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I know that we come from so many different backgrounds and different educational backgrounds, and I am wondering what you ladies think of homeschooling?
Also, everyone is going to have had different experiences meeting different types of homeschooling families..
I have a cousin who home schools. I think its very unfair to the kids upto a certian age. Her oldest has been saying as long as I can remember he can't wait until he is 18 to move and have a "normal" life. The day he turned 18 that is what he did moved away :(
I have a hard time getting on board with it in cases where there's not a qualified professional teaching kids. If one of the parents is a teacher, that's different. But I've seen a lot of cases where the reason the parents are homeschooling is because they don't want their kids taught evolution, etc. Some extremists twist events of history, etc, to fit their agenda and that can give kids a very twisted worldview.
I also know that for me, the social aspect of school was very important. On the flip side, I know there are groups of homeschoolers that get together and go on field trips, etc, constantly, so that might be a place for that community and socialization.
Personally I think going to school and learning to interact with many different people in an academic as well as playtime atmosphere is very important to a child's social development.
However, if the only options are a terrible/dangerous school environment or high quality home schooling, then I can understand the reasoning behind it as long as the child is involved in other oganizations with other kids their age (i.e. girl/boy scouts, sports teams, etc).
I just cannot get on board with it to be honest for reasons people have mentioned above so I won't bother to reiterate.
To each their own--the social interaction I had was invaluable, so I would prefer that my (hypothetical) kids attend public school. But I respect people that make that choice for their children.
@lilyfaith: I am of the same mind about the main reasons I've seen for home schooing are "not wanting to teach evolution" or other "radical" curriculum choices. The other reason I see a lot is paranoid parents who don't want to ever let their children out of their sight in case they get hurt. I feel living in a very sheltered environment can be harmful to a child's well being and development.
I think it really depends on the child and the parents, but it does make me nervous when parents prefer to homeschool for religious reasons.
I believe I'm with teaandtoast on this one. Like with so many other things, I imagine that there are some significant advantages and disadvantages to home schooling. I also imagine that it depends on the type of person teaching and the type of child being taught. Personally, I'm looking into Waldorf schools.
Doubt I'd ever do it myself. I think it works out well for some but I think some people use it as a crutch. Others are too overprotective, and others turn out great!
As a mom, I totally don't get homeschooling. Ok, so I do get wanting your child to have the best education possible and I understand wanting to shelter your children from "bad influeneces." But when I was a stay-at-home mom, I LOVED the fact that my kids WENT to school and I had the house to myself for a few hours a day. I cannot imagine wanting to actually DO the homeschooling myself.
On a more serious note, I do have some reservations. I worry about the lack of interaction with other children. I feel that socialization is a very important aspect of school for children. I also can't imagine every parent who chooses to homeschool has both the education and the temperment to do it. I can't begin to imagine what it takes to teach calculus AND physics and literature and history and a foreign language, etc. all on the high school level.
Having said all that, a friend of mine homeschooled her children and they are some of the brighest, most polite, and just fun to be around kids I know. They recently transferred into a private high school and both are doing VERY well both academically and socially.
When I was in high school I actually begged my mom to homeschool me! She wouldn't.However, we did come to a compromise. I only went to traditional school half day and was homeschooled via an online charter school (although then it was by mail) by taking correspondence classes. My mom actually had to pay for me to do this and get it approved by the school board, but I loved it!!!!
I was a competitive figure skater so I did this in order to make practices 1.5 hours from home and to train with better coaching. I wish I could have done it full time. I also learned more this way because in a sense I was teaching myself and everything I learned was reiterated when it was time to take exams. I also want to add I graduated high school with more than enough credits (more than double the amount of science credits needed), I also took AP classes, and graduated college with 2 degrees in 4 years.
Homeschooling isn't ideal for everyone. If you decide to do it and your child likes it, learns and thrives that's one thing, but if they hate it then I couldn't force it on anyone either.
I feel the need to play the devil's avocate somewhat (and I'm a teacher, so I totally agree with lilyfaith's perspective and I am totally for schools ultimately, BUT FWIW):
I don't subscribe to the idea that homeschooled children are going to have social problems--I think that's a convenient assumption. It's not like homeschooled children are locked away in towers and study all day. Most definitely interact with other kids--they sometimes work with other homeschooling families and oftentimes the kids are enrolled in a variety of after-school activities--Little League, AYSO, art classes--everything that other school children do. It's just the academic side that isn't in a classroom setting. So the idea that they're not socialized is not always true. I do worry about the fact that part of education is creating a learning environment in which kids learn from and help each-other and you don't necessarily get that from homeschooling.
