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    MissACS    March!  

    When we started planning our DW, we kind of had to cut the list severely because my family is ginormous, our budget isn't ginormous, and our space limited (in a private home). First cousins on my dad's side were not even invited, as it would have added nearly 100 on their own and I am not super close with any of them. Maternal cousins number fewer and were invited, as are less than 10 children.

    We also cut out +guest for singles.  The cut off was "living together or engaged" and this kind of helped us define a couple. It kind of softened the blow on the paternal first cousins not being invited too, shows we aren't just shunning them in favor of dates and random strangers.

    So my cousin and cousin's spouse are apparently getting a divorce. They're still friendly and have a few kids. I don't know the circumstances, and as far as I know, not many in the family know either.  It'd certainly be a shock to some people, including my grandmother. I offered to extend the invitation to the soon to be ex-spouse if it made things easier for cousin and the kids. This was declined and I was told "put me down for a guest, I'll bring a date."

    I explained our situation thoughtfully and apologized. I explained that for, space and budget  reasons, we were not having guests for anyone and this was across the board.

    I get an RSVP today and it has the guest! And an offer to pay for the guest and to let them know what the food costs for this person.

    This really really bugs me. So much so that I haven't been able to sleep tonight.  I feel like I am being put in a very awkward position.

    First, we have a guest policy and I have already made a deal about it to an aunt, and I know my best friend would probably want to bring her new boyfriend, but she understands where we're at with the cut-off. To make an exception now basically throws the whole damn thing out the window and I'd look like an ass for taking our stance initially.

    Second, I already told her no. She's being pushy and that irritates the hell out of me. Plus, it's not just food. Per person isn't just the catering.

    Third, "hey thanks, just announce your divorce at my wedding by bringing a random new person. Let's make it good and awkward, who has some other bad news they want to share? Let the good times roll! Who has weird medical results? Anyone's company closing their doors?"

    How do I reply to this? I want to maintain manners and be gracious, but at the same time, I feel like this is aggressive and somewhat rude.

    Need your good advice, Bees.

     
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    KMSull    August 7, 2010   Lexington, KY (via Atlanta, GA)

    Just say no.

    Especially if the divorce isn't finalized. That's not okay, and honestly, it's downright insensitive both to the ex (you think they won't find out they're bringing a date?!) and the fact that you're getting married! My manager tried to bring her boyfriend to a coworkers wedding... coworker was like "Um, you're married, btw. Don't know if you remembered that, but you should probably bring your HUSBAND to the wedding. And not your boyfriend".

     
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    crebre80    November 20, 2010   Baton Rouge, LA

    hmmm i'd just let her know that you have a guest policy for the wedidng and you aren't allowed to add another person.  but is it the type of DW wedding at a hotel?  i think your guest that requested to bring the extra guest may feel uncomfortable because this is the first event they will be invited to after the divorce and that has to be hard.  would their guest be allowed to come to the Destination, and just be unable to come to the wedding?

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    I don't know if the divorce is final or what, like I said, we don't know what is going on over there. They aren't exactly talkative and I didn't even acknowledge their separation, and I imagine it was news that I even knew about it, until I sent out the invites this fall and asked if Ex should be invited.

    But I don't know this date either.

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    It's at a private home. 

     
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    TingTing    September 12, 2010   Los Angeles

    wow, i'm amazed at how persistent (i'm wording it nicely here..) she is..

    just be firm. she is not being considerate, you don't have to be either. i am not telling you to yell at her, but just be very firm, or else, if you break your policy for her, you'll have many more headaches to come from other guests.

     
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    That was incredibly rude of her to just pencil in a guest without discussing it with you first.  "Let me know how much per head" is inconceivably rude.

    That being said, rude behavior, while annoying, is not really worth having a falling out over.  Just call her up, thank her for her offer to pay, but explain that it is not simply a money issue, your venue has number restrictions, and you are stretching the capacity as it is.  If necessary (though, really, less is always more), make a little joke about a shared family member who you know will start inviting a thousand more people if she finds out you made this single exception.  If she continues to press the issue, just hold firm.  Remain pleasant, but hold firm.

    As for your family finding out about her divorce at your wedding - well, there's really no fixing that, and no villains in that scenario.  It's completely understandable that she would not want to make that phone call to start spreading the word, nor should she have to do so just because you are getting married, any more than you have to expand your guest list just because she is getting back in the dating game.  If she simply wants her situation to become clear at a family gathering, it's understandable.  It's just the way it goes that your wedding is the first big family gathering.

     
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    crebre80    November 20, 2010   Baton Rouge, LA

    if it's a private home definitely let them know it's not a matter of paying the additional per head fee, that it's a private residence and there is simply no space, but you'll definitely understand if she's unable to make it and perhaps you can get together for dinner or something like that when you return.

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    Sorry, tired and flustered (thank god it's Friday, I am mailing it in). So I'm maybe not fully explaining. Maybe more details would help you guys...

    They live closer to my DW cite than I do. They live 6 hours by car, I live 4 hours by plane.  I don't see them, save for a random visit here or there.

