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I just found out my friend is cheating on her husband, they have been together for a few years and she has cheated on him numerous times before, just this time around they are married and they have a child.
Knowing is eating me up inside because her husband is an amazing man that I have a lot of respect for. She treats him like he cant do anything right and like he is the worst husband in the world, but the truth is that he isnt, she finds fault in him because she is being treated like a queen by her jerk ex. He always seems so miserable and he used to be quite a happy guy. She controls his every moved, doesnt allow him to live his life how he wants to and if he even talks to a girl she doesnt know she goes ballistic.
She always cheats with the same person, it is one of her exes that she just cant seem to stay away from.
I dont understand why she is still with her husband, why she pretends their lives are so perfect, why they are going to therapy to try and fix things when the real problem is that she is still in love with her ex and sleeping with him. i dont understand how someone can risk their childs happiness for what, an hour or two every week with a giant douche bag.
If you knew would you tell, i personally dont think it is my place, but I cant sit around and watch him suffer for much longer.
@what2do: I would sit down with her. Let her know you know. Let her know that you strongly feel that what she is doing is wrong and is not fair to her husband and her child.
I think I'd tell her that you cannot continue to watch silently while she betrays her husband and child. Let her know that she needs to stop for good and come clean to her husband.
It might end your friendship, but she needs to know that her actions aren't as "secret" as she may think.
@KatNYC2011: Totally agree!
As a good friend you're obligated to NOT just stand by and watch her do things that you know are harmful to her life without some kind of interjection.
I've had friends that just stood by and watched me do dumb things and to be honest... we aren't friends anymore b/c I realized that a friend would never be okay with watching me hurt myself or others. =/
Definitely not an easy place to be, but maybe over lunch you could talk about it... some place public so that maybe she'll react better.
My best friend cheated on her husband twice during the first year of marriage. She came to me, I didn't judge but urged her to tell her hubby. She did, they are working through it.
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Last week she cheated again! Said it's his fault because he's a teacher, soccer coach, master's at night, studying late and not "attending to her needs." Absolutely speechless. Like literally. Then she started talking divorce. She's off her anti-depressants/anti-anxiety because she just HAS to get pregnant before my wedding (rolls eyes) even though doctor didn't think good idea to go off cold turkey so fast. Well, when I suggested she seek help because I know she loves her husband but something is clearly wrong- SHE FLIPPED.
Deleted and blocked me on facebook- said I'm psycho, said she's no longer in my wedding (mind you we are like 30 days out), and where to return her dress and shoes because she didn't want to be in my wedding anyways.
One word to describe how I'm feeling: Hurt.
I told her fine, if she wants to keep sabotaging every relationship with those of us who love her fine. I'm not going to keep begging her to be my friend/in the wedding. Haven't talked to her since and this was 2 days ago.
Sorry to threadjack. This is the first time I'm talking about what happened. My advice to you- even if you don't judge be prepared. She may be feeling like she's the victim for breaking her vows and end your friendship.
Edit: She too has been cheating with same law school friend. He sends her pics of his _____ and she always said it was just in fun. When I asked would she want one of those cute young teachers sending her husband pics she went off. She also cheated once with a judge.
@what2do: Wow, the first thing that popped in my mind is, why are you such good friends with this person?! I definitely would not tell the husband. You're right, it's not your place, but I know it's probably really hard for you to not say anything since you say he's a great guy. I don't know the history between you and your friend, but I would distance myself from this girl if possible.
@lawgirl12: The friendship may end, but is someone who would throw away their marriage like that someone you really want to be close friends with in the first place?
I'm sorry you are hurting. It sounds like she may have other issues going on as well, but that still doesn't excuse her cheating on her husband just because he's busy a lot.
Ugh. What a terrible situation to be in. If she's really a good friend, you should sit down with her and try to give her a dose of reality. If she listens, awesome. If not, you may need to make a choice about whether you can continue to have her in your life. My heart breaks for her husband and child.
