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posted 2 years ago in Legal
  • poll: Do you support what they are doing?
    yes : (21 votes)
    60 %
    no : (11 votes)
    31 %
    not sure : (3 votes)
    9 %
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    sjones724    07/03/10   Frederick MD

    How is it ok that they are trying to pass a bill on to the president without even voting on it?????

     
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    caitlanc    September 12, 2009   Western Slope of Colorado

    I feel like I've been living under a rock.  I haven't heard about this.  ??

     
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    teaadntoast    04/23/2010   New York, NY

    Clarifcation, OP?

     
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    greenleafmountain    7.31.2010  

    Uh, that's not what's happening at all. I'm assuming you're talking about heath care. A bill passed both the house and the senate, but the two versions were different, so they're basically combining the two.  It's called reconciliation, and despite what the alarmists say, it's a perfectly common way of passing laws. Both Republicans and Democrats use it all the time.  Remember: cable news stations make money by getting as many people to watch as possible- thus it's in their interest to make every little thing out to be the end of the world. That's capitalism.

     
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    monitajb    July 17, 2010   Sacramento

    Health care? They, uh, are voting.

     
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    gabrielleelise1981    August 28, 2010   Portland, Maine

    Well said, greenleafmountain!!

     
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    lilyfaith    June 23, 2012   Lakeview, Chicago

    Um, can you explain? I don't see what you're talking about. I think "deem and pass" is what you're going for, and it's used often as far as I know.

     
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    sjones724    07/03/10   Frederick MD

    No they are not doing reconciliation anymore they are trying to use the slaughter solution.

    The Slaughter Solution is a plan by Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY), the Democratic chair of the powerful House Rules Committee and a key ally of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), to get the health care legislation through the House without an actual vote on the Senate-passed health care bill.  You see, Democratic leaders currently lack the votes needed to pass the Senate health care bill through the House.  Under Slaughter’s scheme, Democratic leaders will overcome this problem by simply “deeming” the Senate bill passed in the House - without an actual vote by members of the House.   Posted by Dave Schnittger on March 10th, 2010

     
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    sjones724    07/03/10   Frederick MD

    Im not trying to cause a fight or anything i just dont understand how it works and is legal?

     
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    teaadntoast    04/23/2010   New York, NY

    Perhaps OP is upset about the way the vote will be carried out?  The Republican party isn't very happy with some of the options (self executing rule, etc).

     
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    SweetAdelineXO    June 5, 2010   NJ

    Stop watching Fox news. It's bad for your health. Tongue out

     
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    sloth    May 14, 2011   Philadelphia, PA

    This should help explain: http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/98-710.pdf

     
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    Arachna       nyc

    It is indeed legal.

    Republicans have done it before.  Which makes it a little bit iffy for them to complain now no matter what one thinks about the politics involved.

     
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    Puggy    November 27, 2010   Southern Indiana/Northwest Florida

    Yes, I totally support this, or else, nothing would ever get done. Have you seen them bicker? Not pass things out of spite? Well, personally, I helped vote this president in and by doing so, I gave him my vote to carry things out. I honestly wish they would do more of it, so that as a country we aren't constantly in limbo waiting for change that won't happen.

     
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    teaadntoast    04/23/2010   New York, NY

    Hookay. 

    The House makes its own rules, so if they want to make it such that a particular bill may be passed on the basis having been deemed so, conditional "aye" votes ro whatever, they can.  It would be perfectly legal.

    Whether or not it would be Constitutional is something else again.

     
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    sjones724    07/03/10   Frederick MD

    Thanks danadelphia, im not taking sides or anything this is just the first i heard of this and i dont think i like it, no matter what side is using it.

     
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    lilyfaith    June 23, 2012   Lakeview, Chicago

    I highly suggest reading this:

    http://www.watchblog.com/democrats/archives/006986.html

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    There will be a vote, and the headlines are misleading and inflammatory.

    Meanwhile, confusion (willful and otherwise) fans the flames of panic on both the left and the right, the right insisting that self-executing rules (not counting the 200+ Republicans used) are, "the greatest constitutional crisis since the Civil War.  It would be 100 times worse than Watergate," and the left worrying that the procedure creates constitutional problems.

    The House, under its constitutional prerogative stemming from Art. I, Sec. 5, determines its own rules of proceeding. All the Constitution requires of it is that approval of bills be signaled by a recording of the yeas and nays in its Journal, and that the same text be agreed to by both houses of Congress. By agreement under the rule, the House will indeed signal its agreement by the yeas and nays to the language of the Senate bill, but it will do so with its vote on the reconciliation bill.

    It's no different than when the Senate agrees by unanimous consent to a House-passed bill. Or when the House takes up a motion to agree to the Senate version of a bill, as opposed to bringing the bill itself to the floor and voting on that. The House determines for itself, through its own rules, whether it will accept a Senate bill by calling it to the floor and voting on it directly, or instead by agreeing to a motion to agree to the Senate version.

    I think it is really important that we all pay attention to what is *actually* going on and dig a little deeper than inflammatory headlines.  Those are used to get you to watch Fox, CNN or MSNBC, but often provide little information.  I'm a big fan of digging until you get to the boring stuff, because that's usually where the real answer lies!

     
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    greenleafmountain    7.31.2010  

    Thanks Mrs. DG, that was really helpful!  I wish the news would do more explaining like this (on any issue!).  I guess I'm a day or two behind with my information. I get so frustrated reading anything about the whole situation...

     

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