of.  I want it to be the ring that my children and grandchildren see and know that I received the day I was asked. 

    What should I do?  I need help!

     
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    M.Ruder    July 2, 2011   Saint Louis

    I think you should make due with what you're financially able to afford right now.  I know it's the "boring" answer, but it's the logical one.  When you can "upgrade", save the ring and maybe use the pear stone to put in a necklace for your first daughter (like her 16th bday or something).  Or you can keep it and pass it down to your son when he wants to get married.  =) 

    It's a blessing =) 

     
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    stlginkgo    3/20/10  

    It def is the logial boring answer but if this is what you can afford right now, then you will have to accept it and maybe upgrade later.

     
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    EvaBostonTerrier    July 3, 2010  

    Maybe it would help if you actually saw the diamond in person.  It's hard to compare the real diamond with pictures on the computer just from memory.  

     
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    cecullaton    October 2, 2010   Cambridge, Ontario

    I agree... it's more about the commitment, and if that's what he is able to afford right now, it's not at all about the ring, it's about what it means.  Realy,, it will mean the same thing if it is small and pear shaped or huge and princesss cut.  I also think it is great the he is acknowledging that he would like you to have more, and would like to upgrade later... means he really is thinking about the future and about what you would like.  I say go for it... and look forward to the day you can upgrade the ring, even though the original will still always have a special place!

     
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    bryce234    August 7, 2010  

    How do you feel about stones other than diamonds?  There are some really affordable and beautiful options if you want to go that route.  You might look into that as a possibility.  That could also be your excuse for not taking the mom's ring.  Instead of saying, "I don't like that particular diamond," you can say, "I actually wanted something other than a diamond."  I don't know, just a thought.

     
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    starrgazer02    September 22, 2012   Jersey

    there are options to get what you want.  most jewerly stores will allow you to do payments - thats what we did.  maybe you can even take old jewerly you dont wear anymore and cash in towards the ring you want - maybe even his mom's diamond (if she will let you) - i cashed in jewerly from my ex' bf's  & bracelets and earrings i dont wear anymore and got more for the gold since i was putting it towards a ring with the jewerly store. 

    i agree that you should get what you want because you will be wearing it for *hopefully* the rest of your life. 

    Good luck!

     
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    Definately stick with something you can afford but.....that doesnt' mean you have to take his mom's ring

    You could go for something other than diamond, including a clear stone or colored stone.

    Do you think he'd be offended that you don't take his mom's stone?

     
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    prettyflowers    September 2010  

    I'd suggest trying to get something new that you like better that you can afford... might not be a diamond. 

    It sounds like the main reason his mom's diamond was suggested was because it is free - not because of its long sentimental history in the family, or because he thinks it's a great diamond.  Can you get another gemstone in a shape and size you like better?  Or maybe a plain band?  Or an "eternity" type band with gemstones? 

     
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    Petunia123    October 29, 2011   Baton Rouge, LA

    I'm so amazed by all the people willing to give me advice on this.  I'm still relatively new to this web-site but I'm so greatful for everyone taking their time to help me see this in new ways.

    So the mom's ring was apparently offered to the Boy's older brother when he got married.  He and his now wife, did not accept the ring.  She wanted a non-diamond for her stone.  So the ring is now available for us.  I don't think his mom was offended when his brother got a different ring, so I'm thinking it wouldn't be that big of a deal if we decided to pass on it too.  I think I'm just too much of a wuss to say something.

    We had in briefly discussed the possibility of paying off the ring together.  As in, once we are married your debt is my debt anyway right? So then it would just be one more thing for us to do together :)  A sort of bonding experience.  He never really right out said no to that option, but the Boy is pretty old fashioned.  I think he wants it to be a surprise of what I'm getting and when he does it.  He's made comments about me knowing too much already about the possible 'ring', etc.

     

     

     
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    Goldilocks1107    September 2010   Madison, WI

    I'm going to disagree with most of the other opinions, and ask this question:

    Would you be opposed to helping pay for the ring?

    I knew that my "dream" ring was out of the range of what FI wanted to spend. So, I offered to help him with the monthly payments and used the rationale of "I want to wear this ring for the rest of my life and I'd like it to be what I wanted." Even though he's the "breadwinner" I knew that for us it made sense for me to help with the payments, since our funds would be merging anyway.