@lawgirl12: Definitely not an easy place & I think your experience sheds light on the possible out comes. Glad you did the loving thing with your friend though. Hopefully she'll see that & things can be reconciled! Like @KatNYC2011 said, if she can't accept your love & guidance & she wants to have such a lack of character, then maybe it's better to not be friends with her. =/ Sure that's alot easier said than done, but I know for me I'd want friends like you in my life that wouldn't just let me destroy myself.
OP: It is definitely a possibility that your friend will reject your guidance and concern BUT kinda like a story I once heard about white water rafting and rope throwers.... Even though rope throwing can be messy & even miss the target sometimes, like hit the rafter in the head, you STILL throw the rope when you see someone spinning out of control... you wouldn't just stand there b/c it may not go perfect. ;)
@MrsNeutrino: Well put!
If your friend wishes to confide in you and you are willing to listen, then do so.
If you find her behavior so disturbing, then tell her so and expect to lose the friendship. So be it.
It's HER marriage, not yours. Your opinion is just that, your opinion.
You know...I know it is not your place "per se"...but I would absolutely meet with her to discuss her actions and how it is affecting her family, most importantly her CHILD. It is an abomination that she is cheating on a wonderful man with a jerk ex. Clearly, she was not ready for the vows she recited on her wedding day. But, thats neither here nor there.
I would be tempted to tell him...BUT then again, you do NOT want to get in the middle of this when it blows up. She will be sorry when she is found out, and she loses a good man/the father of her child. She will regret all of this once all she has left is that jerk ex, who won't want anything more from her than the occasional booty call.
This is such a difficult situation and while I really want to tell you, "let the husband know! He deserves to know!", I also realize that it would put you in a seriously awful position.
She isnt the type of person you can just sit down and discuss it with. I've done it before with the cheating topic, with the her being a bit of a shoddy friend topic (another long story, she is actually a bridesmaid and our wedding isnt in Dec its a lot sooner, i just couldnt post under my regular profile, but ever since i got engaged she has pretty much ditched me unless its a group gathering), with the why on earth are you buying stuff on credit when you have so much debt already topic etc, etc etc - if you disagree with her or question her about anything no matter how diplomatically you try to do it she goes nuts. There are so many things I have confronted her about - she ALWAYS turns it around, gets really mean and tries to make me look like the bad guy. She said to me the other day out of all her friends im the only one that feels the need to be honest with her - like it's a bad thing. I think it says a lot about me that I am trying to help her and guide her to do the right thing by being honest - she cant see it though.
I feel like she has lost all sense of reality when we argue. For example, It came out just after they got married a few years ago that she cheated, but she denied, denied, denied it and now when she talks about it and the person that actually had the balls to tell her husband its like she's convinced herself that that person was lying and just out to get her - she's all "i cant believe that biyotch tried to ruin my family she deserves all the bad things that happen to her"
I just dont know what to do anymore, she has become this very self absorbed person, every single topic no matter how big or small her audience is all me, me, me - she even monopolised my hen party with stories of her marital problems (all of them lies when you know the real story). How can you make your partner go for therapy when he isnt even the issue, how can you make him try so hard and point out all these things he needs to work on (which he is) when it doesnt actually matter in the long run cos you're still intimate with your ex and you wouldnt even have problems if not for your disgusting behaviour.
I want to take her by the shoulders, shake her and say wtf is your problem. You have an incredible child, a loving husband that would do anything for you why are you screwing it up. You have a fantastic group of friends that are getting sick of you going on and on about yourself and not giving them a chance to get a word in, you have me, your best friend who you have treated like a second rate citizen since i got engaged and make feel like shit every time i open my mouth and say something you dont like, but you just dont see that you're throwing it all away.
How can she not care about any of it. I do sometimes wonder why we're still friends, why she is a bridesmaid, but im really worried about her - something has gone really wrong with her and she is going to lose everything but she just doesnt care. She cant see past what she wants and needs and what makes her happy but isnt thinking about anyone else.