You have to look at the reasons why people to homeschool and how homeschooling compares to other options. Yes, the majority of homeschoolers do so because of religious reasons, but there are a lot of parents out there who might live in rural areas and would have to travel hours to get to the nearest school or areas with underperforming schools without options for private schools or magnets, and then there are parents who have found that it makes the best sense financially--I have a friend who homeschools her 4 children because they can't afford to live in an area with good public schools and can't afford private school. Sometimes it really is the best option.
And I have to say that I knew a person in college who was homeschooled because his parents were fundamentalists and he was truly the kindest and most tolerant person I knew. Whether he was an exception and not the rule, I don't know though!
People tend to overly criticize homeschooling out of being uninformed. There are pros and cons to public schools, pros and cons to private schools, and pros and cons to homeschooling. It all depends on the individual situation. I was homeschooled, and when I graduated high school, I had three full-ride scholarships offered to me, as well as being a National Merit Scholar/Finalist. Homeschooling tends to produce A+ educated students (with parents that are diligent teachers) but with social barriers to overcome. Standard students are more highly socialized, but were not educated with a curriculum fine-tuned to their specific needs (unless they were in a class of 1-3 students). All this to say - any educational choice presents different pros and cons - you just have to pick what's right for you and the choice that matches your top priorities!
school days for me were really the best days.. theres so much fun in the interaction of students.. no matter how well educated the home schooler is, nothing replaces the actual experience of being in a class and interacting with teachers and other students and other school activites. school is not just about academics, it really is life changing experience that most of us dnt realise till you take the time to look back n imagine how differen your life and friends would be if you never went to school. i know that different people have different opinions but as long as far as my kids are concerned they will go to school.
I think for a very small select group of families it is a viable option. If you have someone qualified to teach kids, the children still have many outlets for social interaction with others their age (non-siblings), and the material being taught isn't twisted/ignored just because it doesn't mesh with the beliefs of the parents then I'm okay with it.
That said, I would never choose it for my own children even if DH or I were qualified to teach them. I think the enviroment of school (both the good and the bad) is really beneficial to the overall development of children and that as much as you can try to re-create similar interactions through homeschool groups and events, it just isn't the same.
@bells: I see what you mean, but think that there are other ways to ensure that your children are well socialized and have adequate experience relating to peers besides school.
A few families that I know of have homeschooling cooperatives, where children of same ages and ability levels spend a few days together each week, so that's one option. Sports, art classes and playgroups also seem like good ways to expose children to one another.
This is sort of a devil's advocate argument, but I think that there's something to be said in some cases for not wanting kids to learn how to relate to others primarily from a school setting. Bullying, cliques, pecking orders... Ick.
I worked at a private school for 2 and half years doing enrolments (interview process and all) and we had a lot of students come throught that were homeschooled.. Some coped, some didnt... but really it all came down to the 'type' and i mean that in a broad sense of parent that they had. Most of the kids came in highschool as the parent thought that they wouldnt be able to handle the higher education thats in these days. (like seriously, the year 12 math that they have going on, is enough for a NASA scientist to take on) the level of schooling that the parent had most often the case limited out in first year of highschool.
However there were 7 students out of 19 home schooled that enrolled that achieved in the top 1% percentile of the state wide ranking on final school results.
I just really think its varied on 1. the parent and 2 the environment the lessons are taught.
personally.. theres no way id home school my children. However if it was the only option other than sending the child to boarding school then I would do it...
Strangely enough, your last paragraph is part of why I think school is so important. Bullying, cliques, pecking orders; these are socila behaviours that are carried over into adult life and I feel that it really is quite important to learn how to deal woth that properly at a young age. I appreciate that lots of homeschooled kids are interacting with other children, but all the ones I know did not mix with large diverse group of people from varied back grounds, they mixed with people from the same background as theirs. Just my two cents.
Homeschooling definitely is the right thing to do for some children...not necessarily the whole family. My brother was homeschooled for a few years in high school because he had some anxiety problems and slight learning disabilities (ADHD) all through public school and even some in private school. He was never comfortable in school and home schooling was definitely the right thing for him. He loved it and my mom is a part-time teacher so she is very knowledgable.
On the other hand, homeschooling was not for me and never even considered because I liked my public school and did well.
Some people are misinformed and think that the children are sheltered but that's not true...my brother participated in a lot of outside activities and had a job while he was being homeschooled. My parents never thought about it until he was having issues and it was the best decision they ever made for him!