     
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    kachurk    June 18, 2011   IN

    It sounds like you definitely have an idea of what you want.  If you do plan on "upgrading" later, I encourage you to check out diamond alternatives.  I have seen quite a few by Tacori that look amazing and elegant, but without the heavy price tag (check out QVC). Only you would know the real secret!...and then you can afford that upgrade later!

    Best Wishes!

     
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    starrgazer02    September 22, 2012   Jersey

    technically 'we' paid for the ring since we have been living together and share a bank account and all the bills.  I would let him know how much he could take towards the ring from his paycheck to ensure we had enough to cover bills and living expenses till we got paid again.  I got an unexpected bonus from my work that covered a LARGE chunk of the ring that allowed him to pick it up sooner then we were expecting.  I think in this day and age it makes sense to pay for the ring together - it's an investment you both are making. 

     
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    rachaelrobin    January 16, 2011   Philadelphia

    @Petunia123: Well if you do go with his mom's diamond, you will know what he is getting you because he already told you!!

    If you're not loving the idea of using the diamond (for whatever reason - they are all valid!) don't feel bad about politely saying no. I personally do not think it is a bad idea to help contribute to an e-ring you will actually love and be happy with. And as PP have mentioned, non-diamond e-rings are always an unique and beautiful option also!

     
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    nona49    June 5, 2010  

    I told my FI that I would love a family stone as long as it came from a long, happy marriage.  I am kinda supersticious, so I didn't want a ring from a failed marriage--maybe it's just my crazy coming out again :o)  Anyway, we were really financially strapped over the last year (got engaged 2/26, married 6/5, then bought a house 7/24 AHHHH), so I finally told him that I didn't care for a ring at all and that I'd be happy with just a beautiful wedding ring of my choice......he didn't believe me, so he surprised me with a small-ish beautiful round solitaire in white gold and he's making payments on it (one year of 0% interest financing).  He didn't spend a lot on it and we just started working, so it will be paid off within the next few months.  Because he got me the diamond, I decided on a plain white gold wedding band....so we still got what we wanted but didn't go to far beyond our financial means.  I think we came to a good compromise.

     
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    Loribeth    December 1, 2010   Michigan (Married in Savannah, GA)

    I can certainly understand wanting to keep the ring that you were proposed to with. There is a lovely sentimental value to that which cannot be replaced by an upgrade.

    Here are some things to consider: Finances are obviously tight, so it makes sense to use the stone from your FMIL's ring.

    The stone is the heirloom part of the ring, and there are some beautiful settings for pear shaped stones. Rather than thinking about upgrading it in the future, and not having your original ring, look for settings that can be added to easily.

    I used to work for a jewelry store, and some of the most incredibly beautiful rings were rings that started out with a small small stone. The original stone became an accent as the rings were modified. Usually these rings started out as simple solitaire settings, and it's not difficult to add prongs and stones to those rings. You'll eventually have a custom setting without the custom setting price. 

    Also, I don't know when you're planning on getting married, but there are some beautiful wedding rings that you can get that would add to sparkle to your diamond. You could let the wedding ring itself be the statement piece.

    Talk to a jeweler. Explain what you want, and what you think you'll want to do in the future. However, don't put yourself into debt for a ring you cannot afford. One of the saddest things I ever had to do was take back engagement rings that were bought on credit because someone no longer could afford the payments. It's heartbreaking.

     
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    baldor1    May 7, 2012   Southern California

    I am really against going into debt for a ring or wedding. There is nothing like a jolt into marriage than a monthly bill to show you that the excess on your finger or the wedding pictures on your coffee table is a reminder of other things you cannot have like money for a home, to start an education fund for your kids, retirement, or vacation.

    Assuming you yourself can pay-off a diamond, have you considered accepting the ring and using the FMIL's diamond to complement a bigger diamond that is more suitable to your taste? If a real diamond is too expensive, I would look into non-diamond alternatives then upgrade later. I just think going into debt for a diamond is the beginning of a snowball for a "let's get into debt for other things" type of marriage where financial issues slowly but surely break into the foundation of the relationship.