And dont get me started on the drama, every week there is something causing some sort of drama in her life, i have reached a point where i wonder if she is the person causing it so she can get attention.
Argh, this sound so so so mean. I am not mean. I am just furious and hurt and sick of knowing everything i know and trying to get her to see what is best for her then just getting a kick in the face.
One of the best moments of my life came when my sister told me this in regards to me staying with my sons dad who was verbally abusive (a bit different but still relevant to the never ended griping & circle):
"I love you, but I'm tired of hearing about it... you either need to stay and be happy or leave."
I must admit that things were kinda rocky with my sister for a period of time after that BUT it was exactly what I needed and was the start of me getting my head on straight.
Same goes for your friend.. she needs to decide what kind of life she wants and as much as you want good things for her, it's not your job to stand by and watch her be stupid & just nod & smile. Part of loving her is giving her that good shake and showing her you want the best for her.
All the things you just said I would tell her and if she wants to not see it, then I wouldn't continue being a close friend with her. Being a friend is a 2 way street and if she can't reciprocate that then that's her loss... and you would have done everything you can.
I would do nothing my loyalty lies with my friend. However given what you say about your friend and how such a terrible wife she is- why is she your friend? To me it's all about where loyalty lies. If she's my friend and she's doing wrong, she's still my friend first. Now if I decided to rat her out, then I consider us no longer friends and my loyalty now lies with the husband. That's the way I see it.
@MrsNeutrino: Im not going to tell her husband, i cant. I cannot be the person that tears the family apart. BUT, i am tired of watching her belittle him, i am tired of her breaking him completely, i am tired of watching him try try try and try and not get anywhere with her. I am tired of her accussing him of cheating when all she is doing is projecting her guilt and I am tired of listening to her complain about him.
There are two of us that know, the same two people she always tells when she cheats - the other person wont ever stand up to the cheating friend, she avoids conflict at all times and will keep her feelings to herself no matter how much she disagrees with what the other person is doing just to keep the peace, But, she wants to have an "intervention" type thing, i just think if we do that its going to end exceptionally badly and i dont know how my very sensitive avoid confrontation type friend will deal with it.
Also, a few of you have used the words "judge" in your responses to me - the reason she tells the two of us things is because we are the two that dont judge or turn our backs on her. If she were to tell anyone else she is friends with a fraction of what she tells us they would cut her out completely. I always listen, I always try to give good advise and I always try and push her to do the right thing - i have to go about it rather sneakily though because if im direct and blunt about it she goes off. I have just reached a point where i cant sit back and watch her screw up her lives and those of her family.
Personally, I don't make other peoples business mine. I would be so disgusted in your friends behavior that I would really distance myself from her. I know you don't want her husband to get hurt but I feel like nothing good comes out of these situations. She'll be mad at you and her husband won't believe you. I've tried to be the nice friend in the past but the person getting cheated on always took the cheaters side and I was the liar. They are both grown adults. Personally I also don't understand why people cheat and stay with their spouse/bf/gf. Chances are the husband knows and for whatever reason he puts up with it. It's hard to watch but I think this is something for them to figure out.
@vmec: I do agree about the loyalties thing & that's why I wouldn't go to the husband... but isn't part of being loyal caring enough to say something?.. to the friend?
Kinda makes me think about something my mom said about me to my husband when we were engaged...
"You could be wrong as the day is long and she'd stick up for you to me.... now she may say something to you when you leave, but to me... never!" lol
@what2do: it's a tough situation to be in. it's hard to keep quiet about something like this. i don't think it's your place to say anything to the husband but if you do decide to talk to her, i would tread lightly. put your beliefs and judgement on the back burner because if she senses your true feelings, she will not talk to you. stay impartial for her to open up to you. hopefully you can find out why she chooses to do this. but do you think she is really going to change?
that being said...you say he's a great guy and is just miserable with the way she treats him; then why convince her to stay with him? he would be happier without her and obviously she is not happy with him. why keep a pair like that together? i know, 'because of the child'. imo, that's bs. why put a child through that? it is much healthier for a child to have 2 separate happy homes than to have 1 miserable home.
