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Ugh, that's awful. I'm sorry. You and your husband are the best ones to decide how to respond, but here's my outside advice, knowing nothing but what you've written here:
If she's extending any kind of olive branch, give her a chance - within limits. Don't get your expectations up, don't let her gossip to you about other family members, etc. But if she's been good to you two and the kids in the past, it's worth giving her the chance to do so again.
Wow--let me start with a big old hugs. It sounds like SMIL is a drama-monger and I'm sorry that you are dealing with this.
If everything was okay before relationship wise, I might give her the benefit of the doubt and meet her to see what she has to say. If she's been normal before, she might be wanting to apologize and redeem herself.
It sucks that your DH didn't have a good relationship with his father growing up, but I think it's great that you pushed him to start one for your stepson and that it is turning out well.
I think it needs to be a new rule for weddings that a sign will be posted at the entrance to the venue stating "This wedding is about X and X. Not about you. This wedding is neither in whole or in part intended to slight you."
@mightywombat: I very rationally agree with you but very skeptically believe that she's coming from a 100% selfless agenda. She may be looking at it as a way to bestow me with the honour of apologizing to her. I guess I won't know unless I talk to her though and there's nothing to stop me from telling her to stuff it and leave if she gets under my skin, LOL!
@nqz100: Thanks! I think normal isn't how you would describe this woman. She has to be the centre of attention at all times. I recently heard through a chain of people that she opened her door to two acquaintances buck naked and wouldn't take the hint to put on some clothes. Apparently you must brush the dog naked or else hair gets stuck to everything. She is a little coo-coo for cocoapuffs. LOL! Maybe she'll apologize, I just hope she's wearing pants and a shirt while she does it ;)
Thanks for your support ladies. It's honestly been weighing on my mind a lot lately and while I'm happy she's gotten in touch, I'm also pretty skeptical which is a sad thing in itself.
@helenberrycrunch: LOL! You never fail to make me laugh! Seriously, that list is the tip of the iceberg! I can't even remember the majority of her list of complaints!!! It's amazing to me that people can create something out of nothing and get so wrapped up in themselves that they can't possibly believe that one day doesn't revolve around them. Sigh.
ETA - I think your disclaimer should be standard on the bottom of each wedding invitation suite.
I think you should meet with her and see what she has to say. Most likely, as you said, she will not apologize and will expect you to. If it were me I would fake an apology to appease her and then just leave things alone. Stop feeding the "drama llama" as they say. Some things are just not worth the stress. Good luck in whatever happens and hopefully she'll realize how awful she has been.
@bakerella: I so thought my FMIL was the only flasher around! And while I like to be the center of attention (wedding is called the Nicole show, bachelorette party is Nicoleapalooza) she takes it to a whole new level!
I'd definintly be skeptical, too, since it could go either way and she could either apologize or continue the hissy fit. Let us know how it goes!
((hugs))
I agree with mightywombat, if she is offering to meet up then you should give her a chance. Obviously if your husband thinks you shouldn't go then don't, it is his family in the end.
First of all Kudos to you for handling yourself like a lady and not smacking her...like some of us ((cough cough)) would have done. i really feel like you have kinda done all that you can do and maybe you need to just let the sitaution go. Some people..esp older people are just stuck in thier ways. and misery loves company... Just stay focused on your goals as a married couple...and let sleeping dogs lie....
seems like FIL and your hubby are OK but shesh, SMIL is lovin' her drama - does FIL know shes like that so hes just rolling his eyes?
i would meet with her but i would be happier for it to be a group thing (family afternoon coffee with FI and FIL) to keep it neutral. i also would be very firm on the ground rules - if she starts her rubbish i would just say going over old ground isnt achieving anything and its time to move on, i would be prepared to walk away if she kept going - i would not friend her in life or online, keep the inlaw boundry very clear
Oh dear. It sounds like you have handled the situation extremely well!! I would have lost my shit while talking on the phone to that woman. I think you should meet her for coffee and I agree with @eloping: keep your boundaries clear and if she starts in with the crazy, let her know that you want nothing to do with her. And if she starts demanding an apology? OMG...that would just be crazy. She certainly sounds mentally ill.