     
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    nona49    June 5, 2010  

    Just to clarify....I am anti debt as well....but my ring was under $3000 and my husband and I are now both working and making a great deal of money with increases in pay each year.....so, I think that the debt argument depends on each persons individual financial status.  If the amount of debt for the ring is going to be a stressor, then by all means, take the Mom's ring.

     
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    Petunia123    October 29, 2011   Baton Rouge, LA

    I definately agree that we don't want to bite off more than we can chew financially with the ring.  I was very luckly to not have to take out any student loans or have any debt other than my car that will be paid off within a year.  The Boy has some student loans, but definately not anything outrageous.  We also both have savings.  So financially we are stable.  Although who wouldn't love to make more money? :) 

    Now I an definately not up for using up all our savings for a ring.  However I am willing to finance or put up some money myself to make it something that he won't feel the need to upgrade later down the road.  I feel so selfish for saying that.

    I love the Boy more than anything and am very happy that we are getting close to that point where we are going to be a family.  So I definately don't want to suggest anything to hurt his feelings...on that note, I still would like to have something that fits my style and that HE decided is a ring (whatever size, shape, color) he wants me to have.  Not just give me what's 'free'.  I just want it to be special.

     
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    camrie    September 5, 2010   Louisville

    Since you mentioned he already has debt from school I don't think it's really a good idea add more to that by making payments.

    Just get his mom's ring reset. If you haven't even seen it you shouldn't discount it.

     
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    mcnetn3    August 13, 2011   North Carolina

    Is trading that diamond in toward a different one an option?

    Maybe he could use the money from that diamond toward one you like better.

     
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    ILikePink    June 9, 2012   Minneapolis, MN

    How much does the ring matter? Shouldn't it be the marriage that counts?

    Sorry, but you kind of sound like you have your priorities turned around.

     
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    July    August 13, 2011   Massachusetts

    my mom offered us her ring (she is divorced too) and i used the 'excuse' that i wasn't comfortable having the ring because of their divorce... i am very superstitous so that was pretty much true, but its also a small ring and i dont like the cut. she had it put into a neckalce instead.

    I would suggest you tell him how you feel- say you dont want that ring based on x  reasons and suggest a new plan. You can bring up jointly paying for it again and if he shoots it down, try telling him that a family heirloom /very very important piece of jewelry/your happiness shouldn't be comproimsed for the sake of old fashioned traditions that are no longer upkept in this society where sometimes women are the breadwinners (i am in my family as well).

     

    good luck!

     
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    rachaelrobin    January 16, 2011   Philadelphia

    @ILikePink: Seriously? I'm sure that Petunia's priorities are just fine.

    The amount that someone likes their engagement ring or is concerned about it doesn't mean they are somehow less interested in being with the person they are getting it from. Call me shallow or materialistic, but I do consider my engagement ring to be an extension, in the material form, of my FIs love. Everytime I look at it, I'm reminded of that - why shouldn't she have an engagement ring that she's floored with?

     
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    mcnetn3    August 13, 2011   North Carolina

    @rachaelrobin: I have to agree with what you said to some extent.  The ring is a external display of the commitment you make.  You wear it everyday, and if you don't like it... well then you're wearing something you don't like everyday, for the rest of your life.  I wouldn't buy a sweater I didn't like, let alone a diamond ring.

     
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    trishisadish    December 20, 2012   Florida

    I am all for staying with in your budget... however unless the ring is paid off before the wedding (or you dont plan to combine finances) then his debt is your debt. So if you want to help pay for it and he's ok with that... then maybe thats an option. As long as he's not just giving you his moms ring becaus its free... then maybe that ring could be a placeholder until you can afford something more you. I hope you get a lovely ring and a fantastic marriage out of the whole deal!

     
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    ILikePink    June 9, 2012   Minneapolis, MN

    @RachaelRobin- Okay, I will call you materialistic. You said it yourself: "I do consider my engagement ring to be an extension, in the material form, of my FIs love"

    My FI could buy me a 25c ring from a gumball machine, and I'd still know he loves me as much as he does. What your ring looks like has nothing to do with how much your FI loves you. Look at all the wealthy men that put a rock on the finger of their wife, only to cheat on them. I think Petunia could try to see that he SO just isn't in a place where he can afford something better, and be happy that the man she loves wants to marry her.