@amnystik: for me personally, it's easy really. I would sit and listen it's very obvious she's done it before, done it many times and will continue to do it many MORE times... so I don't see why she'd change now if you, the friend have been here before with her, I just accept that this is how she is and what she does. I guess it's kinda like "suck it up" and if you the friend doesn't like it, then it's up to you the friend to walk away. In another situation I might talk to her, like some posters have suggested but honestly when it's time and time again- what makes you think it's going to stop this time... I simply wouldn't think she'd change so I'd let it be or decide I no longer want a toxic friend.
I agree about staying out of it. You really need to consider if you actually want a person like this as a friend. What she does says volumes about her lack of character or morality. Is that someone that you want to be exposed to?
I had a friend once who had to save everyone from themselves. She ended up a very lonely person.
There is a distinct difference between being a good person and doing the right thing and meddling. If you get involved, you are meddling.
I don't think someone who is so selfish and callous and heartless and willing to destroy another person's life is worthy of your friendship. Move on with your life.
I would tell the husband because I'm actually getting ready to go to a wedding where the groom was being cheated on repeatedly. He kept trying and trying to make it work, but she kept cheating on him and forgetting about their kid. He gave it one last chance because she begged and she cheated again. Her friend actually told the husband; they got a divorce and now, he's marrying someone who makes him happy. The husband deserves to know even though he probably already knows.
If I'm at all close with the husband and consider him a friend, I would probably tell him, or let my 'friend' know that she needs to tell him. No it's not technically my business, but I wouldn't be able to sit by while she bitches about this man (who seems very decent) and lies to him, cheats on him, and treats him like shit. It isn't fair to the husband, he deserves to know and decide how he wants to handle it.
How sad for this man and his child. This woman sounds incredibly selfish and uncaring, I wouldn't want to consider her my friend.
You have to decide who is your friend, and talk to that person about what you know, and how that is putting you in the middle. It sounds like you like this guy more than this girl. But maybe I am misreading. In any case, this is not a good position for your girlfriend to put you in, as you shouldn't have to keep anyone else's secrets. I would say however, that if you decide that you need to tell the guy, I would give the girl a heads up (a short one, like 24hours) because you are saying that she is your friend first. What a shitty position to be in, I am sorry :( Remember, you are only EVER responsible for your actions, and for your reactions. Never for anyone elses'. Whatever you decide to do or not do, you are the one who will have to live with it for the rest of your life.
*I realize that sounds so morbid... not supposed to. These are the things I remind my self of when I find it hard to do the right thing. Also, I am not saying whether you should say anything to the guy or not, I am just saying that whatever you deem to be "the right thing to do", it sounds like it will be ahard thing to do either way**
@what2do: No, you can't tell him. I would have a sit down with my friend and ask her if she has lost her mind? If the behavior continues I would distance myself from her. She is not being ethical. Everybody makes mistakes but its not right to treat her husband this way over and over again.
It seems like your friend is like my SIL, who was the other woman for a year+ affair. To this day, 7 years later and she's about to marry the guy who's marriage she destroyed, she will say the ex wife was the one who was wrong in the situation. That her FI and the wife deserved to be cheated on and they should thank her because they're better off now. She will say that she did nothing wrong. What I'm saying is, it sounds like your friend lives in a delusional world with my SIL where she is always right and others are just out to get her. Sorry, there's no reasoning with the crazies. Just be there for your friend when he finds out about the affair.
I have a friend who years ago admitted she was having an affair. So I've been in this position.
You do nothing. If you love your friend and all her faults you give her honest adivce if she asks, but you support her no differently with this than anything else. You're her friend. If she wants to talk to you about the affair be honest with her about how you feel about it, but I would still support her regardless.
In my situation my friend knew I didn't think it was a good idea, but was there for her. She ended up getting pregnant. I was there for her. She asked me if she thouht I should leave her husband and told her what I thought. THey worked through the pregnancy issue, but in the end they couldn't make things work. I'm still her friend.