I think we often want to qualify things/choices as BAD or GOOD, when often it's more subjective. It's easier to justify our own choices if we can vilify other people's choices. If you've seen "Waiting for Superman", you can see that education overall in the US is really in big trouble. There is no perfect choice. And I guess for me, I don't want to sacrifice my kids' education - most schools don't offer geography or grammar anymore. It can't all be left up to schools - parents have to get involved, whether it's supplementing your homeschooling social training or standard schoolers getting those extra subjects (like geography and grammar) underneath their children's noses.
It's easy to dismiss other people's choices, but the reality is... no choice is perfect. For me, I come from a family that highly prizes education, so my kids will be going to the place that will help them achieve their highest educational potential. I can't say dealing with bullies, sexual harassment, etc is all that awesome in the standard setting. Again, it's all about your priorities, and what the schools are like in your area. And of course, not every parent can homeschool!!! There are so many two-parent working families, so those parents have to get involved with supplementing their child's education the best way they can.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no RIGHT choice - it's what's right for you. And choosing to send your child to a standard school doesn't mean that the homeschooled child is less than yours (or vice versa!) Everyone does what's right for their family; it doesn't mean they're any better at it than anyone else.
I would worry about the interaction, both with other kids and "the system."
I went to a semi-large high school (2,000), and when it came time for college, I was used to being a number. I knew how to get things done (whether it's homework or paperwork), because I knew no one was going to hold my hand. Most of our lives will be spent dealing with companies and the government, and they don't really care if you're having personal issues.
That's just my experience, though, and something I observed from people I went to college with. I don't think homeschooling is inherently bad or good.
Honestly I think you're asking for trouble with this thread. You were homeschooled and from that last thread it seems as though you feel badly that your type of upbringing is often disagreed with. I fear you're just going to get your feelings hurt again. But I guess you did post the thread so you want to hear the answers right?
IMO there are circumstances where homeschooling makes sense. If you live in an area with terrible public schools and can't afford to move or send your kids to private schools, for example. But in the absence of extreme circumstances I think it is a bad idea. Some parents I think can do well with it and really do provide great education and also enroll their kids in enough extra curricular type stuff that their kids do get socialized... but it seems that is the less common situation and that there is not enough oversight on these kids. There is value in the tried and true method of education, and beyond that I think there is GREAT value in sending kids off to school without their parents and siblings.
Having the ability to interact with people that are different than you- different race/religion/ideas/families- EVERYTHING- is so incredibly important to your success in the real world.
Not to be judgemental of anyone, but being book-smart does not equal being "street" smart (for lack of a better word). You need social skills and the many experiences of interacting with other people that schools provide. Now, that isn't to say that all homeschooled children don't receive that and homeschooling may be a better option for some kids but I also think children need to learn that the world doesn't revolve around them and that they need to learn how to work in a setting that doesn't focus entirely on them. Because that's how the real world is.
I don't think there is one right choice for everyone. I wasn't homeschool, but I grew up in a rural community where many people homeschooled their children.
I am the oldest sibling and I know that we were treated differently based on what we were able to achieve. I went to a super tiny school (110 in my graduating class) and literally ran out of classes to take after my sophomore year. So, I took colleges classes my junior and senior year. My brother and sister didn't do this - they are smart too, but they instead wanted to have a traditional highschool experience (participate in sports, hang out with friends, etc).
What I'm saying is that there are so many factors that one must consider when deciding on public vs. private vs. homeschooling. You're decision may be different when a child is in elementary school vs. highschool for example.
Note: There were no private schools within 45 minutes of where I lived. I had to drive an hour each way every day to go to college because that was the closest one.
@plantains: I agree with you. Why should kids be "sheltered" from the bad at school (cliques, bullying, etc.)? How does that prepare them for the real world?
I'm not a fan of homeschooling for most situations. I think schools teach social skills, diversity amongst teachers, and so many other important things that homeschooling doesn't offer. I personally don't think it is healthy for children to be with their parents all the time and I'm not sure a parent should be the person teaching academics. Riding a school bus, making friends at school..all these things were learning experiences and I wouldn't trade them for the world. Children learn so much at school by being on their own, away from home. I guess there are a few reasons why homeschooling would be better. (Live in bad school district, children with disabilities, etc.)
@plantains: Ah, I should've clarified. I would rather my kids understand that those types of systems exist, but not be so (necessarily) concerned with belonging or fitting in that they don't feel comfortable saying, "You know, this is bull****."