    There is no real per-head extra cost at the home we've secured. The owner has said "about 50" and right now, we're looking at  about 30 including vendors with only about half of the RSVPs in. After getting the RSVPs in, hypothetically we be right there at the 50.

    I've already had a discussion with an aunt about the "engaged/living together" couple cut off.  She was bringing her boyfriend, I initially apologetically said no, and then find out they are living together, so I apologized and included his name on the invite. 

     
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    tea       norcal

    this is my single piece of wedding planning advice i give to all my friends: if you want to say no, just say no.

    reinerate to this person that the "no guest" policy and it's not about the money but that there is a definite space capacity that you're already hitting. there simply isn't room for extra guests. they might persist but if you hold your ground you'll feel a lot better.

     
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    zippylef    October 30, 2010   Norfolk, UK

    I would totally say no. Your other single guests will be upset that they didnt get to bring dates if you start making exceptions. Like you said, it will make you look like an ass for taking that stance in the first place.

    You already told her no once, just do it again.

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    Sending an email mentioning that as discussed a few months ago, we are not having "and guests" and that making exceptions is not only unfair to the other guests who have been told no "and guests" but also puts FI and I in an uncomfortable spot because we've already cut out friends and family from the guest list... 

    I'd rather restore some of those friends and family then let people start bringing people I don't know.

    I thought after a couple (literally) hours of sleep, I'd feel somewhat less irritated by it, but I am more angry now I think. Especially since I told FI and he was "wtf? Didn't we tell them no two months ago?"

     
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    Miss Meepsie    01/15/10   NYC

    I agree with all of the others. It's rude & you should stick to your guns. Also, stress the fact that it is YOUR day & that you and FI want to keep it intimate and you do not want anyone you don't know @ the wedding. Good luck & keep us posted.

     
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    Mrs. Louboutin    July 2010  

    Ok I'm going to be honest here.  What person in their right mind would actually have the gall to do that?  I mean, hello.  Could you get any ruder? 

    Stick to your guns and say that unfortunately, your venue has a maximum and your guest list is set.  It would be lovely for the four of you to get together so that you can meet +guest, but you will not be able to accomodate them at the wedding.

    It amazes me what some people do. 

     

     

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    @Mrs. Louboutin I know! And it's never who you'd suspect of being so rude, too.

    My mother was flabbergasted today when I told her.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    I'm with Mrs. Louboutin - I mean, really?! Who asks permission, gets told no, and then just does it anyway?! That's a *huge* pet peeve of mine. In this case, I don't think there's any possible detail that would make me change my mind on this - She asked. You said no. She explicitly ignored what you told her and just invited a guest anyway. That's inexcusable.

     
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    Jizes318    November 19, 2010   Miami

    Defintely stick to your guns... i still can't believe she is acting like that. I feel like she is being a pushover and totally disregarding your wishes!

     
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    contrarymary    October 17, 2009   Placentia, CA

    I agree with the girls...just say no! Its like our mantra.  "Can I bring a date?" "No!"... next person..."can I bring these extra people?"....NO!  

    and so on so forth.

    However, even with best intentions and this constant mantra to people, if you peeps are anything like my peeps its almost useless.                                     This happened at both my bridal shower and wedding.  At my bridal shower, in a nice restaurant, which i told everyone girls only, by rsvp, my aunt brought 3 extra older guests with her and she told me while she was driving in from out of town that same day and said she was going to pay me for their meal. What was she thinking it was, an open public buffet?  One of the guest was a man!  After eating, it looked like they were going to settle in and hang out when my aunt knew full well we were going to play some funny games.  Luckily, another aunt interceded and asked them to leave and hang out at the beach for a few hours.  AND the aunt never paid for these people! My mom  paid $200 for a few strangers meal. 

    Same aunt and my mother (which I still can't believe to this day) pull the same bs on our wedding day.   About ten extra people showed up who I know are friends of either the aunt or my mom (i see them talking to both of them in pix).  Once again, I was told of this new development the same day when everyone was driving in from out of town.   Luckily, my caterer didn't charge us extra.  And surprise surprise, I don't even know who those wedding crashers were because their was no gifts from any of them.

    Its truly appalling how rude and how much people lack manners when it comes to wedding functions.  

    Do not let them push you into doing something you don't want.  You will regret it.  (OMG sorry it sounds so dire!)

     
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    Ember78    December 15, 2012  

    Wow. People get more creative all the time being rude. Be firm with them and say that you don't have room for random strangers. If anyone is not able to respect that, then they need to decline and stay home.

     
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    cheeseburger    March 27, 2010  

    I'm so sorry this happened! I say go with your gut and politely say "I hate to disappoint you, but it wouldn't be fair since we already told other people that they couldn't bring a guest." I hope it goes well!!

     
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    ms.pascua    June 25, 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    I agree with you Bees...SUPER rude.  If it were me, I'd send Cousin an email or hand-written note, thanking her for her RSVP & that you have her down for ONE place, then continue with Miss Cheeseburger's note - "I'm sorry to disappoint..., but..."

