(Closed) What do you think will happen in the next 10-20 years with Conservatives?

posted 7 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: 10-20 years from now, the main conservative party will be...
    Republican Party - same as today : (8 votes)
    13 %
    Republican Party - in name, but with more more religious-based philosophies : (19 votes)
    32 %
    Republican Party - in name, but with more of the Libertarian party philosophies : (14 votes)
    23 %
    Libertarian Party : (8 votes)
    13 %
    Constitution Party : (0 votes)
    Other : (6 votes)
    10 %
    Doesn't matter - we'll have a revolution by then because citizens are so ticked off at government : (5 votes)
    8 %
  • Post # 3
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    Newbee
    • Wedding: April 2013

    I’m an independent, but my favorite internet cartoon is Toothpaste for Dinner.

    Post # 5
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: August 2010

    @abbyful: I used to classify myself as libertarian, but dont anymore after DH volunteered for a campaign with a libertarian candidate in our district. We went to a Libertarian convention (and met Ron Paul) and the people were SO crazy!

    Post # 6
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @abbyful:

    How can you have a small government but yet want human rights and freedom?  Who/what will grant these freedoms and rights if there is such a small governemnt, and if it was up to true libertarians no governement, becasue all the power would be with individuals?

    I just don’t understand your stance at all.

    Post # 8
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: August 2010

    maybe i shouldn’t be answering this question since i’m unabashadely liberal, but i just wanted to chime in from a historial perspective and say that the parties have changed internally in a ton of ways over time, and i’m sure will continue to do so as constituencies and values/norms shift over time. for example, before fdr/the great depression, the parties were almost the opposite of what they are now; hoover, a republican, hugely increased the size of the federal bureaucracy.

    also to some of the pps commenting on liberatarianism broadly, i don’t think that’s what abbyful started this thread about; this isn’t a debate about political beliefs, is it? rather the direction on one of the main parties. tons of issues don’t fit evenly into the bipartisan divide, so it’s an interesting question

    Post # 9
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    Bumble Beekeeper

    I sincerely hope this topic stays on track and that people stay respectful of one another, despite differing opinions.

    @abbyful: I’m not conservative, but I think what you said about people our age not identifying with the two party system is true in a much more broad sense – very few of my friends are willing to associate themselves with one party or the other (well, here in DC a lot will do so on paper, because that’s the only way to vote in the primaries, which are ultimately a lot more important in a city with such an overwhelming majority in one direction). In my observation, more and more people are focusing on specific issues, and less on broad party alliances.

    I’m not a political buff, but it seems to me that the two party system has an underlying assumption that if you think X (not A) then you’ll also think Y and Z (not B and C) – meaning the assumption is that most people should/would agree with a given party on the majority of issues. But I tend to disagree with that. I feel like political issues are too complex to generalize that way, and just because I think A and C does not mean I can’t also think Y, if that makes sense.

    I also think most governments need to continually be adapting and changing in order to survive – that’s one of the big strengths in limiting number of terms in office, IMO, because it forces us to change (ideally to grow, haha) every 4 or 8 years.

    Anyway, just my two cents. 🙂

    Post # 10
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @finnaroo:

    I’m not trying to debate, I’m trying to understand.  I see that a lot Socially liberal, to me that means that society works all together to help citizens with unemployment, health care, and education.

    A Liberatrian governemnt would not be any part of this.  The only function of a libertairian governemt is to protect individuals from coercion and violence, the rest is up to the individual.

    @abbyful:

    I guess I’d like to know what’s your definition of socially liberal is?

    Post # 12
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    Ugh, I hate when people say “fiscally conservative but socially liberal”.  All that says to me is ‘I don’t want to be associated with the conservative social policy, but I really don’t want to pay for anything either.’  

    I think that @Brandiola‘s comic is dead on.  Democrats want more social equality and resources and are willing to pay more in taxes to get there.  Republicans don’t want to pay for anything, but are also willing to let everyone fend for themselves.  I think that people can be ‘moderate’, but saying you’re libertarian is a total cop-out IMO.

    Post # 13
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    Worker bee

    As finnaroo pointed out, political parties are always changing. The Democratic and Republican parties stand for completely different things today than they have in the past. Political ideologies are always changing, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the Republican party did gradually change into another political ideology. 

    Personally, I don’t think we should have a 2-party system. It is ridiculous. George Washington warned us against having only 2 parties in power in his farewell address, and I think he was right. There is absolutely NO way that every single citizen in the United States (even a majority of them) could fit their beliefs into one of two parties. I know I can’t, which is why I am an independent. I have different opinions on every issue; why should I try to fit my views into such a limited scope? Honestly, I’m really sick of having only two parties (honestly, all they do is try to “win” and take down the other, it’s like they’re in high school or something), and I would be really happy if we made more ideologies readily available to the American public.

    Post # 14
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @abbyful:

    That makes sense. If i were you I’d refrain from calling myself socially liberal, since social liberalism is a real belief (not verbatim definition each word) that basically believes that the role of the state is to address economic and social issues such as unemployment, health care, and education while simultaneously expanding civil rights, which does not seem to match your beliefs, and is confusing to me and it seems like @socalmeli as well.

    @socalmeli:

    I think abbyful has expalined herself well, so sometimes its good to read the whole thread.  There are not just 2 parties which people fall into and being libertatrian is far from moderate.  I don’t see how it is a cop out in any way.

    Post # 15
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @ttwo2:

    Really there are 2 parties?  Could have fooled me!

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