What I mean is, the idea wouldn't be to shelter them, but to make it possible for them to call a spade a spade without worrying that doing so will result in social ostracism. Everyone tells kids bullying is wrong. That it's bad to judge other kids because of what they wear, read, watch, listen to, etc. But then we say things like, "It's a fact of life" and talk about how it's important that kids learn that the world will involve being judged and learn to cope. Most kids, unfortunately, learn to cope by going along to get along because it's easier and, well, most of us do it, too.
I can remember how, in my third grade class we all piously agreed that discrimination was not okay, and that bullies should be punished. Then we went outside and ignored the girl who, I now realize, was from a much lower income bracket than we were, and regarded anyone who played with her as being socially untouchable. Because we were concerned with fitting in and being liked by the popular girls who set the rules.
I'd want my kid to see that for the hypocrisy it is, which I think is much harder to do if you're embedded in it all the time.
I think homeschooling is fine, if that's what other families are deciding is best for them. Who are we to judge other families? We certainly don't know what's best for them. Maybe the child is being bullied or the school district has terrible teachers. Even for religious reason. Who cares? It doesn't really change my life if a parent doesn't teach their child evolution.
Personally, I would have a terrible time homeschooling my kids. I have a hard enough time dealing with an hour or two of homework time. So I don't think taking on any more will work better. But if something was going on where my child couldn't be in the school environment, I'd do what I had to do.
I was a product of public school and my FI (soon to be hubby...in 3 days!!!) was a product of home school.
I loved everything about public school, from riding the bus to the awesome classes, to the teachers who have forever changed my life to the ridiculous pep rallys.
My FI loved everything about homeschool, 2 hours of school a day and then you could do whatever, intermingling with other homeschool children (which those people are still his best friends to this day), to going to college at 15.
There are pros and cons to both public school and home school. We will homeschool our children while they are younger and let them make the decision as to whether or not they want to go to public school at around middle school age.
This was the compromise we came to :)
I have a hard time talking about this, but I'm a homeschool "grad" too. My parents decided to keep my twin and I at home before we ever started kindergarden. They were very, very religious and had some other issues going on, and they believed that "God told them" to homeschool. When I was super little, it was fun - kind of like "playing school" only I was learning stuff. Basic math, how to read, etc - my mom's not a teacher, but she found books to help and we did learn to read, so I guess that was successful.
Later on, though, as they got more and more into religion our education got weirder and weirder. It became really narrow and all about the Bible. We learned how wrong/evil the idea of evolution is, for example, and some really weird stuff about US Government and History. Also, as we got older my mom's "deficiencies" (as I'll call them) became really apparent. For example, she's not super good at math past algebra, so trying to do math at a more advanced level than than was pretty much impossible. Also, science - especially lab sciences- are virtually impossible to do at home. When I got to college and was faced with micropipettes and gels and microscopes I just wanted to cry.
The most damaging thing, though, to me, was that I really feel like it negatively affected my relationship with my mom. I never felt like my mom was on my side - I felt like we had an adversarial reltionship from a really early age. There was never any break from her - I was with her, 24/7, and she felt like she constantly had to monitor me/us. So sometimes it was about chores, sometimes it was about school work. There was the regular "mom stuff" (take out the trash, put your shoes on, say please and thank you) and the "teacher stuff" (this is how you do x,y,z, use your best handwriting, why is your math lesson taking so long). In an ideal world, parents are advocates for their kids, but I never felt that with my mom. In fact now, I have a way easier time talking to/being with my dad, and I think it's partly because he was gone at work all day and I didn't get sick of him.
For the socializaion issue...I think it can be a problem. I know there are some homeschoolers who try to help their kids with this by doing "after school" activities and such, but my family wasn't one of them. We could only have "church friends" and we didn't do that many activities out of the house (seriously, going to the library was a major EVENT when I was a teenager). I'm still really socially awkward, and I don't know how to establish friendships with people, and I'll be 30 this year. Part of it could be my natural shyness, but I was never forced to go beyond my comfort zone (socially), so I never developed those skills.
Because of all that, I will never homeschool my kids.
I was overseas in most of my schooling years and many people chose to home school since they didn't trust the DODDS school or local schools. (Dodds = department of defense depends' schools). This is a good example of when homeschool is probably beneficial. I was in the UK but plenty of families are stationed in (non war) non english speaking countries where the base schools aren't superb nor are local. Germany, Iceland, Spain, Italy, Bahrain, Korea, Japan etc.
Also they move around so much it's easier just to stick with home schooling rather than switching teachers mid year. Often moves can take weeks or longer and you miss so much school transitioning and settling its easiest to homeschool while living in hotels.