    I wish I was strong enough, like some women, to not even need a ring at all. But alas, I am a little vain and materialistic as well, and requested a very beautiful Moissanite ring because of the ethics involved. If I were to follow the  "traditional" strategy of ring pricing, my ring would have needed to cost about five times more, but I make no connection between the cost of my ring and my FI's love. Love isn't something that is expressed through material things.

     
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    Loribeth    December 1, 2010   Michigan (Married in Savannah, GA)

    Statistically, people look at their wedding rings more than they look at their spouses... The ring is always with, whereas the spouse isn't. So I don't think there is anything wrong at all with wanted a ring that you love as much as you love the person who gave it to you.

    My mom always jokingly said it was as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is to fall in love with a poor one... And I always told her that would be true if it were as easy to find the rich ones as it to find the poor ones.  Here's something that is true though... Only look at what you can afford, and it will be as easy to find a ring that you love and can afford as it is to find a ring that you love and cannot afford.  

     
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    daniellemybelle    June 19, 2010   Baltimore, MD

    My mom offered me the diamonds from earrings my dad gave her for an engagement ring. Each stone was a little under 1/2 a carat so we would have just used one as a solitaire. I ended up turning it down not because of the size (though I did want a bigger diamond) but because my dad gave them to my mom and they are now divorced. It didn't have a good connotation for me. So I could understand you feeling the same way!

    However, if you can get past that and the main reason is the style/size of the diamond, you may want to at least look at it. Boys can be dumb sometimes. I can't tell you how many times my DH has misrepresented something to me just because he wasn't paying attention! It may be small but it may not be as small as he is making it out to be.

    If you see it and really don't like it though, I wouldn't settle, even though that's what so many here are telling you to do. You should feel happy and proud to show off your ring! If you want something inexpensive, you can get a clear gemstone like moissanite or white sapphire, or you could get a beautiful colored gemstone. 

    Of course, I am not going to tell you to not go into debt, because my DH did a 12-month no-interest payment plan on my engagement ring. Neither of us regret it one bit. It would have postponed our marriage by up to another year if he had saved up the money to buy it outright because he was in the first year of his career and didn't have any savings. I'd much rather have a monthly payment and be married with the ring I truly wanted than have waited, or settled.

     
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    rachaelrobin    January 16, 2011   Philadelphia

    Fair enough - I never mentioned that there was a price tag associated with my FIs love though, or that his love equals my engagement ring.  It is a nice sentiment and all idealistically, but realistically I don't think that holds up well.

     

     
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    bakerysensei    November 11, 2011   Chicago, IL

    it's just a ring.  honestly.  and this is just the first of a LOT of major expenses to come if you're doing the whole wedding thing too.  i would keep that in mind.

    and until you see mom's diamond, don't rule it out.  it's very possible it oculd be used with some other stones to make a really awesome ring.  maybe it's fabulous as is.  you need to see it.  and remember that it's just a ring.

     
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    mcnetn3    August 13, 2011   North Carolina

    Also, halo settings are good if you want to make the ring look bigger than it really is.  My friend has a 3/4 ct round stone (not that that is small, I'm just using this as a comparison) in a halo setting that really makes the ring look bigger b/c the setting covers a larger % of her finger.

    We finally had the ring talk....disappointed :  wedding engagement ring 1236883427 1P1816CRP

     
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    @ILikePink: Pretty harsh comments, I think most of us want to be happy with our engagement rings and that doesn't make us materialistic, obviously the marriage is important but for a lot of us, the ring is important too...Not necessary to get all judgy and self-righteous on us, it's really not helpful at all...

    And Petunia123, I think you should look at the diamond, see if you can get it set into something you're happy with (a pear halo is soooo pretty, I think!) but if not, I say you're perfectly within your right to politely refuse his mom's ring...

    The only thing to consider is if you don't take the stone, this may postpone the engagement as it means your BF will have to save up some money to buy one...So that's something to think about, do you mind waiting longer for a nicer ring?

     
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    ILikePink    June 9, 2012   Minneapolis, MN

    @TrailMix I was by no means saying that all of you are materialistic for caring about what your ring looks like. But I am saying that it's pretty materialistic to directly correlated your FI's love for you with your ring.