That's what friends do. They are there for each other through the good and the bad. We all make bad choices, some worse than others...but I wouldn't want a friend judging me or feeling it was her place to meddle my life so I pay that same respect to my friends.
I guess my stance is if you tell me secrets, I'll keep them - but if they are about things that hurt you or those around you (cheating, alcoholism, substance abuse, stealing money - things like that), that is unfair to ask me to keep that quiet and I will do what I can to help you change that destructive behavior.
ETA: I do hope that this is how my friends would treat me as well, I would be heartbroken if I found out one of them knew my husband were cheating on me, and never said anything. Same thing if I were engaging in some type of destructive behavior - I may not appreciate it at the time, but in the long run, I know I would be humbled that they loved and cared for me enough to try to help me.
Nope, I wouldn't tell. I would tell my friend my opinion on her behavior, but then I would drop it. Her life, not mine.
@hisgoosiegirl: agree 100%... the "friends" I had when I was being really stupid who didn't tell me anything aren't my friends anymore.
I'm the same kind of friend I expect my friends to be... and am so thankful for them!
I would distance myself from the situation and stay out of it. If she hasn't reached out to you for advice, I would let it go.
@MrsProf, im not meddling, I have never meddled, i have always listened, non judgementally, kept my true feelings hidden under sugar coated supportiveness, but I just dont think I can do it anymore. I dont think i want someone like her in my life and I believe her husband deserves better, but again, its not my place to tell him. We are however going to tell her that we think she is being selfdestructive, what she does with the information is her perogative.
@what2do: Do other friends in your circle know this about her actions as well? If they do then maybe an "intervention".. if they don't then I'd definitley keep it one on one, but if they do then maybe that would be more effective to help her see what she's doing...
There are only two of us that know, others might guess, but its not something I have ever spoken about to anyone else in the group. I can tell you without a doubt in my mind that if she were to tell anyone else they would turn their backs on her. So it would be two of us having an 'intervention'. She seems to respect therapists so we would include one.
@what2do: With her history, that may be a good idea! If it's just one of you that sees the "problem" then it's easy for her to turn it, but when there's more than one then she's, in a way, forced to see it.
I understand wanting to not just leave her out there to destroy herself and think you're an awesome friend for going out into the muck time & time again to help her see "it"! There aren't many friends out there like you anymore... I commend you for sure and would be glad to have your kind of character in my circle of friends!
I would do nothing. It's none of my business. I would probably end up keeping a little bit of distance from her if I didn't agree with her actions. I would most likely explain my disdain for her actions but I wouldn't "DO" anything...
@amnystik, thank you so much for what you just wrote, it is a huge compliment.
I really do want what is best for her, thank you for seeing that.
@vmec: I agree with the loyalties.
@what2do: My personal belief is no one knows the ins and outs of someone else's relationship- ever. You are not married to the man, you don't live with him, you don't share his bed. Yes, you can feel for him as a human being.. but to accuse her of doing all of these things to her husband is a little... intrusive. She says that you are the only friend that "tells her the truth" like its a bad thing.. maybe she is trying to say you are the only one who tries to get in between/ are a little overbearing. She obviously trusts you and you don't seem like you like her very much. Yes, she may be ruining her family, her life, her husband.. but they are all part of her life. If you don't like the drama she brings into your life... get her out of it.
@what2do: I agree that dumping toxic friends is good for you. I've dumped eating disorder friends becasue this particular friend was intentionally trying to fatten me up so she looked better than me. I already have confidence problems at times- I do not need a friend who makes me feel worse/ question her morality. Despite me liking her, it wasn't enough- she's been "dumped" becasue I didn't think she was a positive influence in my life. Same goes here- she seems draining and has questionable ethics, if you want out- get out.
I don't think she is being fair to anyone. Her DH, her family, you... I would tell her straight up how you feel. Would be able to cover for her? If not, tell her.
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