This is so sad. I wish family werent such horribly complicated things, but they are. It sounds like you and your hubby are handling the situation perfectly and unfortuantely just have to keep playing it out.
Past hurt is a difficult thing to overcome and its sad that SMIL doesn't understand this.
I hope for your sakes she grows to realize this soon.
I just talked to DH and his response was "I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole" so I guess the ball is in my court. I'm thinking I'll meet up with her, but likely go to her house for a cup of tea or something so that way I have the option of leaving when I want to, and not be embarassed about other people overhearing what we're talking about. There are also no witnesses. Kidding kidding.
@eloping: FIL knows she's pretty nutso, but honestly, I think he just figures he has to deal with it. He adores her and she takes good care of him. I see them a bit like my grandparents though. My grandmother was pretty toxic to be around and they slowly lost all their friends because of her behaviour. Eventually it just became the two of them, and my grandfather believes in his vows, so he's stuck it out with her all these years. I think my FIL is the same way. He's decided he'll make this marriage work, for better or worse and that if he ends this one he'll have no one to turn to.
I just want to say thank you again to you ladies. I have to admit, sometimes I feel like because I'm a hostess here I shouldn't talk about the bad stuff that happens or show where I have weaknesses. I'm always the rock for people, and I don't often ask for help or support, so I appreciate being able to drop my guard around you all and get some love and advice from you. You guys are simply wonderful. <3
Wow! Your SMIL sounds like mine. Only she hasn't done all that yet since the wedding was only about 2 months ago. But she said some really awful things about DH and I in the past.
I really don't know what to tell you regarding going to coffee with her mainly because I wont go if my DH isn't coming. I am like that with my SMIL because I don't want to ever be alone with that woman, she finds ways to twist my words and I don't have time for the drama that will ensue.
If you go to coffee with her, go with your DH and his dad can come too. Really she has an issue with both of you so she needs to address them to both of you not just you. Just my opinion.
@bakerella: my mom is the same - people i call my family, people my mom immigrated from italy to australia with and we grew up with no longer consider my mom their friend because of her crazy opinions and attitude. its really sad but she has no one else to blame but herself if she is lonely. even her own children/grandchildren have little to do with her because of her antics
@Mochacoca: That's a really good point. I mean really, all of her points of contention when this all came about were about DH, his childhood, and his decisions surrounding the wedding (which I respected, rightly or wrongfully). I'm not sure how either myself or my parents got dragged into this. DH is still really hurt and upset by what she's said and I'm not sure if he would agree to see her. I think you're right that a sit down with all four of us would be more appropriate than just me seeing her. I don't have a lot to say other than I'm sad that she's damaged some already fragile relationships and that it hurts me to know that she's hurt my husband, FIL, BIL and miscellaneous other people in the process.
Take a friend and wear a wire.
Ok, so maybe I'm kidding about the wire.
I'd be tempted to take my mother or a friend, someone who knows the situation and can help you if needed. Kind of like here, support and a hug.
A friend was recently in an uncomfortable lunch and arranged for me to call at a certain time so she could claim an emergency if she wanted to leave.
*hugs*
Hope your meet-up goes well, and glad to hear that your DH and FIL are getting along despite it!
Hmm I personally wouldn't meet up with her. you don't HAVE to, especially if your DH and his father are continuing thee friendship despite her actions. (I read that they were, right?)
I just don't deal well with people jerking me around and playing games with me. I don't do the whole "Oh, you've been a raging bitch to me and you suddenly want to be friends now? SURE!"
I just don't play that game and you don't have to if you don't want to. I agree you should give people a chance, but I'm sure you've given her many.
@bakerella: Dude, I'm sorry. It really sounds like you did everything you could to make your DH, family, and yourself comfortable at your wedding. You've apologized for the things that you feel bad about and have dealt with her complaints about the stuff that you don't.
