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Ms. is used (usually) for adult women who are divorced or did not take their husband's name.
ETA: this is what you get when you fail to proofread.
Miss is for unmarried women, Ms is for married women who don't take their husband's name or divorced women.
I read etiquette rules about this, some said a woman over 18, some said over 21, and some even said over 25. I went with post-college as my cut-off, figuring that anyone independent and working was an adult, and anyone still in school was "miss." I didn't get any compliants.
I thought even if you didn't take your SO's last name you were still a Mrs. good to know! I would have been saying the wrong thing, I will be a Ms. =D
I think it's regional.
When I was a teacher in the province of BC, I was always called Ms.B. I think even the married teachers went by Ms.
Then when I moved to Ontario, the norm was Miss. B
But for addressing invites--no idea. Before I was married I wouldn't have minded either way if someone addressed it as Miss or Ms. I think it's a bit of a feminist thing.....a none-of-your-business thing.
I personally hate the Ms., I much prefer Miss. However, I have been divorced so I don't get much of a choice. But if I wasn't then I would prefer to be called Miss.
when they have some sort of wedding ceremony. It doesn't matter if they don't live apart.
My understanding is that Ms. is the equivalent to Mr. In that it can be used for any woman and does not indicate marital status.
@cvbee: I agree on the regionalities of it - in Southern Ontario, I wouldn't have called a teacher anything BUT "Ms." regardless of their age or marital status.
Any woman outside of college, over 25 will be addressed as "Ms" and the younger ones are clear cut (my neices are 14 and 10), "Miss".
@med700: Interesting, I thought it was a west coast (Ms.) vs ontario (Miss) thing, but it must be a big city thing (Vancouver) vs. a smaller community thing (Parry Sound).
According to the etiquette books I read, any woman over 18 is a Ms., girls are addressed as Miss.
I know it changes by region though. I would address as Ms.
At the daycare I used to work at they called everyone Miss- 'first name' everyone every age tehe
Speaking of regional differences, when I was a teacher in New York City, 95% of the female teachers went by Ms., regardless of marital status. Once in a while someone would prefer Miss or Mrs., but it was the exception.
I'm addressing any unmarried (or divorced, obviously) women 18 and over as Ms.
@ginnyc: When I was in school, we called our teachers "Miz", but wrote whatever their marital status was if the occasion called for it. For example, I might have said "Miz Brown" and "Miz green" but I wrote "Mrs. Brown" and "Miss Green"
Personally, I find giving someone a different title of respect b/c they are married to be archaic and offensive. Ms., if you need to use titles at all, is fair for all grown up women. Seriously, do all of the single women want their invite to your wedding to being with a commentary on their own marital status? Even when I was happily unmarried and in a LTR, I HATED going to weddings because of the degree of eyebrow raising that unmarried women over a certain age have to endure.
I think I'm even more sensitive to this because even though certain family members always found it somehow correct to remember that I was unmarried when writing Miss on my mail, they never seemed to recall that I had earned my doctorate.
On the other hand some older women might be bugged by Ms. because they are proud of Mrs.
Since there was no one on our guest list w/ whom I was not on a first-name basis, I did not use titles of any sort. Problem solved.
What good is the title if it's actually demonstrating the opposite of respect and consideration?
Oh and I work at a school and refer to married female teachers as Mrs. (bc that is what they go by) and single female teachers as Ms. Just seems more "grown-up" to me than Miss.
@TheMrs2013: My local school etiquette is that kids (and coworkers) have no right to know about the home and love lives of their teachers unless their teachers choose to share it. Ms. for all.
@Melini: I also did not use tiles for my invitations. For my much older relatives, I used the titles 'Grandma' or 'Great Aunt'.
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Hello!
I'm putting together my shower invite list for the hostess of my shower and I am inviting a lot of women who are not married but have professional careers, live on their own, or are in their mid-to late twenties. Addressing them as "Miss" seems a bit innapropriate.
When does a Miss become a Ms.?