I was homeschooled for a few years in elementary school - My mom didn't like the public school system in the city we lived in, so I was homeschooled until we moved. I can say from personal experience that it was hard to reassimilate into a new school, with new kids, and that I was very socially awkward for a long time.
That's not to say that it was wrong - or that it can't be done. In the first city there was a huge homeschool community and it allowed me to make friends with other kids similar to my situation, so if this is available it can be a viable option for social interaction. If the correct cautions are taken to ensure that your child is enriched in all areas, including academic and social, with opportunities to make friends and become independent individuals, then sure - it can be right for some families. I won't be doing it for my kids, but to each his own! :)
I can't imagine ever wanting to homeschool my kids because I never had any interest in being a teacher. I don't want to make lesson plans, or play with blocks, or teach math. No thanks!
I was lucky and went to a super expensive private, non-religious, day school (on scholarship..haha) I feel like my education there was invaluable. We were doing algebra in 5th and 6th grade!
Unfortunately, due to financial reasons, I had to go to public high school. Even though I went to one of the better ranked public high schools in this area, it still really sucked. Classes were overcrowded, books were old and the facilities are garbage.
So hopefully my imaginary children will get to go to private school for their entire education. I am going to law school so one day I can afford that $22,000 a year tuition! Hahaha....
Wow! So many posts!
@CorgiTales: Oh yeah, I am not hurt by this at all, I was just wondering what people thought. :D I am super used to the sterotypes, assumptions, and all that Jazz. Even I have reservations about certain people that homeschool, and agree that they should not be "teaching" their children.
~I don't really have anything to say in particular to anyone, because I am not here to defend homeschooling, because every family does it for different reasons and there are many different ways to go about the whole process. Socialization is a huge issue, and children do need to understand how to function in society properly...I had plenty of opportunities to do so. I took choir/band/drama at a public high school, and got along just fine with a ton of people and still talk to some of them today.
I wouldn't trade my education for anything, but I do understand peoples concerns and hesitations about it. I have enjoyed reading the posts!
I'm sure it's a great option for some people, however, I did notice that all of the stranger ducks I met my freshman year in college just happened to have been home schooled. Could've been a coincidence, sure, but all of the home schooled kids' lack of social skills was definitely noticable.
@lezlers: My husband and I (we we both homeschooled, but met in college, in Econ class...) sometimes meet nerdy/socially awkward former homeschoolers, and are we are super happy that our parents raised us and let us leave the house and do stuff with other people..
I was homeschooled through elementary school and I really think it worked out well for my education. I still had lots of friends and probably spent more time playing and socializing then I would have at school. Since I could go at my own pace I could get through my work faster and have all afternoon to play with my friends. (Several other neighborhood kids were homeschooled and my brother is only a year younger then me.)
Once I started public middle school I remained 2 years ahead in math but adjusted the rest of my studies so I would stay with my peers.
Having spent a fair amount of time tutoring at public schools I see how vastly different everyone learns. I hate the idea of holding a child back (or trying to push them past what they're ready for) because there aren't enough instructors for all the children.
All of that being said I will probably homeschool my children through elementary (depending on the children of course!) and then enroll them in public school so they can have all the benefits or school sports, dances, etc.
This is sort of a devil's advocate argument, but I think that there's something to be said in some cases for not wanting kids to learn how to relate to others primarily from a school setting. Bullying, cliques, pecking orders... Ick.
I see what you're saying but disagree. In order to be properly socialized, you have to be exposed to all different types of social environments, both good and bad. How is little Billly going to learn how to deal with cliques and bullies if he's never been exposed to them? Chances are, he's going to run into them in college and even in the professional world. Better to learn how to deal with them at a younger age than be totally unprepared when faced with them later in life.
For those that made the comment about homeschooling limiting interactions with different race/gender/social class/etc just remember that geographic location can also influence this!
When I was in grade/high school everyone was basically from the same race/social class (I'm from central PA which since has changed). There were a few exceptions but for the most part this is how things were. When I went to college (in NJ) things were totally different!
You encounter so many different people that sometimes simply where you grew up, regardless of where you recieved your education, cannot prepare you. I'm not saying I struggled with this or anything or had a hard time adjusting/socializing. I'm just trying to point out that sometimes people are limited in certain "street smarts" based on geographic location.
@lezlers: True. As I said, I was mostly putting it out there as a thought to be bandied around.
I suppose I just worry because, for most kids, the process of "learning to deal with cliques and bullies" usually involves caving to social pressure, which is udnerstandable. It's hard enough not to fit in as an adult, let alone at age eight.
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