I agree that you are probably not going to get an apology from her and if she starts down the path of making more complaints, I would say "The past is in the past. I would like to move on". She brings it up again, I would leave. I would also not even think about "fake apologizing".
I think that it's perfectly fine to have a cordial, but distant relationship with this woman (if that's what you want). I know what it's like to have a toxic relative. You can make it through if you realise that a) she is dead wrong about you and your DH (including her crazypants feelings about his childhood) and that b) you aren't going to let her crazypants ways affect you. With my relative, I just stare at them when they say something that's insane. I don't tell them anything that could possibly be twisted (like "that's some weather we're having" sort of comments) and I do everything possible to not be alone with them. If it gets really bad, I try to think what my grandmother (who was a Lady) would do and how she would act...lol That has got me through many a Christmas and my wedding.
Hugs to you.
You know, being the bigger person really blows. I def agree with all the PP's in saying that you should meet with her. Listen and nod in all the right places, defend yourself when and if you need to, and try to make her realize again that none of this was done to her. This day was about you and your DH, plain and simple.
Salvage teh relationship as best you can, even if it's only for the kids. And then you can choose to be around her as much or as little as you see fit. She will never be able to say you didn't try to work things out in the long run.
I'm SO sorry you've been enduring this silently for so long. This should be a happy time. I will never understand why weddings bring out the crazy in some people.
I hope things get better. HUGS!
Hey, just wanted to send out positive vibes. I hope that if you decide to meet with her for tea/coffee that it goes well. Dealing with family drama is no fun!
Thank you again ladies. I'm going to meet with her for coffee next week. We emailed briefly and cordially yesterday. My mom wants to strangle her still and doesn't think I should give her the time of day, but I'd like to think that maybe this could be salvaged some how. I'll let you know how it goes, we're planning on meeting up late next week. xoxo
@bakerella: (((((HUGS))))) Good luck, hun! And, even though you're a hostess (and a really awesome one at that!), you've still got your own life and hellish people to deal with. :) For all the help you've given us, I feel it's only right you also be on the recieving end. :)
I'm soooo sorry you gotta deal with the nutso SMIL. :( I hope it goes well and, I gotta admit, you're being a far better person than I would be!
Good luck!!!! and know we're here to support, give hugs, and say you're allowed to vent and call her names ;)
Just to follow up with you ladies and your very kind and good advice, everything today went really well. I think we were all right that she was extending the olive branch. She admitted to being wrong in some of her reactions (and actions) and said that she wanted to put it behind us and move forward with our relationship and being a family. We had a good chat, both were honest, and she was very kind and mature about the whole thing (honestly not her typical M.O. so it was very nice). So, we're going to move forward. I briefly talked to DH about it and he seems a little skeptical and I think he's still pretty hurt by some of what she said and did, but I'm hoping he can get through it and we can get back to being a family again :) I'm really happy and relieved at how things turned out. Thank you again for your love and hugs and support girls, you're the best!!!
@bakerella: Don't think that you can't turn to us when you are in need!! You are an awesome Hostess and we love you--warts (who we will will call SMIL) and all.
1) I'm glad things went well
2) Keep killing her with Kindness--suxs to have to rise above, but don't stoop to their level
3) Most importantly--the people in her life knows she's nuts. Stop worrying about what she is saying (whether the truth or not) because it doesn't matter--they either know she coo coo and take everything with a grain of salt or they do believe her and are probably just as insane!!
PS- still can't believe she wanted to be a BM and/or wear white!!!
@mmsva: LOL! Thanks! I'm hoping this is a new leaf for her. She seemed very genuine and I appreciated her being big enough to admit where she made mistakes and taking the step to contact me to talk about it. I'll give her brownie points where it's due and hope that it's a new start for us all. What's done is done right?