    I also didn't bring in that vocabulary. All my original comment said is that the marriage should matter more than the ring. I love rings, I wanted mine to be beautiful too, but I don't think love can be measured by ring size.

    I don't think I was being judgy or self-righteous at all, except towards the person who replied directly to my comment, telling me to call her materialistic.

     

     
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    MissTatas    August 6, 2011   Minneapolis, MN

    Someone I know has the most gorgeous setting in the world, and put in a 1.25ct CZ until her FI is able to purchase an actual diamond. The stinkin ring is STUNNING and no one has the slightest clue it is not a diamond. It is crazy how many compliments she gets on her center stone. I think thats a very good option if you would like something bigger, can't afford it right now, and don't want to wait for a ring

     
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    oracle    October 23, 2010   Los Angeles

    I think you should have an honest talk with him.   Explain to him that you don't need a HUGE rock - but you don't want a tiny speck either.  Tell him you trust his ability to both plan for and make the decision as to what kind of ring he'd get you... and leave it at that.

    I think there is something very important about a man finding the ring he wants to give his woman.  I don't know what it is  - but it's a thing of pride and independence.  If you want to give him more pointers - perhaps you guys could go ring shopping together so you could point out things you clearly like or clearly don't like.

    As for the mom's ring - I'd blame the pear shape, personally - and use that as the out.  Figure out what shape stone you want and go from there.

    Also - there are ways to get around the crazy prices for rings - independent jewelry shops and/or jewelry marts will have better deals than chain retail stores.

     
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    menobride    June 5, 2011   NH

    Small accent stones are very inexpensive. You could put more stones around the one from his mom's ring.

    Bring the ring to a private jeweler, NOT a store in the mall. I cannot tell you how much money we saved going to someone that does not have the overhead stores have!

     

     
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    NatDawn    July 2012  

    If you really dislike the Diamond, can't you trade it in/sell it and take a few extra dollars and get what you want? (If it is alright with FMIL and FI of course)

    Either way, try to be happy you are getting ENGAGED instead of wasting that energy on being disappointed by the diamond/ring. It is a real shame for you to miss out on this once in a lifetime, time in your life. You are making memories! I am sure in 10 years, you will look back and ask yourself why you spoiled this exciting time for yourself!

     

     
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    menobride    June 5, 2011   NH

    I second the bee who said if you have any old jewelry that you can part with, do it! Gold is incredibly high right now. I dug through and found stuff I never wear and got $700! I was so shocked!

     
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    Petunia123    October 29, 2011   Baton Rouge, LA

    Thanks so much for all of the great advice.  I definatley am excited at the idea of finally being engaged to the Boy no matter what the ring happens to look like.  We've been together for a while and I can honestly say I've never been happier.  I know that the most important thing is the marraige, not the ring. 

    I'm guessing that selling the mom ring and using money for another ring is not an option.  I have not seen the ring and I'm guessing that the Boy's description might not be totally accuratet....my Boy usually just describes jewlery as shiney :) At most if we decide not to use if for a ring, I would consider getting it re-set as maybe a necklace or sometihng like that if she would like me to have it.  After all, the ring was offered to Boy's brother's wife first - so I'm not sure how she would feel about it.

    If we do go with the mom ring diamond for my ring, I have looked at the halo settings and actually am starting to warm up to that look.  It would definately be a unique ring, as its not something everyone has. So that would be a plus. 

    I'm planning to just be honest with him. Explain how I appreciate and am greatful of the offer of the mom's diamond.  I also think that I at least want to tell him my other ideas: if he feels comfortable with us financing a new ring (definately nothing too pricey - sinece we are not trying to go crazy with this) and paying it off together we could do that; if his mom's diamond is the only choice, then see if he would be ok with me showing him settings that I like.  I believe he would be receptive to the idea that I would like the ring he proposes to me with be the ring that I wear forever.  So if he agrees with that and would rather not finance and thinks we should wait to save up some money for it, then I'm fine with that.  I am confident that we are going to be together, so I'm not stuck on the idea of needing to get engaged right away.  I know that he wants me to be his Mrs, so im my mind, we are already very very committed to each other.

     

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