    Then, to make sure that YOU don't have to deal with this on top of every other detail involved in DWs, ask your mom (it's her side of the family, right?) to troubleshoot any collateral damage. 

    Good Luck!

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    About a month to go and someone calls me today and tells me they need to add 2 people because they are unwilling to travel by themselves.

    Mind you, these 2 people have already RSVP'd no.

    So I send a msg that I need to get back to them on it, because we've planned around our RSVP number we've had.  I didn't elaborate, but I just needed a couple days to shuffle things around first. I got a irritated message back like 3 minutes later "OH JUST FORGET IT!"

    What the hell did I do wrong?Embarassed

     

     
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    Marinara    08/14/2010   San Francisco, CA

    I agree that you should totally say no!  If she doesn't like, then she can skip the wedding, right?  Geez, after her behavior, it seems like it would be better without her -- especially since the guest list is already cut down.  That is probably the rudest RSVP behavior I have EVER heard of!! 

    Sounds like she just doesn't care (about a lot of people -- you, how the family will take the news, feelings of her ex-spouse & kids).  Given that she has shown such a lack of regard, it doesn't seem like you should bend over backwards to give her special treatment that you haven't even offered your BEST FRIEND!  I wouldn't even worry about it and just write her an email/note letting her know that guests won't be included, you hope she understands, etc.  BE FIRM!!  She's just acting crazy :)

     
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    Holy crap! Be glad they said just forget it. You were definitely in the right... your guests are somewhat crazy!

    Good luck getting through this!

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    Marinara, this was a different guest! Unbelievably!

     
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    stargal34    August 21, 2010  

    def say no its YOUR wedding and thats crazy rude for people to just add people to your guest list. i've never heard of someone doing that!!!

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    Someone else, after finding out there wasn't going to be much in the way of single ladies at the wedding, asked if he could bring a date and pay for her.

    DENIED. I am not Chuck Woolery and I cannot guarantee a Love Connection at my wedding. Go or don't go.

     
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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    That is so annoying! It's rude to ask what the cost is per head, like they are in control of who comes if they can fork over the $. It's a wedding, not a party and they have to say yes or no based on the decisions you have made as the bride and groom.

    My coworker just had this happen - his wedding is in NYC and a guest from CA replied with a guest who wasn't invited with a plus 1 and offered to pay. I said that was really pushy and he should have just declined if his response was conditional.

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    The other thing too, its not just the food. It's the entire cost of rentals, services, vendors, food divided by amount of people using them.

     
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    KLP2010    October 30, 2010  

    exactly! People just think of food, they don't realize they could be sitting on a $14 chair, $4 worth of plates and glasses, and more. 

    Sorry you're guests are being dramatically unfair.

     
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    Ms. Caniche    September 18, 2010   Orange County, CA

    Tell her that you do not make the rules, the fire marshall does... so you cannot have anyone else at the wedding because you have reached capacity.

     
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    EFRAU    October 30, 2010   West Covina, CA

    People can be so rude! I would stick to "No" if you make the exception, who knows, someone else might try this with you!

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    Its funny but I'm sort of used to it by now. It's amazing how easy it is to say "NO!" to people. :)

     
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    Rocktsrgn    May 22, 2010   living in Tucson, wedding in Atlanta

    @OP - it sounds like your guests are full of the crazy!  But you seem to be handling it well!  I hope that this is the end of it, and that you have an awesome wedding!

     
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    mhirni    September 12, 2009   Oakland, CA

    I am amazed at the audacity of some of your guests!  It would never even occur to me to ask someone if I can bring a date when my invite specifically did not include a +1, let alone offer to pay like it is only a money thing.  Weddings are special and emotional and personal in ways that other parties just aren't.  You have a vision for your day, and having a few extras there may not seem like a big deal to people who aren't close to you, but it can mean all the difference to you.  Some people are just clueless.

     
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    Let's think about what's really important here - YES it's rude and she's basically unbelievable...I agree with everyone on that. But to me the biggest issue is how are YOU going to feel on your wedding day with a potential time-bomb waiting to explode between family members? That is NOT something you should have to be thinking about on your wedding day - it's bringing unnecessay drama into an already overwhelming experience. Let's face it, as wonderful as it is to have all our family and friends together, emotions can run high. I think that any bride has the right to try and minimize and negativity that might take place on that day, especially when we are talking about asking a complete stranger to your wedding - not a family member that you just don't "feel" like having or something.

     
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    MissACS    March!  

    I don't quite understand what the timebomb is.

     
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    JustlikeHeaven    March 6, 2009  

    WOW how rude!

    I hope you get YOUR way with this guest!

     
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    ArwenBride    December 4, 2010   Toronto, ON

    I think that Kellyrwn may be talking about people ranting at the wedding?  Or that people will be pissed and say something to you at the wedding and setting off some sort of CRAZY reaction...and that she doesn't want you to be worried about it?  I'm not sure.

    In any case, it sounds like you've done an awesome job navigating all this crazy, MissACS.  If something like this happens to me, I hope I can show this level of level-headed behaviour.  Sometimes, people just suck.

     

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