@bakerella: So sorry about this whole situation. You are a stronger person than most not to hold a grudge and let her try to make amends and even stronger for following thru and making an honest commitment to moving forward and forgiving. I think that in sharing your journey through this issue you are helping other Bees, and sometimes that is what being a Hostess is really all about. Huge (((HUGS))) to you lady, you are always such a great role model.
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I haven't posted about this because I was really really really upset about it at the time, and just hoped it would go away. So I'm hoping you all can give some advice (or just hugs) for this situation.
I'll start by saying that DH didn't have the greatest of childhood relationships with his father. His parents are divorced and his dad was pretty MIA from DH & BIL's childhood, never paid child support, would promise to show up but didn't, would routinely leave them literally on the side of a river so he could go fishing when he did have them, generally not a great dad. MIL struggled but got both boys through university and they are both wonderful people.
When I first met DH he told me his dad would never be present at his wedding. Over time, I encouraged a friendship between them to grow, and we would visit with my FIL and his wife a few times a year. This was partially also for the sake of my stepson, we wanted him to have a good relationship with all his grandparents. FIL and SMIL have been wonderful grandparents, and I honestly can't help but feel if my FIL is making up for the mistakes he made with his own sons.
Leading up to the wedding, I knew we wouldn't be able to do everything to please everyone because there were so many politics and emotions floating around. We made the decision not to include FIL and his wife in the receiving line because we didn't feel it would be appropriate. They were not involved in the planning (or really in DH's childhood) and the idea of someone saying thank you to them made me uncomfortable. I had asked DH if he wanted a formal photo with his dad and stepmom, and he said no. In hindsight, I really should have pushed him to agree with it, but I didn't and that's my one regret. DH was very adamant about the roles and boundaries of where his father was to be involved in our wedding day and I respected that. FIL and SMIL walked down the aisle, had boutineers, were in the program, etc.
FIL and SMIL gave us a very thoughtful "day" on our honeymoon. They arranged massages for us, sent down hand written notes for us to read at breakfast and dinner, and had photos of all of us at the wedding put up in our room (a little weird but the thought was nice). It was very very nice of them and we expressed our gratitude many times.
Fast forward about 4 months. SMIL writes passive aggressive notes on some of my Facebook albums from the wedding about FIL not being in the photos. I delete them and message her to ask her if she wants to talk about something. We talk on the phone and this HUGE drama unravels that I swear to you was entirely in her head. Apparently our entire wedding day was constructed to hurt her and my FIL. DH and I are evil people who exist to torture them. Here are a list of her apparent complaints (I wish I were joking):
DH and his dad talked, hashed things out, and have continued on with their friendship as is. Everything is fine. They agreed that my FIL & SMIL's involvement in the wedding was appropriate as to their relationship and level of involvement in our life. She kept dragging things on and on and on. When you thought things could get worse, they did. I blocked her on FB and told her I needed a break. That didn't go well.
I feel I should also mention that throughout our wedding day, she sat with a sourpuss on her face from start to finish. She got trashed and literally pole danced on a big wooden column at our reception. FIL sent her home and was clearly embarassed by her behaviour.
Over the past few months, I've felt sad that the small relationship we had got tossed aside so harshly by her and I was disappointed at how cruel and vindictive she had acted towards me and DH. She emailed me today to ask if I wanted to get together for coffee and I honestly don't know what to do. She said some really harsh things and literally ripped apart fragile relationships for no reason other than what I think was her own amusement. She loves drama. I'm going to discuss it with DH and I'm leaning towards meeting with her next week, but honestly, I'm already stressed and concerned about what she might say. She owes both me and DH a huge apology, but I know I'm never going to get one and that she expects me to apologize instead.
Part of me is very suspicious about the timing of his. DH told me that FIL and SMIL aren't talking to cousins of his any more (her closest friends I believe) because they finally realized said cousins are pretty much not very nice people and will only stay friends with you so long as they can use you for something. They've had a falling out and now I think she's looking for a new "bff".
If you made it to the end, congratulations. Sorry this is so long, it's been a long few months and a lot bottled up. Any words of advice or support are appreciated.